I second Terpen's post, all tropical NLD have the ability to regrow after flowering if conditions are good(temp,food an water), the simply reveg with no help if you let enough material...still i doubt any of them could be considered perennial,they'don't go through a "dormant" phase where aerial vegetation dies till next season...
The Original Zamal is a Perennial?
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@ idiit:
If you still don't know it what the french call a foot is simply the plant, not the roots...and while the real Zamal might be a mix of african, asian and indian NLD nowadays it get more and more polluted by indica genes...and throughout history the Réunionais behaved like the morrocans,they do not give a shit about genetics getting whatever please them to grow along their beloved Zamal...and as cannabis is still regarded as a dangerous drug by the french governement, nothing is done to try to preserve it unlike most of the faunea of the island.
If you still don't know it what the french call a foot is simply the plant, not the roots...and while the real Zamal might be a mix of african, asian and indian NLD nowadays it get more and more polluted by indica genes...and throughout history the Réunionais behaved like the morrocans,they do not give a shit about genetics getting whatever please them to grow along their beloved Zamal...and as cannabis is still regarded as a dangerous drug by the french governement, nothing is done to try to preserve it unlike most of the faunea of the island.
S
scai
So it might be that we are in position to preserve these lovely plants, by making new seeds after few years storing all over again and again.
And I'm happy to have three lines from Reunion
What ever they are...still those Mauritius and Mango Zamals have quite the same type grow as Zamaldelica...
And I'm happy to have three lines from Reunion
What ever they are...still those Mauritius and Mango Zamals have quite the same type grow as Zamaldelica...
google translated from link below:
http://www.softsecrets.nl/fr/abc/10002664-divles-hybrides-made-in-974divdivdiv
^ google translated from link below:
http://www.softsecrets.nl/fr/abc/10007522-culture-de-landraces-et-dhybrides-sur-lile-de-la-reunion
Hello idiit
Hello idiit
This is my post.Been away for a long time because of life, did lose my way to my old account...find it just few hours ago.Maybe you remember me?
Just to tell you i wish there were a perennial cannabis strain.But so far nope is here.
As you're no sativa noobs you know how tall those plants can get ,now imagine if they were perennial people should see 50 feet monster after a couple of years and so far none have surfaced yet...imagine the headlines in french news: " new giant genetically modified marijuana landed at la réunion" (you know prohibitionnist bullshit aka reefer madness)
New Caledonia is THE place to look for a real "french" sativa true to his roots( ask the Kanaks but be careful).There should be a member from the island at IC ( at least there was)
Still,if you wants zamal,look for Mafaté stuff,and alike place (up in the hills means less genetic pollution and more knowledgeable people)
Hello idiit
This is my post.Been away for a long time because of life, did lose my way to my old account...find it just few hours ago.Maybe you remember me?
Just to tell you i wish there were a perennial cannabis strain.But so far nope is here.
As you're no sativa noobs you know how tall those plants can get ,now imagine if they were perennial people should see 50 feet monster after a couple of years and so far none have surfaced yet...imagine the headlines in french news: " new giant genetically modified marijuana landed at la réunion" (you know prohibitionnist bullshit aka reefer madness)
New Caledonia is THE place to look for a real "french" sativa true to his roots( ask the Kanaks but be careful).There should be a member from the island at IC ( at least there was)
Still,if you wants zamal,look for Mafaté stuff,and alike place (up in the hills means less genetic pollution and more knowledgeable people)
In the tropics the reveging is not exclusive to sativas ,
most hybrids will do it also , and they will produce 2 harvests if planted at the right time ...
most hybrids will do it also , and they will produce 2 harvests if planted at the right time ...
I know I'm late to the discussion....but figured I'd post the reason I purchased the last packs of Mango Zamal from Mandala a few years ago...
Outdoor
This strain should be cultivated, or at least flowered, outdoors where it can show its full potential. Multiple harvests are possible and the plants can easily be reverted back to vegetative growth. Mango Zamal may show remarkable longevity (the 'immortality gene' as we like to call it) and become a long-term companion in your garden! The maritime climate on La Réunion is tropical and humid, very similar to the Hawaiian islands. During the summer the temperature averages 26°C/79°F on the coast, in winter it can drop to around 20°C/68°F or less. Our Mango Zamal is perfect for all hot, Mediterranean or tropical-humid regions, in addition to areas with a warm summer & autumn. It is recommended for equatorial countries with constant 12/12 daylight where other strains fail to grow properly. Mango Zamal is not especially sensitive to a cooler climate and can flower well as long as the temperatures sustain healthy plant metabolism (above 20°C/68°F during night recommended). Mold and pest resistance is high. Please consult the detailed climate map in our OUTDOOR GUIDE where you can best grow this strain.
