bill cooper
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Do you ever make any posts that are not total nonsense
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the "real" landrace debate
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greenmatter
this is another one of those debates that will never have a concrete answer.
i really would like to know where the first pot plant grew so i could go build a shrine while gathering seed
..... but it probably won't happen
maybe the first plants started on Pangea
...... at least then everybody could be right at once
absolute proof/truth is a myth. not that there is anything wrong with seeking it
i really would like to know where the first pot plant grew so i could go build a shrine while gathering seed
..... but it probably won't happenmaybe the first plants started on Pangea
...... at least then everybody could be right at onceabsolute proof/truth is a myth. not that there is anything wrong with seeking it
This is a good thread to plug the Clarke/Merlin effort that is due for release soon. 
http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520270480
http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520270480
Highly unlikely.
Crossing from Siberia over into Alaska over a very long period of time, by people who were barely more than cavemen and had NO knowledge of agriculture is a scenario that requires a large dose of sci-fi to make the remotest sense.
You do realize that the "land bridge" was in fact a huge glacial frozen wasteland, don't you?
They were a lot more than cave men. Takes some skill to survive up there. You think Natives in America just learned to farm? Not all natives were hunter gathers. Natives around here farmed, built houses, knew medicine, all kinds of stuff.
It may be likely that people brought knowledge and culture with them. They surely had to know about the stars and navigation. A lot was built in the new world~
Hempsmoke
Active member
Thats what ruderalis likes best xD
btw i reccomend reading my first post in this topic
peace
OverEagerBeaver
Member
Gert Lush,
"You do realize that the "land bridge" was in fact a huge glacial frozen wasteland, don't you?"
Actually the land bridge was grasslands alot like the prairie states today. The first people across the land bridge were hunter/gatherers following the migration of large herbivores, Mammoths
Easy7,
"You think Natives in America just learned to farm?" Yes, or more exactly, they taught themselves over thousands of yrs.
It may be likely that people brought knowledge and culture with them.
They almost certainly did, but they were still hunters and gatherers, they used atlatl's, precursors to the bow and arrow and cutting edge tech at the time.
The first human farmers anywhere in the world were still thousands yrs away at the time of the crossing of the land bridge
"You do realize that the "land bridge" was in fact a huge glacial frozen wasteland, don't you?"
Actually the land bridge was grasslands alot like the prairie states today. The first people across the land bridge were hunter/gatherers following the migration of large herbivores, Mammoths
Easy7,
"You think Natives in America just learned to farm?" Yes, or more exactly, they taught themselves over thousands of yrs.
It may be likely that people brought knowledge and culture with them.
They almost certainly did, but they were still hunters and gatherers, they used atlatl's, precursors to the bow and arrow and cutting edge tech at the time.
The first human farmers anywhere in the world were still thousands yrs away at the time of the crossing of the land bridge
OverEagerBeaver
Member
Gert,
The term Beringia was first coined by the Swedish botanist Eric Hultén in 1937.[1] During the ice ages, Beringia, like most of Siberia and all of Manchuria, was not glaciated because snowfall was extremely light.[2] It was a grassland steppe, including the land bridge, that stretched for several hundred miles into the continents on either side.
Prairies (UK /ˈprɛər.i/ or US /ˈprɛr.i/) are ecosystems considered part of the temperate grasslands, savannas, and shrublands biome by ecologists, based on similar temperate climates, moderate rainfall, and a composition of grasses, herbs, and shrubs, rather than trees, as the dominant vegetation type. Temperate grassland regions include the Pampas of Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay as well as the steppes of Eurasia. Lands typically referred to as "prairie" tend to be in North America.
clear enough for you???
The term Beringia was first coined by the Swedish botanist Eric Hultén in 1937.[1] During the ice ages, Beringia, like most of Siberia and all of Manchuria, was not glaciated because snowfall was extremely light.[2] It was a grassland steppe, including the land bridge, that stretched for several hundred miles into the continents on either side.
Prairies (UK /ˈprɛər.i/ or US /ˈprɛr.i/) are ecosystems considered part of the temperate grasslands, savannas, and shrublands biome by ecologists, based on similar temperate climates, moderate rainfall, and a composition of grasses, herbs, and shrubs, rather than trees, as the dominant vegetation type. Temperate grassland regions include the Pampas of Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay as well as the steppes of Eurasia. Lands typically referred to as "prairie" tend to be in North America.
clear enough for you???
EagerBeaver
I think you are too optimistic in imagining that the land bridge was anything like a temperate American prairie. You are looking at best at a miniscule layer of top soil on top of solid glacial pack ice, probably barely able to support a few ultra-hardy grasses.
Perhaps something like the Siberian Taiga would be more like it, and I think I'm being over-generous here. IOW, passable in the summer, pretty damn awful in the winter. But perhaps you know otherwise.
In any case the idea of the native hunter gatherers cultivating cannabis there is - at best - laughable.
I think you are too optimistic in imagining that the land bridge was anything like a temperate American prairie. You are looking at best at a miniscule layer of top soil on top of solid glacial pack ice, probably barely able to support a few ultra-hardy grasses.
Perhaps something like the Siberian Taiga would be more like it, and I think I'm being over-generous here. IOW, passable in the summer, pretty damn awful in the winter. But perhaps you know otherwise.
In any case the idea of the native hunter gatherers cultivating cannabis there is - at best - laughable.
OverEagerBeaver
Member
Agreed
oooops. sorry dude.
its been like 10 years at least since i watched when they dug her up.
my bad, i will edit my post
med-man
I posted the idea with the first people in US brought seeds with them, and remember theres also some studies saying that people didn´t used the passage to inter US, they could have been using boats. Until now we don´t know, and as long there isen´t a lot of genetics research on the our holy plant, then there isen´t much to do then to wonder. Mind you, that science haven´t found out yet, and please we are adults so talk nice each other, better known as respect. btw. thanks Tom that book could put some things in perspective
Well if you know about the stuff the Natives did about spreding the herbs they liked, then it could be the way they did it. Sometimes when these Navtives went out for hunt and gathering they would drop off some of the seeds, so if the return to the spot years after their herbs would have spread, if however the ideal circumstances was in place. --> I <-- Think this is how they maybe would do with their cannabis, if again the plant was not introduced.
Another thing people often forget, is that the Vikings discovered the north america, and there by the continent no Columbus, that´s I failure they learn people in school, a big one i think, hehe I´am from Scandinavia so it´s not because i want my people to get the credit, But the vinkings could also have trade with the natives, and seeds too.
bill cooper
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Even if the Vikings brought seeds with them there would still be no cannabis in the Americas before the Europeans were there
bill cooper
Member
Can you post the evidence that leads you to believe this
you guys may not belive me lol
but i was hoping someone like chimera or the sort would be or have been doing genetic profiling on "landrace" plants yto know there exact origin, and trace their pathways, this would be awesome imvho,
med-man
but i was hoping someone like chimera or the sort would be or have been doing genetic profiling on "landrace" plants yto know there exact origin, and trace their pathways, this would be awesome imvho,
med-man
