The Nevils Haze and Nevils Haze hybrids discussion thread.

[ojd]

Jack herer is clearly on the C side of Haze.
Having smoked it for years in Amsterdam it is well known as being on the C side , lemon/Pine/Citrus side of Haze , i wasnt the biggest fan of the Jack Herer in Amsterdam at cups etc as to me it was a C5 ( Amsterdam cut) hybrid but with more skunk or another early variety mixed in so much less Hazy than the other Haze cuts that were about , Jack flash to me was a much better Jack herer hybrid that was hit with Haze again i assume as was really nice N Hazy and much more A Haze influence.

People from USA even call it Jack terps , to any strain with the more lemon/Citrus side of Haze and less or no Frankincense.

Also the C5 hybrids throw much more lime green buds and the A side of Haze throws out darker bud and alot more and darker Orange hairs/pistils

Edit
I must be talking about the later version of Jack herer that Johnnychicago mentions as thats the Jack Herer i smoked over the years in Amsterdam.
Jack Flash though wow that had every Haze head at that cup that year loving it , so much more Hazy than any Jack herer I ever tried

 

[Koondense]

Interesting stuff
I only grew JH a few times and it was San-nie's version(F8 or F9) but still I have a clear memory of once smoking Sensi's JH in the early 2000s. It was a meaty, incense lemony type of bud, heavy hitter,dense high. I didn't like it much to be honest(at the time) but the terpenes got stuck in my mind till now.
If I was guessing the pedigree of that smoke,I would be sure it's a mix of A5 and skunk, or maybe A5 x skunkhaze.
Just a thought...

Cheers

 

[CosmicGiggle]

thread closed for review

 

[@hempy]

This thread's a continuation of the first thread that got closed, still cant remember why that was.

This thread.

The Nevils Haze and Nevils Haze hybrids discussion thread.

I thought it be a good idea to have a thread were people can come and discuss Nevils Haze work old and new under one roof. Please keep it on topic and stay out if your only going to cause drama. like it or not Nevil has a huge fan base and many people still grow his work.

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I thought instead of seeing other unrelated threads being filled with posts about Nevils Work, they could have their own home.

 

[@hempy]

We can discuss this here, OJD that way were not trashing Morphs Tom Hill thread.

The Plant Dwight has of the Outback Haze looks nothing like my Thai, but it does look like some of the Nevils Haze plants, and It has the HzC type flowers.

Nevils Haze 36 is what I call a HzC type.

 

[@hempy]

The real 5HzA looks similar to this, what most are passing around looks like the 5HzC, and shanti calls them coffee shop cuts.

The Grail project was about preserving Haze, Nevil set out to try and find a sativa line or unrelated Haze to his Haze to bred with a Nevils Haze.

The Grail was about preserving the Haze that is left.

There were 3 directions to this.


1/ Inbreed.

2/ Find a Haze unrelated x to NH

3/ Haze like sativa to NH.

 

[@hempy]

Will let Nevils posts do the talking.

Cat piss.

Grail was about finding the right female to cross to NH male, as I posted.

Males carry the ancestral memory, that is why the Grail project focus was using a Nevil Haze male being F1, it was only one generation away from the 69 Haze.

 

[elchischas]

Nice to see this kind of threads Hempy..

It will be very useful for many of us who want to continue learning.

 

[LostTribe]

I love me some Haze!

 

[ojd]

Cool let's talk Haze then


1stPic
Nevils NH21

2nd pic
Dwights Outback clone

Zoom in on NH21, clearly way more foxtail type less rounded like Outback, buds thin out at top , then the Outback pic ?

So me and stone started going at it as stone said these look alike , I said he needs glasses as look nothing alike ( foxtails , Calyx , bud shape etc etc) very different, dwights bud shape reminds me of SSH/NL5 Haze, non Haze leaners, Haze there of course but not the extreme Haze leaners like NH21.