^ The "Longevity Gene" as they call it was the deciding factor in my purchase. I was farely new to the cannabis scene and still have not popped these seeds yet....but my curiosity was piqued and I got them.
That said...I think what Donald Mallard has been saying is true. Full blown Tropical sativas can probably last 2 years if given the proper environment and let them flourish.
We'll see whenever I get to popping them. I'm also very interested in the "Lakshmi" side of the genetics which are supposedly south indian sativas.
Outdoor
This strain should be cultivated, or at least flowered, outdoors where it can show its full potential. Multiple harvests are possible and the plants can easily be reverted back to vegetative growth. Mango Zamal may show remarkable longevity (the 'immortality gene' as we like to call it) and become a long-term companion in your garden! The maritime climate on La Réunion is tropical and humid, very similar to the Hawaiian islands. During the summer the temperature averages 26°C/79°F on the coast, in winter it can drop to around 20°C/68°F or less. Our Mango Zamal is perfect for all hot, Mediterranean or tropical-humid regions, in addition to areas with a warm summer & autumn. It is recommended for equatorial countries with constant 12/12 daylight where other strains fail to grow properly. Mango Zamal is not especially sensitive to a cooler climate and can flower well as long as the temperatures sustain healthy plant metabolism (above 20°C/68°F during night recommended). Mold and pest resistance is high. Please consult the detailed climate map in our OUTDOOR GUIDE where you can best grow this strain.
^ The "Longevity Gene" as they call it was the deciding factor in my purchase. I was farely new to the cannabis scene and still have not popped these seeds yet....but my curiosity was piqued and I got them.
That said...I think what Donald Mallard has been saying is true. Full blown Tropical sativas can probably last 2 years if given the proper environment and let them flourish.
We'll see whenever I get to popping them. I'm also very interested in the "Lakshmi" side of the genetics which are supposedly south indian sativas.
S
scai
PPP, they are very nice plants credit to their maker. I've got some better pictures but I need to arrange my Gallery first.
These are truly plants that I'm very exited, first one in flowering room now, throwing pistils...
credit to their maker. I've got some better pictures but I need to arrange my Gallery first.These are truly plants that I'm very exited, first one in flowering room now, throwing pistils...
I wonder if they meant they had it planted say in 2013 , but harvested in 2014 , and consider it two seasons/ 2 years ...
i know it sounds a bit crazy , but you hear the craziest stories surrounding cannabis..
I also wonder if they understand their grow season properly ,, according to the quote from strainhunters , they plant in december, thats a bit late really , their longest day is december 22 ...
^ the collective breeders bourbon have been preserving and doing in line breeding ( reducing hermie traits for one) since 1962. they are not a rag tag bunch of ignorant farmers.
^ goggled this and only came up with the two soft secret's articles.
we need these ^ guys to come over here to ic mag and post.
the foot is regrown for as much as up to 5 years successively according to many posts. I posted quotes and links.
no other strain is known as "the immortal strain" except some zamal sub-strains.
everyone who posts on the longevity of the perennial capacity of some zamals notes their own amazement at it's ability to survive year after year; the same foot.
^ goggled this and only came up with the two soft secret's articles.
we need these ^ guys to come over here to ic mag and post.
the foot is regrown for as much as up to 5 years successively according to many posts. I posted quotes and links.
no other strain is known as "the immortal strain" except some zamal sub-strains.
everyone who posts on the longevity of the perennial capacity of some zamals notes their own amazement at it's ability to survive year after year; the same foot.
Hi Don. How are you? I am very happy to read you again! 
Hi everybody too.
I have grown a Mandala Mango Zamal. Mandala tells the description as if the plant were a pure Zamal, but it shows leaflets broader than it would be expected. So I don't know how or what could be that mysterious South India Lakshmi strain. Mine was an autoflowering male, impossible to revegetate. Somethig you can find, as I have read, in many other Mafatese Mangue Carrote Zamal like some Gypsy Zamal, whom most Zamal hybrids are descendants.
Perhaps I am wrong, but I think the autoflowering trait is something opposite to a perennial (inmortal) plant.
I have seen other sativas (NLD) strains (grown in pots) to thrive until 3 or 4 years. Some of then could have brought 2 harvests. But often when you harvest the plant got too damaged to recover.
A few months ago died a Thai clone I had that was alive, in a pot, since December 2013. It was always outdoor. The roots were too old and damaged and it had never flowered seriously.
I think if a tropical equatorial strain is grown in a temperate latitude with some different photoperiod along the year but where the cold weather doesn't kill the plants, you can keep easily it alive 3 or 4 years. But it seems very dificult you can harvest that plants each year, because they live so long due they don't flower properly.
Something to keep in mind about weed longevity are pests and molds.
The Zamal in this pic seems seriously attacked by spider mites.
