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Old_Headbanger
Thanks FTI. Maybe that score from the monument ccompany wasnt so good afterall. Not knowing how much sulfur is in this rock dust leads me to believe that i probably shouldnt use it. What do you think? I always appreciate everyones input, thanks again.
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BlueJayWay
Mike - go ahead and turn that soil - take a good look and a good smell and once your happy with the consistency etc then just let it sit and keep it from getting dry - as suggested it is not abad idea to then place the soil in the container(s) you will grow in, that way bacteria and fungi have a chance to start creating their little homes and the needed networks and pathways....
....I don't always have the chance to do the last part, but if I can I certainly do - plant some clover seed in there while it sits too!
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BlueJayWay
OHB - I think the company is called agrowinn or maybe Agromin - they sell a rather expensive and very fine granite rock dust - I used it sparingly, as in no more than 1 cup per cuF, I would use it again at that rate but I would never pay that much again 
Strange though about the sulfur smells.....
Strange though about the sulfur smells.....
FunTimesIndeed
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I would keep looking if i couldn't identify the source rock. Sulfur isn't a bad thing, in fact it's why many use gypsum, but the odds of that stuff being what it was sold as are slim and i wouldn't be comfortable. If you guys have hot springs in the area, it could be legit.
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vonforne
I use USG Calcium Sulfate. With them you get the real deal. 8.00 for 50#s
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Durdy
I've found there is a night and day difference between my pots that get filled then have a ganja plant put into them and my pots that get filled, get a cover crop grown on em then the ganja plant.
With the cover cropped pots when the ganja plant is transplanted it really takes off, no transplant shock of any kind. I also find the texture of the soil to feel better.
With the cover cropped pots when the ganja plant is transplanted it really takes off, no transplant shock of any kind. I also find the texture of the soil to feel better.
invocation
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I ordered some seeds the other day to do some indoor cover crop and living mulch. I bet it will work great with my blumats. Look forward to posting some pics.
i wouldnt say you have glaring issues that might derail your grow
it seems like there used to just be 'pro-mix' and it was just idk peat/perlite and some wetting agent of some sort
now theres all different flavors and i dont keep track of which is what
anyway; i wouldnt have used epsom and i would have used something like the oyster/dolomite/gypsum mix for lime
and lately i m trying crab meal/gypsum
i havent really had trouble w/ dolomite and i have never just used lime but found i get better results using the oyster/dolo/gypsum mix than just dolomite
there seems to be a lot of math like you chose 6 cups for this and 4 cups for that and 2 cups for the other thing and not so sure what the logic is {maybe thats how much you had?}
mix it up let it sit for a month or 2 and try some clover in it
FunTimesIndeed
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what are you talking about?
Promix bx is fine. Premier has always offered a variety of peat products and aeration mixes. They also make their own glomus intaradices (mycorise or whatever the dick they call it), so they've got that going for 'em. The promix bails are already limed with "dolomitic and calcitic limestone". I would add a little crab for chitan only and some rock dust for micronutrients. That's it.
what are you talking about?
Promix bx is fine. Premier has always offered a variety of peat products and aeration mixes. They also make their own glomus intaradices (mycorise or whatever the dick they call it), so they've got that going for 'em. The promix bails are already limed with "dolomitic and calcitic limestone". I would add a little crab for chitan only and some rock dust for micronutrients. That's it.
FunTimesIndeed
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Ya buddy, I was but a tender 14 back then lol.
well; back then i read the rosenthal/franks book and it said 'get some promix' so i go to the local pet/seed store and they have a house mix they say is 'basically pro-mix'
see; then {@ least in my area} that was the product list; pro-mix ~pretty much all it said on the bag and pretty much all there was that wasnt like miracle grow potting soil or the house mix {basically pro-mix} and i bought the house mix and proceeded to put every amendment known to man in it and water it w/ pH 9 well water
it might not have been that bad but; those were the days when i had kcbrainz stuf and i gave it a little too much 'hard mode' {epic} so; i dont even really know how that kcbrains might turn out if i hadnt brutalized and savaged it back in the day {total n00b}
but i learned to mix my soil and got my veggies goin in it OK and hopefully in all these times i figured something out {no guarantees though}
but; i do like the idea i might help someone avoid the total waste of my tender efforts of old
see; then {@ least in my area} that was the product list; pro-mix ~pretty much all it said on the bag and pretty much all there was that wasnt like miracle grow potting soil or the house mix {basically pro-mix} and i bought the house mix and proceeded to put every amendment known to man in it and water it w/ pH 9 well water
it might not have been that bad but; those were the days when i had kcbrainz stuf and i gave it a little too much 'hard mode' {epic} so; i dont even really know how that kcbrains might turn out if i hadnt brutalized and savaged it back in the day {total n00b}
but i learned to mix my soil and got my veggies goin in it OK and hopefully in all these times i figured something out {no guarantees though}
but; i do like the idea i might help someone avoid the total waste of my tender efforts of old
Thanks for the help man i just hitting the ROLS scene for the first time take all the info you guys have....
I did read all 500+ pages of the ROLS thread and this thread, and BurOnes beginer organics thread, And every organic thread on marijuana passion and RIU(ICMAG blows these 2 outta the water) so im strapped in and ready to ride the roller coaster from here on out!
I definetly regret using the epsom salt after reading the ROLS thread but its in there and all i can do is hope its not to much.....
I like the tip on the lime mix and tried looking for both oyster shell or crab shell meals but they are not available without shipping in Maine as far as i can tell...
From here on out ill definetly be using at least a 50/50 of powdered dolo and gypsum...
yeah my rates were kinda strange but when its all in cups and broken down its REALLY similar to what you guys are all using minus neem cake(which is on the way) and i added a few things(greensand, bio-tone starter, and mychroziae...) nothing crazy...
