The New & Improved [ROLS MEGATHREAD].

[420MAN78]

Hope this ok to ask here if it's the wrong place just let me know. I still can't believe i just found out how awesome this forum is a few months ago. IMO the best organic heads to ask about organic cannabis growing period.

Here's my question. When you all chop how are you doing it? Do you hang the plant whole or in branches and for how long? Do you do a sweating process in a sealed container? I see some ppl use banana boxes which is something i would stay away from becasue the banana's that came in the boxes are one of the highest sprayed and gassed products there is. Some ppl are using glass jars. Just want to see what everyone's way of drying and curing is.

 

[moses wellfleet]

Does everybody use EM to break down the old roots before replanting, or will a couple earth worms do the same job?

Also was wondering where is the biological controls index? I put a lot of work into that, would hate it if it was gone!

 

[BlueJayWay]

420man - I don't think I do anything special but I trim all leaf away from flowers, hang dry from stem until they're pretty much dry, jar 'em up and keep it under 65%RH, when steady @ around 58 ~ 61 I keep 'em in the jar, call it done! try not to open for awhile either lol

moses - I've never 'used EM' ever...

 

[LilMan72003]

Hope this ok to ask here if it's the wrong place just let me know. I still can't believe i just found out how awesome this forum is a few months ago. IMO the best organic heads to ask about organic cannabis growing period.

Here's my question. When you all chop how are you doing it? Do you hang the plant whole or in branches and for how long? Do you do a sweating process in a sealed container? I see some ppl use banana boxes which is something i would stay away from becasue the banana's that came in the boxes are one of the highest sprayed and gassed products there is. Some ppl are using glass jars. Just want to see what everyone's way of drying and curing is.

Cut the main stalk. Snip off the off the big fan leaves, leave bud leaf untouched.Some hang the entire plant, some hang individual colas, whatever works best for your situation. I hang entire plant. Pay attention to any microclimate differences in your drying location, which may alter drying times between a single crop. Let dry until the stems snap instead of peel when bent. At this point, trim the bud leaf, I like to throw in paper bags for a day or two to draw out moisture from within the cola. Some say this is not necessary. Into the jars, opening once a day for a couple weeks to cure (the smell will come back at this point).

Cheers!
Lilman

 

[rasputin]

Here's my question. When you all chop how are you doing it? Do you hang the plant whole or in branches and for how long? Do you do a sweating process in a sealed container?

What's your environment like? That has to the most to do with how best to go about it. If your room is 72 degrees and 50% RH you can pretty much do it however you want.

In the winter things can dry out quickly if you're not careful so I've taken to hanging whole plants minus fan leaves. Helps to slow things down. Once the buds are starting to dry on the outside I'll trim them and add to brown bags until stems snap. Then they'll hit glass jars.

In the spring/summer it tends to be more humid so you don't need to do anything to slow down the dry. If anything sometimes you need to speed it up. Pretty much the same process except I'll cut plants down into individual branches and hang those instead. Trim, brown bag, jar.

The first week in the jar is the sweat/burp phase. I try to avoid filling the jars too much so the moisture can redistribute evenly without causing any problems. For the first few days I'll remove the lids every few hours and let them air out until they can stay covered without any excess moisture build up. Then it's a race to empty the jars.

 

[dogfishheadie]

here's a pretty solid thread that has a picture tutorial for a "perfect cure everytime".

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=156237

H2O + Agsil with Aloe + fulpower + sprouted seed tea

This is my base "water" that i use every time. I've been doing this consistently for several months - I used to feed with ACT or botanical tea at least once or twice week, now its every couple weeks at most, ACT every 6 weeks or so...you certainly won't be disappointed and to me it makes a world of difference in plant health -

 

[Old_Headbanger]

here's a pretty solid thread that has a picture tutorial for a "perfect cure everytime".

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=156237

Can't go wrong here. Tried and true.

 

[Neo 420]

Does everybody use EM to break down the old roots before replanting, or will a couple earth worms do the same job?

Just replant em. I try to replant directly after chop. Seems to achieve faster veg growth for me when I replant immediately. Its now in my routine.

 

[Swayze]

Anything I can do with this, besides try and wrap my head around how awesome it is?

 

[420MAN78]

Thanks for the replies on your drying/curing method. The link was much appreciated.

Got another question about a possible myth. When you have a good living soil mix your using is there a such thing as sensitive strains? I'm asking becasue i use my own soil mix with bottled nutes at this point. (have all the things i need to switch to coot's mix though and will be in the future and dropping the bottled stuff) I have a strain that was made by an amateur breeder that just crossed a male and female together no selection. Some other growers have had nanner problems and have stated this strain is N sensitive. Want some opinions on this.

 

[420MAN78]

H2O + Agsil with Aloe + fulpower + sprouted seed tea

This is my base "water" that i use every time. I've been doing this consistently for several months - I used to feed with ACT or botanical tea at least once or twice week, now its every couple weeks at most, ACT every 6 weeks or so...you certainly won't be disappointed and to me it makes a world of difference in plant health -

Hey man love your pics.