However, our friend Manivelle wrote this:
If you find a creeping phenotyte in the Zamal or other long flowering strain, it could be possible for a plant to thrive many years, growing themselves new shoots and new roots. Something like that happened to 20'Thai, but his plant was not a creeper one. He helped the plant, layering the new shoots, as he explains.
He wrote this too, about a creeping strain:
I don't know if it is only old lore. But I think if you want to grow something like a perennial strain, you must search among creeper strains, not among autoflowering ones. Sadly, I am sure it is impossible to find this trait among the commercial strains genepool. Only in few strange endangered landraces. And you must forget to harvest something like that indoors or outside the tropics.
When I say autoflowering, I say the autoflowering trait as found in some Zamal, not ruderalis hybrids
I think I have seen creeping plants only one time, but as they were in pots they cannot spread. And they only try to creep when they revegetated the first time. Before and later that time they were upright common plants. However they were the ones I have said before they thrived 3 or 4 years.
Greetings.
Hi everybody too.
I have grown a Mandala Mango Zamal. Mandala tells the description as if the plant were a pure Zamal, but it shows leaflets broader than it would be expected. So I don't know how or what could be that mysterious South India Lakshmi strain. Mine was an autoflowering male, impossible to revegetate. Somethig you can find, as I have read, in many other Mafatese Mangue Carrote Zamal like some Gypsy Zamal, whom most Zamal hybrids are descendants.
Perhaps I am wrong, but I think the autoflowering trait is something opposite to a perennial (inmortal) plant.
I have seen other sativas (NLD) strains (grown in pots) to thrive until 3 or 4 years. Some of then could have brought 2 harvests. But often when you harvest the plant got too damaged to recover.
A few months ago died a Thai clone I had that was alive, in a pot, since December 2013. It was always outdoor. The roots were too old and damaged and it had never flowered seriously.
I think if a tropical equatorial strain is grown in a temperate latitude with some different photoperiod along the year but where the cold weather doesn't kill the plants, you can keep easily it alive 3 or 4 years. But it seems very dificult you can harvest that plants each year, because they live so long due they don't flower properly.
Something to keep in mind about weed longevity are pests and molds.
The Zamal in this pic seems seriously attacked by spider mites.
However, our friend Manivelle wrote this:
If you find a creeping phenotyte in the Zamal or other long flowering strain, it could be possible for a plant to thrive many years, growing themselves new shoots and new roots. Something like that happened to 20'Thai, but his plant was not a creeper one. He helped the plant, layering the new shoots, as he explains.
The photo “Grown in 1981... 1 plant” was uploaded by 20'Thai into the category “Outdoor” in March 2009.
Rejuvinated for 4 successive years, every year the new shoots I would sow into the ground every 10odd nodes to root up. 1 Main stem and many minor stems growing out of the ground make up this massive plant that spanned over 25foot wide as you see the picture. Yielded over 10kilos of dried clean bud in the 3rd year. Less in its 4th and final year of life.
He wrote this too, about a creeping strain:
I don't know if it is only old lore. But I think if you want to grow something like a perennial strain, you must search among creeper strains, not among autoflowering ones. Sadly, I am sure it is impossible to find this trait among the commercial strains genepool. Only in few strange endangered landraces. And you must forget to harvest something like that indoors or outside the tropics.
When I say autoflowering, I say the autoflowering trait as found in some Zamal, not ruderalis hybrids
I think I have seen creeping plants only one time, but as they were in pots they cannot spread. And they only try to creep when they revegetated the first time. Before and later that time they were upright common plants. However they were the ones I have said before they thrived 3 or 4 years.
Greetings.
If one consider zamal as a perennial then he should also consider every tropical sativa the same way(just like undeterminate tomatoes are perennial).I do not but i'm not denying you can have a couple of harvest from the same plant.Now my question is what happen if you don't harvest,non even once?Will it grow alone for years?
http://www.cannabis.info/fr/abc/10007500-culture-de-landraces-et-dhybrides-sur-lile-de-la-reunion
Here is more of them for you idiit.
And you're right, let them come here...
http://www.cannabis.info/fr/abc/10007500-culture-de-landraces-et-dhybrides-sur-lile-de-la-reunion
Here is more of them for you idiit.
I was talking about the cannaweed quote.Should have pointed it out
And you're right, let them come here...
Hi Don. How are you? I am very happy to read you again!
Hi everybody too.
I have grown a Mandala Mango Zamal. Mandala tells the description as if the plant were a pure Zamal, but it shows leaflets broader than it would be expected. So I don't know how or what could be that mysterious South India Lakshmi strain. Mine was an autoflowering male, impossible to revegetate. Somethig you can find, as I have read, in many other Mafatese Mangue Carrote Zamal like some Gypsy Zamal, whom most Zamal hybrids are descendants.
