the_extremist
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They're beautiful, desertsquirrel. What cut(s) is that?
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The myth, of the high P myth?
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desertsquirrel
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The bushes are green crack and pink pezz. The smaller dark green ones are pure power plant.
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YosemiteSam
That is a pretty bold move DS. I bailed on 24 ppm at the end of stretch and bumped it to 46.
Good luck to you buddy. They look good
Good luck to you buddy. They look good
Are you hitting those girls with a foliar?
Something about your grow room just screams "Dutch Master Liquid Light" to me.
I'm sure I'm wrong... but foliars can go a long way in the proper situation and the loss of color in the leaf mass around where the resin is erupting from is what I usually see if I'm not rocking the Mg in my solution as hard as I could be. Usually a quick Mag dominated foliar fixes the loss of green pretty quick and to my eye it looks like you may have applied something like this.
For day 25 those things are on there way to be killers in 4 weeks...
desertsquirrel
Member
Snow Crash we operate on far too large of a scale to use techniques that may further complicate grows (pm/mold in the case of foilars.) We don't even mist clones.
No additives, no boosters, no foilars, just H&G A&B, Epsom, Cal-mag, H2O2, Dialed ass room and a dedicated crew.
Hey Yosemite i look forward to hooking up again - it was great to meet you. I loved the O haze man. Also I put aside some ultima pollen for that project we talked about. Ill hit you up soon.
No additives, no boosters, no foilars, just H&G A&B, Epsom, Cal-mag, H2O2, Dialed ass room and a dedicated crew.
Hey Yosemite i look forward to hooking up again - it was great to meet you. I loved the O haze man. Also I put aside some ultima pollen for that project we talked about. Ill hit you up soon.
BasementBreeder
Member
A lot of really nice looking plants in here guys. Keep up the good work.
DS,
Are you planning to maintain those phosphorous levels the entire grow?
DS,
Are you planning to maintain those phosphorous levels the entire grow?
desertsquirrel
Member
desertsquirrel
Member
wow!Looks great in there, esp. w/ low P and no additives.
Any advice for someone looking to become a dispensary grower??
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YosemiteSam
to Desert Squirrel.Tell the truth...did you bump P at all?
Is the Green Crack going a little longer?
super looking grow my friend. did you use any P that was not supplied as phosphoric acid?
I am seriously impressed this time.
is that arm out of a cast...hope so.
desertsquirrel
Member
Well lets see...
Half str H&G is 20 actual P
The cal-mag, epsom, and h202 contribute none.
Initial dose of protek (@1-1.5 ml/gal) is maybe 3 ppm, 5 is a gift. (total=25 p)
From there it is hit with The phosphoric acid @ .5ish ml/gal every 3-4 days.
Now if plants are up taking the kind of P that High Pers are insinuating the plant should be up taking an upwards of 5 ppm per day. However even if its more like 1-2 ppm of P per day as i hypothesize rates should NEVER break 25 actual P.
I will know more soon when the specific ion electrodes get here. I should have 24 hour uptake logs of all 18 essentials + a few other things. Cant wait. (thanks spur).
Yosemite:
Troof. =) help me out and lets show these guys what 20 P can do!
Yeah the crack is about 7-10 out its just starting to shine up.
And thanks man, can't wait to start chucking some pollen on your ladies. Talk to you soon.
Half str H&G is 20 actual P
The cal-mag, epsom, and h202 contribute none.
Initial dose of protek (@1-1.5 ml/gal) is maybe 3 ppm, 5 is a gift. (total=25 p)
From there it is hit with The phosphoric acid @ .5ish ml/gal every 3-4 days.
Now if plants are up taking the kind of P that High Pers are insinuating the plant should be up taking an upwards of 5 ppm per day. However even if its more like 1-2 ppm of P per day as i hypothesize rates should NEVER break 25 actual P.
I will know more soon when the specific ion electrodes get here. I should have 24 hour uptake logs of all 18 essentials + a few other things. Cant wait. (thanks spur).
Yosemite:
Troof. =) help me out and lets show these guys what 20 P can do!
Yeah the crack is about 7-10 out its just starting to shine up.
And thanks man, can't wait to start chucking some pollen on your ladies. Talk to you soon.
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poipu79
awesome... desertsquirrel what are you running the ec at
been following the low P and and have dropped to 50 P myself and at day 21 12,12 still likin it
...poipu
been following the low P and and have dropped to 50 P myself and at day 21 12,12 still likin it
...poipu
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YosemiteSam
I actually believe 25 is a good number all of the through. If you look at soil tests a lot of them are down around that level just cause it is hard to make organic P actually available to the plant.
I will give it a shot next time I get into flower...gonna be Nov though.
Happy harvest DS.
I will give it a shot next time I get into flower...gonna be Nov though.
Happy harvest DS.
desertsquirrel
Member
Surly some high p people will comment?
the_extremist
Member
They're too busy smoking bowls of their smoldering, crackling, black as coal high P herb.