Are you able to do this with a fresh new mixed up soil batch or does it have to be recycled at least once for this to work well. My plan is to recycle my soil but not to step into no til until i have a few grows this new way first. I plan to take the soil after i chop and remix it with a little bit of amendments. (I'll ask all you guys at a later date how much is suggested of what to remix with)

 

[dogfishheadie]

I'm currently using it in my starting mix of EWC / peat / crab meal / azomite and plan to use it for my first bath of soil that will be finishing up sometime next week. minus the seed sprout part though, purple barley should be in within the next few days.

 

[Gascanastan]

Ahhh living soil...it is when things reach this point that one gets reminded why we continue to use living soil.

Smoke-able samples from this crop are like "smoking dank air".....as JayKush used to say....and for crying out loud,how did I do this w/out a brix and ph meter.....hhhmmmm....I remain perplexed why I would ever need that shit again.

These smell so freaking sweet...as sweet or sweeter than any Blueberry in existence...and twice as sticky. Smells just like fall around here.....for being spring time.

Coot's 'The One'

 

[BlueJayWay]

When you have a good living soil mix your using is there a such thing as sensitive strains? ......have stated this strain is N sensitive. Want some opinions on this.

Absolutely, the way I approach this - go easy on re-amending (you can always topdress later), there's still plenty available after each round as things break down slowly, nutrients cycled etc etc...never make an overly rich soil...so when the plants are young and really pick up speed going into veg, you haven't really hit them with any rich teas etc, you can pick out which plants are already 'peak health' from what the soil provides...and other plants may not be real dark green, or even hint at yellowing from the bottom up....it is at this point the plants tell me which ones/groups/strains want a higher strength (less dilution) teas and which ones don't need any teas, or a very diluted version of the tea......

Hey man love your pics.

Are you able to do this with a fresh new mixed up soil batch or does it have to be recycled at least once for this to work well. My plan is to recycle my soil but not to step into no til until i have a few grows this new way first. I plan to take the soil after i chop and remix it with a little bit of amendments. (I'll ask all you guys at a later date how much is suggested of what to remix with)

....As a continuation from above - it's these items that I add in my water each time (silica, aloe, fulvic, sprouted 'enzyme' tea) that encourage the plant to keep growing at 'peak health' and ensure continual high availability of soluble nutrients/minerals in the soil, clean root zone, vigorous root growth, continual fortification of pest resistancy & strengthening of stem/cell walls.....it's the teas and topdressings that reintroduce nutrients and organic matter when & if needed....

...So yes, overall 'age' of soil is irelevant to me in my day to day waterings/foliars.....in that aspect.

 

[smoooth]

Hey fellas! Always some killer info in here and it just gets better. Plus all the great pics to drool over

Well I finally got everything needed to mix up first batch of ROLS! The last thing I was waiting on was the neem cake from neemresource and it arrived today! Wanted some input to make sure I was going in the right direction here...

The base soil mix is as follows

1 bale sunshine peat moss
4 c.f. Of large chunky perlite
3 c.f. Of Malibu compost bu's blend
1 c.f. Of vermiblend (earthworm/compost mix)
Total 12 c.f.

Amendments are per c.f.
1/2 cup sul-po-mag
1/2 cup alfalfa meal
1 cup neem seed meal
2 cups kelp meal
2 cups fish meal
2 cups fish bone meal
2 cups glacial rock dust

And the lime mix for the whole batch will be
2 cups dolomite
4 cups oyster shell flour

I just wanted to make sure my amendments and the lime mix were correct before mixing it up and possibly screwing myself by not doing it correctly.

Thanks for info guys

 

[VortexPower420]

HEy smooth.

My recommendations are....
Leave out the Sul-po-mag to much Mg
Trade the Dolo lime for Gypsum, once again to much Mg. and it will bring in some S
and I would acquire some crab shell if possible.

Timbuktu

 

[moses wellfleet]

I missed the evolution of these seed sprout teas, barley etc. I would like to follow the whole process where were they first suggested (what thread or which page of this thread)?

 

[RicoT]

I don't know if there was an evolution of discussion more than just random knowledge bombs from CC and company.. But it's pretty much an extraction of enzymes via the sprouts AFAIK.. This came from within the first 100 pages of original thread or this one..

1/4 cup barley seeds, sprout like any seed.
Once sprouted, add to 1 gal of water and let it sit for 3-4 days.
Strain and mix 2 cups of this tea to 14 cups h20(1gal)
Foliar or fertigate.

Works with alfalfa, wheat, oat, etc seeds..

 

[invocation]

Ancient OG update
That's my little lazy style compost tea. Quality compost with pure water dripping on it. I'm not ACTing here hehe....

 

[dogfishheadie]

I've got a ton of notes on seed sprouts back at my home pc, I'll throw them up tonight if it hasn't been covered yet. if going the barley route, make sure you get the six row vs two row as it contains more enzymes. also, the initial soak water will contain a high level of growth inhibitors, make sure you don't use this on your girls, it's the end product were after.