Tranquilidade
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I plan to grow these as well, along with Jalisco and Puma. I want to explore Mexican genepool in general, sadly I missed Purple Zacatecas.
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the Mexican Landraces Thread
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Tranquilidade
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Maybe next time.
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Tlatoani77
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Hi, everyone!
"I feel like this thread has become boring, too much repeated information, many off-topic posts, the same speculative info over and over again (no offense to those who post), so let's give it a bit of freshness... This is a sativa from the "central region of Guerrero", obtained from the mountains by a great friend who has a direct connection with the growers who call it 'criolla' and have been cultivating it in the same place for centuries, generation after generation... The flower is dark green/brown, with orange/reddish pistils, airy, with small trichome heads, with a woody, citrusy, and humid smell and taste. The effect is thoughtful, your mind gets lost in thoughts, happy, a little euphoric, energetic, and optimistic; no ceiling effect..."
"I feel like this thread has become boring, too much repeated information, many off-topic posts, the same speculative info over and over again (no offense to those who post), so let's give it a bit of freshness... This is a sativa from the "central region of Guerrero", obtained from the mountains by a great friend who has a direct connection with the growers who call it 'criolla' and have been cultivating it in the same place for centuries, generation after generation... The flower is dark green/brown, with orange/reddish pistils, airy, with small trichome heads, with a woody, citrusy, and humid smell and taste. The effect is thoughtful, your mind gets lost in thoughts, happy, a little euphoric, energetic, and optimistic; no ceiling effect..."
53grayeyes
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Wow! Huge seeds. Do you have any pictures of it growing?
Wow! Really beautiful!
Thanks for show us
Tranquilidade
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@elchischas do you know by change if any Mexican varieties had fuely or sandal wood aromas?
Hola tranquilidades
I would say that there are some Mexican varieties with light sandal wood aromas. Mostly the varieties from the Guerrero state smell like wood.
ThatOtherGuyYouKnow
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Hey first post. im around on a couple forums with a very similar name to this. You can find me on thcfarmer if it makes me seem a little more credible lmao. And sorry, i am very long winded. Im not trying to advertise or ask for anything other then hoping someone who knows a thing or two more then i do looks at this and knows if i had the real columbian land race or not. Its been rather back and forth trying to figure that out.
Used to live and grow in Kansas City. This happened close to 10 years ago, at least 7 (lol). (i have limited but useful pics, past and current) When i lived there, one night i went to a grateful dead cover show at a dead bar. Ended up at the same table during the show as this big ole bearded fella. And we were drinking beers so of course we both ran our mouths a bunch. He knew i was growing (legally of course)
He ended up inviting me after the show to check out a bunch of cool stuff he mailed himself back from south america during his "gringo'ing voyages" when he was younger. I smoked some of my flowers with him.
Showed me a lot of cool stuff, ended up telling me a crazy old deadhead story about making friends with a dude who turned out to grow marijuana for local cartel's, and this apparently literally happened in columbia. He was given some fresh cut flowers off what he described as "Giant fire hair sativa trees" to me. Said they had seeds in it. And then pulled a little metal tin out of his fridge with a little baggie of seeds, pinched out like 20-25 and gave em too me.
Took that with a grain of salt big time for obvious reasons. T(the guy near the beginning of the thread that described the columbian seed has me really wanting to talk to someone that could ID a plant, and resulting linage i have for me... long shot i know) They were very small, nearly black, striped seeds. Definitely old, had remains of old crushed ones in it. Did the good ole matchbox scoring and few hour water soak before putting em on paper towels. Out of about half the seeds (gave like half of them away) I managed to get 2 plants, and both were near identical Highly sativa dominant tree like plants. Bright fire hairs, literally looks like burning buds from a distance.