Perhaps I am wrong, but I think the autoflowering trait is something opposite to a perennial (inmortal) plant.
I have seen other sativas (NLD) strains (grown in pots) to thrive until 3 or 4 years. Some of then could have brought 2 harvests. But often when you harvest the plant got too damaged to recover.
A few months ago died a Thai clone I had that was alive, in a pot, since December 2013. It was always outdoor. The roots were too old and damaged and it had never flowered seriously.
I think if a tropical equatorial strain is grown in a temperate latitude with some different photoperiod along the year but where the cold weather doesn't kill the plants, you can keep easily it alive 3 or 4 years. But it seems very dificult you can harvest that plants each year, because they live so long due they don't flower properly.
Something to keep in mind about weed longevity are pests and molds.
The Zamal in this pic seems seriously attacked by spider mites.
View Image
However, our friend Manivelle wrote this:
If you find a creeping phenotyte in the Zamal or other long flowering strain, it could be possible for a plant to thrive many years, growing themselves new shoots and new roots. Something like that happened to 20'Thai, but his plant was not a creeper one. He helped the plant, layering the new shoots, as he explains.
He wrote this too, about a creeping strain:
I don't know if it is only old lore. But I think if you want to grow something like a perennial strain, you must search among creeper strains, not among autoflowering ones. Sadly, I am sure it is impossible to find this trait among the commercial strains genepool. Only in few strange endangered landraces. And you must forget to harvest something like that indoors or outside the tropics.
When I say autoflowering, I say the autoflowering trait as found in some Zamal, not ruderalis hybrids
I think I have seen creeping plants only one time, but as they were in pots they cannot spread. And they only try to creep when they revegetated the first time. Before and later that time they were upright common plants. However they were the ones I have said before they thrived 3 or 4 years.
Greetings.
Twenty foot thai also claimed on a private forum that you can grow weed in the dark,totally...
The pictures from him just look like a field of clones to me...and if his story was true why didn't take a pictures of those rooted branches/stem?
^ I could be read different ways on that post. I was hoping the breeders who have been preserving zamal in la reunion could come in here and post. I looked for a way to contact them and give them an invite. I suspect they would be warmly welcomed here.
there are growers without experience/knowledge that post some pretty crazy stuff. the zamal breeders collective could help set the record straight.
ahortator
^ excellent point. the autoflowering zamal is notorious for being difficult to keep as a cut. why would it stay alive year after year?
there are three different topics; perennial, perpetual harvest and "terpene extractor".
I have not been able to find a post I alluded to earlier re the autoflowering zamal being picked continuously. we are agreeing that some sativas in tropical locations can live more than one season and multiple harvests off one plant are doable.
the concept of "terpene extractor" hasn't gotten much traction on this or any other thread I know of. probably the most implausible of the three zamal legends.
Hi Idiit. Thank you very much
I remembered I have seen some Gerrit's Zamal plants pics with a beautiful and interesting growth pattern.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1355325&postcount=25
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=72292&page=2
It is his Zamal A. I think it is the same cut used in Zamaldelica. It is autoflowering, but it seems to me something creeping.
About perennial/inmortal plants, I am agree with this that Mustafunk said:
Dubi explained it is difficult to keep the clone alive.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=101916
Hi Pepé
You hit the nail on the head both
As 20'Thai explained, he clonned the shoots. The only difference with the common clonning method is that he didn't bother to cut the branches to clone them, and he put the clones directly in soil, not in pots or a propagator, as most people do.
Somethig like this:
I have too a copy of his PDF document about radionics
http://www.docdroid.net/144zn/radionic.pdf.html
http://docdro.id/144zn
Greetings.
I remembered I have seen some Gerrit's Zamal plants pics with a beautiful and interesting growth pattern.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1355325&postcount=25
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=72292&page=2
It is his Zamal A. I think it is the same cut used in Zamaldelica. It is autoflowering, but it seems to me something creeping.
About perennial/inmortal plants, I am agree with this that Mustafunk said:
Dubi explained it is difficult to keep the clone alive.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=101916
Hi Pepé
You hit the nail on the head both
As 20'Thai explained, he clonned the shoots. The only difference with the common clonning method is that he didn't bother to cut the branches to clone them, and he put the clones directly in soil, not in pots or a propagator, as most people do.
Somethig like this:
I have too a copy of his PDF document about radionics
http://www.docdroid.net/144zn/radionic.pdf.html
http://docdro.id/144zn
Greetings.
^ I could be read different ways on that post. I was hoping the breeders who have been preserving zamal in la reunion could come in here and post. I looked for a way to contact them and give them an invite. I suspect they would be warmly welcomed here.
I hope so too...and it would be appreciated
Sorry,i should stop posting in a hurry...and maybe try to improve my reading skills lol...now i get back to my cave