My soy and alfalfa meals are at 1/2 cup per cuft
Bone char(meal) was at 3/4 cup per cuft
Greensand, Rock phosphate, Kelp, Bio tone at just under 1/2cup per ingredient per cuft
Lime (half pelted ag lime, half powdered dolo)was at just under 1/2 cup per cuft
Epsom @ 1/8 cup per cuft
Blend of Azommite powder(1 part) Azomite coarase pellets(2parts) Planters trace II(2parts) was at 1/2cup per cuft
I figured these rates out based on what i had learned on RIU, the labels of each item and MarijuanPassion.... Oddly its REALLY similar to you guys ROLS rates....
Mychroziae at suggested rate
Same with humic acid
And k-mag i legit had no idea so 1 cup per cuft seemed like a good idea hahaha
The reason alot of it was in lbs(actually all of it was but i knew the conversion from beforehand) is because i did such large batches so i converted everything into:
X weight per cup of that item
then figured the overall weight of the item at the amounts i needed and weighed out my ingredients for 4 batches then mixed em all in one day
Yeah we mix 4 150 gallon battches in one day "wanna fight about it"
I was 4...... HAHAHAHA
canna woop!
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hi IC, i didn't know where topost my question so here it is. I recently purchased a cake of shitake and put the cake in the cabinet with the plants. the directions state the shitake will begin to bloom in several days and I was planning on allowing this within the cabinet with the plants. any one anticipate a problem? such as molds or insects... I searched the forum and just came up with a bunch of threads about white fuzz on soil or using magic mushroom media to mix in the soil.
In any event, I am also dealing with brown rust on a couple nl bb's and AK's so I am stepping the IPM up from a regular neem oil application per week to include various fungicidal flowers and leaves, kelp meal and sprout tea, and what not.
In any event, I am also dealing with brown rust on a couple nl bb's and AK's so I am stepping the IPM up from a regular neem oil application per week to include various fungicidal flowers and leaves, kelp meal and sprout tea, and what not.
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BlueJayWay
Canna woop - I'm sure Von will chime in on the viability of shiitakes in our containers...I enjoy the sight of my volunteer mushrooms but couldn't speak on intentionally and successfully growing a specific strain of mushroom in the ganja pots.
MAW - welcome aboard dude - I'm sure you will do fine with your mix and the most important part of working with a new mix is being observant of the plants responses and learning to read them and over time knowing what best to topdress with or reamend with.
When I add new sphagnum peat I mix just the peat with 1/2 cup limestone, I think that's what's called ag lime, its a pure white powder and dirt cheap 96% calcium carbonate, and 1/2 cup gypsum, gotta get that sulfur in there, per 1cuF of peat. Dolomite lime is easy to overdo and tightens up the soil in such cases, the magnesium holds a tight bond to the calcium so its not available except in the very long term. I'll personally never use dolo lime again in indoor potting soil mixes....my plants seem to enjoy life just fine without it......I'm actually thinking of removing the limestone in the future...just keeping the gypsum for a lil extra calcium and the sulfur.....EWC and crab meal have plenty of of CaCO3....the living soil as a whole and its interactions with the plants regulate the PH.....
Topdress all those extra goodies when they come in, like the neem, a mainstay for me....did you mention rock dusts? Mineralize! Your soil and your plants will thank you....
Kelp
Crab
Neem
Rock dusts
Supremo (vermi)compost
That's all my pet soil sees these days on reamending, which rarely occurs as most containers remain no-till for a few to several cycles.....I messed around with adding all sorts of things, after the novelty of so much goodies wore off and not knowing which or any of the myriad of additions were causing a particular issue, or benefits more-so. Keep it simple, less is more, when in doubt, add less lol.
MAW - welcome aboard dude - I'm sure you will do fine with your mix and the most important part of working with a new mix is being observant of the plants responses and learning to read them and over time knowing what best to topdress with or reamend with.
When I add new sphagnum peat I mix just the peat with 1/2 cup limestone, I think that's what's called ag lime, its a pure white powder and dirt cheap 96% calcium carbonate, and 1/2 cup gypsum, gotta get that sulfur in there, per 1cuF of peat. Dolomite lime is easy to overdo and tightens up the soil in such cases, the magnesium holds a tight bond to the calcium so its not available except in the very long term. I'll personally never use dolo lime again in indoor potting soil mixes....my plants seem to enjoy life just fine without it......I'm actually thinking of removing the limestone in the future...just keeping the gypsum for a lil extra calcium and the sulfur.....EWC and crab meal have plenty of of CaCO3....the living soil as a whole and its interactions with the plants regulate the PH.....
Topdress all those extra goodies when they come in, like the neem, a mainstay for me....did you mention rock dusts? Mineralize! Your soil and your plants will thank you....
Kelp
Crab
Neem
Rock dusts
Supremo (vermi)compost
That's all my pet soil sees these days on reamending, which rarely occurs as most containers remain no-till for a few to several cycles.....I messed around with adding all sorts of things, after the novelty of so much goodies wore off and not knowing which or any of the myriad of additions were causing a particular issue, or benefits more-so. Keep it simple, less is more, when in doubt, add less lol.
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There's wisdom in them words, BJW.
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vonforne
I have always inoculated oak logs with shittake spawn. I have never put it in a cabinet before. Who told you to do that? If the spawn does not come in contact with the medium then it will be of no concern.
Might try it and see what happens it would be interesting to find out. It will not hurt the plant after all it is a weed and grows along side other plants in nature just fine along with various mushroom species.
Keep us posted on this one.
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Durdy
It seems only appropriate with all this mushroom talk that I found these in my 100 gallon outdoor pots.
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