Great work helping to dispel the myth, DS. They look incredible.
Has a consensus been reached as far as ideal ppm's for N, P, K, Mg, Ca for bloom? I'm looking at some new nutes...
That look great... Is it sour D and the white?
Mullray the only rubbish is your zero evidence to back up anything ...
Low P.....
Frosty ...Check
Yield.....CHeck
Aroma......Check
Flowering Times.... Check
Mullray....Check
When your in China...try some Peking Duck....stay away from all the other Duck... Often imitated but never duplicated ...
That look great... Is it sour D and the white?
No consensus that I am aware of.
Being that Cannabis is the one of the most genetically diverse lifeforms on this planet (the genetic variation between one strain and another may be as large as the genetic variation between yourself and a horse) there will probably never be a solid consensus.
If there was a baseline for flowering I would think that the right area is somewhere around:
100N +/- 20ppm Maxed around 150ppm
40P +/- 15ppm Maxed around 60ppm
200K +/- 50ppm Maxed around 280ppm
80Ca +/- 10ppm Maxed around 100ppm
50Mg +/- 10ppm Maxed around 70ppm
But like I said earlier different strains need different concentrations of elements. In addition, different growth systems make some elements more available than other. The growing environment atmosphere (Temp/RH/VPD) further alters how the plant uses and consumes hydration and elements. Then, you have to figure in things like chelators which further improve uptake. There's a ton of factors to consider but it helps to make a plan with your ppm levels at least one time and do a little learning. Usually takes two or three runs with a strain before you get her dialed in just right, but the levels I provided should help avoid any serious deficiency or toxicity (runoff permitting).
That's what I've "picked up" buzzing around for a while.
dgr
Member
Shroom,
I know a guy running 4/1 gro/bloom. His plants look like this:
Throw in some calmag+, epsom and potassium silicate and the ratios are suspiciously close to the peters numbers.
Here are my numbers. Nitrogen went up just a bit when I decided to try floralicious plus. Plants aren't complaining.
Nitrogen 135
Phosphorus 41
Potassium 163
Magnesium 62
Sulfur 76
Calcium 93
Silica 2
Cal-Mag Plus 2
Floralicious Plus 1
HW Micro Flora
Maxibloom 1
MaxiGro 4
I know a guy running 4/1 gro/bloom. His plants look like this:
Throw in some calmag+, epsom and potassium silicate and the ratios are suspiciously close to the peters numbers.
Here are my numbers. Nitrogen went up just a bit when I decided to try floralicious plus. Plants aren't complaining.
Nitrogen 135
Phosphorus 41
Potassium 163
Magnesium 62
Sulfur 76
Calcium 93
Silica 2
Cal-Mag Plus 2
Floralicious Plus 1
HW Micro Flora
Maxibloom 1
MaxiGro 4
the_extremist
Member
So here's what I plan on running in coco coir come spring time when I finally run out of super soil.
Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Hydro Bloom @ 10ml/gallon
N----P----K---Ca--Mg
61--40--126--30--15
Botanicare CalMag+ @ 10ml/gallon
N---Ca--Mg
54--86--32
Epsom Salt @ .5g/gallon
Mg--S
13--16
Sulfate of Potash @ .5g/gallon
K----S
55--24
Total Before S of K:
-N----P----K----Ca---Mg--S
115--40--126--116--60--16
After S of K:
-N----P----K----Ca---Mg--S
115--40--181--116--60--40
I'm curious about when in flower to add the K sulfate for a 70 day strain. I was thinking about starting around day 40 or so when they really start stacking and running it up until flush time. From what I've read, coir can be fussy when K levels get too high. How high is too high? Can anyone who's worked with coir offer advice? (YosemiteSam, I'm lookin' at you, brother)
Also, I'm under 1kw's with CO2. Do you guys think this mix will keep the ladies fed? Or will I need to bump up the EC of the mix to compensate?
Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Hydro Bloom @ 10ml/gallon
N----P----K---Ca--Mg
61--40--126--30--15
Botanicare CalMag+ @ 10ml/gallon
N---Ca--Mg
54--86--32
Epsom Salt @ .5g/gallon
Mg--S
13--16
Sulfate of Potash @ .5g/gallon
K----S
55--24
Total Before S of K:
-N----P----K----Ca---Mg--S
115--40--126--116--60--16
After S of K:
-N----P----K----Ca---Mg--S
115--40--181--116--60--40
I'm curious about when in flower to add the K sulfate for a 70 day strain. I was thinking about starting around day 40 or so when they really start stacking and running it up until flush time. From what I've read, coir can be fussy when K levels get too high. How high is too high? Can anyone who's worked with coir offer advice? (YosemiteSam, I'm lookin' at you, brother)
Also, I'm under 1kw's with CO2. Do you guys think this mix will keep the ladies fed? Or will I need to bump up the EC of the mix to compensate?