Stone makes many out there quotes liking his Silk to Nevil's 1st generation seeds/clones etc and many hype story that is just so cringe and made up is to , I cant believe you yourself don't ever mention anything.
Im not knocking the Silk line , just the hype marketing quotes he uses ( that most don't understand at all and sound legit to them) is a joke.
Also like i said in that post dwight been caught lying or stretching truths many times and once called out , never posted again apart from on LinkedIn , which no forum guy are members off.

I mentioned how rounded the buds were on dwights Outback and doesn't look like the NH21 he posted, and stone started mentioning C5 having rounded buds and posted pics of issac Haze he found online.
C5 grows a nice long cola plant so from a far can look more solid but if you really know the C5 and Haze then a cola of Hazy calyx's is very different to a SSH or Haze hybrid where the Haze look ( calyx etc is far less and sometimes hard to see)

Pic 3 issac Haze stone replys to me saying can't you see the Issac Haze ( C5 pheno ) flower looks alike to Dwights Outback with same rounded buds, again stone needs better glasses and understanding of the A and C Haze phenotypes.

Pic 4 dwights Outback, no resemblance to issac Haze to me ( C5 heavy pheno) ?, 1 like a todays Dutch Haze look , and other like the classic Haze look of 90's .

Like I said apples and Oranges, yes both Haze but looks VERY different, trying to say they look similar is reaching far ? ( and stone does that with all his quotes to do with his Silk project) again not saying its not great , but that USA hype machine talk he does with direct descendants, C5 this that is so cringe and false,stretching truths etc etc , and if your not educated on Haze and not been around 20 years you will probably eat it all up

Also stone talks like dwight is Nevil or something, not just some guy who was a friend of Nevil's.
Dwight was caught out lying and stretched truth several times , 1st claiming he did half of all seedbank work with Nevil, then retracted and Never mentioned again , also posted pics and sent out seeds to many breeders, people claiming pure Outback Regular seeds , then had to go Outback and admit was actually Outback x NL ?.
Nevils ultimate Grail Sativa/Haze and dwight goes Outback to NL, Nevil must of dropped his Haze drysift spliff in Heaven and cried , along with all hard core Haze/Sativa junkies who are looking for the most extreme Haze/Sativa expressions.

People like Nevil and Sam i understand people putting on a pedestal , they legendary figures and did epic work to build our scene to what it is today , but dwight a regular guy like you and me , and when he does some epic work it will be praised I'm sure , but dwight ran to LinkedIn as soon as the questions started coming and discrepancies etc discovered.

 

[ojd]

The real 5HzA looks similar to this, what most are passing around looks like the 5HzC, and shanti calls them coffee shop cuts.

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The Grail project was about preserving Haze, Nevil set out to try and find a sativa line or unrelated Haze to his Haze to bred with a Nevils Haze.

The Grail was about preserving the Haze that is left.

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There were 3 directions to this.


1/ Inbreed.

2/ Find a Haze unrelated x to NH

3/ Haze like sativa to NH.

Nevil set out to do that, and his friend takes his ultimate Grail and hits it with NL ?

Also nobody can see anything from that outdoor flower pic , a few hairs.

A Haze Traits to look for

1.Extreme dark Orange hairs

2.Early Orange hairs through flowering , way Early leaving you to think room has been pollinated

3.Much more closed flowers than Haze pics ive posted of C5 , C5 colas ( look closely at pics) made up of all foxtails making a large cola , A Haze more tips foxtails on denser buds but not SSH dense colas, a unique dense and spaced out buds

4.Spicy smells , no Lemon lime or Pine ( again I'm talking a near pure A Haze trait) combinations like most of the famous clones have hints of both but more dominated by 1 ( A5 hybrids more Spices etc) most famous A hybrids still have a subtle Pine but 90% plus Exotic Colombian spices , pepper , Incense, Frankincense

These Haze A Traits ive learned to look for from growing 100's of Haze's, probably 1000's over my 20 years , some projects had 500 plants and I've been very busy last 20 years , full time at this Haze game.
But I don't select on any looks , looks can be deceiving, as A and C are sisters and the combinations of both that Nevil used brings up both A and C in most of Nevils combinations.
Test is smoking , looking for taste/High only , even a runt , if it rocks me in taste or high or both , she gets kept

 

[ojd]

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We can discuss this here, OJD that way were not trashing Morphs Tom Hill thread.

The Plant Dwight has of the Outback Haze looks nothing like my Thai, but it does look like some of the Nevils Haze plants, and It has the HzC type flowers.

Nevils Haze 36 is what I call a HzC type.


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Bro this is the C5 Haze look not what you posted above , look at the calyx formation

Ignore the text , that from stone who has no idea and thinks that has the rounded buds formation i mentioned, it doesn't, it looks more rounded dense from pic afar ( that's why zoomed in pic , to show those calyxs/foxtails)

 

[mudballs]

I've taken the stance that any "rounded" nug structure comes from the columbian side...i could swear i know when columbian is present but im not 100% sure...why i hang out with you cats...you know i love all of you...cuz my flaws are way fkn worse for me to judge another

 

[SaveTheBrains]

Nevil set out to do that, and his friend takes his ultimate Grail and hits it with NL ?

Also nobody can see anything from that outdoor flower pic , a few hairs.

A Haze Traits to look for

1.Extreme dark Orange hairs

2.Early Orange hairs through flowering , way Early leaving you to think room has been pollinated

3.Much more closed flowers than Haze pics ive posted of C5 , C5 colas ( look closely at pics) made up of all foxtails making a large cola , A Haze more tips foxtails on denser buds but not SSH dense colas, a unique dense and spaced out buds

4.Spicy smells , no Lemon lime or Pine ( again I'm talking a near pure A Haze trait) combinations like most of the famous clones have hints of both but more dominated by 1 ( A5 hybrids more Spices etc) most famous A hybrids still have a subtle Pine but 90% plus Exotic Colombian spices , pepper , Incense, Frankincense

These Haze A Traits ive learned to look for from growing 100's of Haze's, probably 1000's over my 20 years , some projects had 500 plants and I've been very busy last 20 years , full time at this Haze game.
But I don't select on any looks , looks can be deceiving, as A and C are sisters and the combinations of both that Nevil used brings up both A and C in most of Nevils combinations.
Test is smoking , looking for taste/High only , even a runt , if it rocks me in taste or high or both , she gets kept

He mate this is not a fight chill .

I feel you on a rant mode again, maybe Haze doesn't fit you now you older.

The Henpy Phtotos are old and are Historical proofs, . Where did you see the Haze A plant ?


I Personaly do select with looks also for sure is something not to exclude. This is how I found ONE PIECE .

The Looks is something very underrated, the structure and the visual characteristics are alot of data to collect for the ones the who care for.



One Piece from S1 seeds

One Piece Mother less than 20 days on Flowering

Vekara mother Plant week 11+ is the sister of One Piece.

5 leaf Male( the very first set of real leaves was 5 ) evolution is called of the plant .The plants carry the 5 leaf trait will out perform in vigor resin production and weigh most of the Hazes
and The selection was done strictly based on the looks, the structure, the quickness and the aroma in the stem

j

 

[ojd]

View attachment 19119876
We can discuss this here, OJD that way were not trashing Morphs Tom Hill thread.

The Plant Dwight has of the Outback Haze looks nothing like my Thai, but it does look like some of the Nevils Haze plants, and It has the HzC type flowers.

Nevils Haze 36 is what I call a HzC type.


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I've taken the stance that any "rounded" nug structure comes from the columbian side...i could swear i know when columbian is present but im not 100% sure...why i hang out with you cats...you know i love all of you...cuz my flaws are way fkn worse for me to judge another

Yes but there different rounded , that Outback looks like straight up SSH or a NL5 Haze ( new ear not old era)

The Issac Haze C5 pheno not rounded at all , you think that looks rounded compare same as the Outback pic , just asking opinion not trolling at all ?

 

[mudballs]

It is less stalky, or less fenitrigo than a full blooded thai or heavy thai leaner right? We're into minutiae but i wouldn't use the adjective "rounded" outback is not rounded nug structure

 

[ojd]

He mate this is not a fight chill .

I feel you on a rant mode again, maybe Haze doesn't fit you now you older.

The Henpy Phtotos are old and are Historical proofs, . Where did you see the Haze A plant ?


I Personaly do select with looks also for sure is something not to exclude. This is how I found ONE PIECE .

The Looks is something very underrated, the structure and the visual characteristics are alot of data to collect for the ones the who care for.



One Piece from S1 seeds
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One Piece Mother less than 20 days on Flowering

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Vekara mother Plant week 11+ is the sister of One Piece.

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5 leaf Male( the very first set of real leaves was 5 ) evolution is called of the plant .The plants carry the 5 leaf trait will out perform in vigor resin production and weigh most of the Hazes
and The selection was done strictly based on the looks, the structure, the quickness and the aroma in the stem

j
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Again not tryng to start trouble with you but what what other Haze's have you grown apart from those 13 seeds your project is based on ( and was it Mango Haze seeds ? , as that work is like i say you worked a line from that strain, so basically still Mango Haze but your worked line and looks great) but ive grown untold Haze's, C5, AG13 , Original Haze , NL5 Haze, Nevil Haze, Nevil Mango, SSH etc etc and list goes on .
Once you grown the whole line of A and C hybrids, legit clones you can recognise taste, smells ,looks and learn way more than any internet pic's and other people's description) 1000's of Haze plants ive grown over 20 years , toured Amsterdam like a crazy guy, travelling all over , katsu , Dampkring, greenhouse coffeshops etc etc anywhere there was legit Haze decades ago before the Haze bubble burst in Amsterdam, i done my Haze research over decades and definitely learned alot and know more than most when talking Nevil's Haze's, thats for sure

 

[SaveTheBrains]

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[SaveTheBrains]

Again not tryng to start trouble with you but what what other Haze's have you grown apart from those 13 seeds your project is based on ( and was it Mango Haze seeds ? , as that work is like i say you worked a line from that strain, so basically still Mango Haze but your worked line and looks great) but ive grown untold Haze's, C5, AG13 , Original Haze , NL5 Haze, Nevil Haze, Nevil Mango, SSH etc etc and list goes on .
Once you grown the whole line of A and C hybrids, legit clones you can recognise taste, smells ,looks and learn way more than any internet pic's and other people's description) 1000's of Haze plants ive grown over 20 years , toured Amsterdam like a crazy guy, travelling all over , katsu , Dampkring, greenhouse coffeshops etc etc anywhere there was legit Haze decades ago before the Haze bubble burst in Amsterdam, i done my Haze research over decades and definitely learned alot and know more than most when talking Nevil's Haze's, thats for sure

Mango Haze ibl and Nevils Haze are the only 2 planst carrying Haze A genetics according to Shanti.

Yes was 18 seeds and they become many hundreds seeds from 3 years many phenos many seeds poped and many palnts discarded .
You can see my haze grows at Shantis new shop in his istagram.
G13 Haze My Nl5hz .

I been doing my thing Thanks for appreciating.

 

[ojd]

It is less stalky, or less fenitrigo than a full blooded thai or heavy thai leaner right? We're into minutiae but i wouldn't use the adjective "rounded" outback is not rounded nug structure

Fentrigo ( if thats even the correct spelling) but BAM
yes thats what im talking about, and way less , like current Haze's all way less , unless working witu the old cuts or new Nevil work.

That's what i mean exactly, and thats apples and Oranges when i comes to a Haze freak, an occasional Haze smoker probably wouldn't even notice , but the OG's definitely do wether they talk up or not.
I know people dont like to get called on and most people dont poke the bear but im a passionate Haze lover and when the Haze scene has people quoting far fetched quotes ( Silk) to hype his Haze ( so far fetched) i need to talk up , and the lapdances he gives Dwight's a caught out lyer claiming he did half of seedbank work , really thata acceptable ? , not in my world, maybe yours , but im not you im me and i speak my mind , not hold back like many people because they dont want the drama ( i understand) but someone needs to call it out if he sees or thinks it