Ran clones from one outside. Couldn't finish em either season. but were near psychedlic quality sativa high, smiley, no anxiety at all, brighter colors, pen and social (i had to make dabs because of my tollerance, but i have since resolved that thanks to these plants)
Ran one inside in DWC in a big walled off 5x7 setup (mistake really.) The thing went from a small 6 wk old seedling to The rediculous thing in the pics. And had to cut at 13 weeks because root rot set in (thats a dumbly long time to keep a root system healthy in DWC, and this plant cannot** take more then 500ppm in dwc lol, learned those lessons too from this plant)
Dont judge, this turned out to be a very difficult plant in DWC. INsanely picky. Wasn't setup to run any other way indoors at the time at this place.
dry outdoor flowers. some cured ish. At the time i tended to find a plants limit and ride it with bottle feeds, the flower is prob a bit more meaty then it should be.
I did also make a feminized cross between her and my nicest sativa dom. A glue dream cookies F1 female chosen because she was not just potent, but had that smooth slow creep sativa high that leaves you smiling and chinese eyed instead of anxious. Because a plant that grew like this "columbian" in my at the time chosen methods, and that i couldnt finish outside wasnt worth keeping around to me no matter how happy, psychedelic and fantastic the high was.
Then i moved around a lot and didnt really grow for a few years. Only a couple of phenos of that cross were ever grown out and only indoors.
Here some current phenos i have going outside for this year (Im pretty far south, but i am indeed getting all plants both going into flower, and flowering faster then eithe r parent ever did in KC, which is cool i suppose)
Does this all seem, correct to somehow who actually knows? i have more pics old and current i can share, but limited to 10 and dont wanna double post first post.
Used to live and grow in Kansas City. This happened close to 10 years ago, at least 7 (lol). (i have limited but useful pics, past and current) When i lived there, one night i went to a grateful dead cover show at a dead bar. Ended up at the same table during the show as this big ole bearded fella. And we were drinking beers so of course we both ran our mouths a bunch. He knew i was growing (legally of course)
He ended up inviting me after the show to check out a bunch of cool stuff he mailed himself back from south america during his "gringo'ing voyages" when he was younger. I smoked some of my flowers with him.
Showed me a lot of cool stuff, ended up telling me a crazy old deadhead story about making friends with a dude who turned out to grow marijuana for local cartel's, and this apparently literally happened in columbia. He was given some fresh cut flowers off what he described as "Giant fire hair sativa trees" to me. Said they had seeds in it. And then pulled a little metal tin out of his fridge with a little baggie of seeds, pinched out like 20-25 and gave em too me.
Took that with a grain of salt big time for obvious reasons. T(the guy near the beginning of the thread that described the columbian seed has me really wanting to talk to someone that could ID a plant, and resulting linage i have for me... long shot i know) They were very small, nearly black, striped seeds. Definitely old, had remains of old crushed ones in it. Did the good ole matchbox scoring and few hour water soak before putting em on paper towels. Out of about half the seeds (gave like half of them away) I managed to get 2 plants, and both were near identical Highly sativa dominant tree like plants. Bright fire hairs, literally looks like burning buds from a distance.
Ran clones from one outside. Couldn't finish em either season. but were near psychedlic quality sativa high, smiley, no anxiety at all, brighter colors, pen and social (i had to make dabs because of my tollerance, but i have since resolved that thanks to these plants)
Ran one inside in DWC in a big walled off 5x7 setup (mistake really.) The thing went from a small 6 wk old seedling to The rediculous thing in the pics. And had to cut at 13 weeks because root rot set in (thats a dumbly long time to keep a root system healthy in DWC, and this plant cannot** take more then 500ppm in dwc lol, learned those lessons too from this plant)
Dont judge, this turned out to be a very difficult plant in DWC. INsanely picky. Wasn't setup to run any other way indoors at the time at this place.
dry outdoor flowers. some cured ish. At the time i tended to find a plants limit and ride it with bottle feeds, the flower is prob a bit more meaty then it should be.
I did also make a feminized cross between her and my nicest sativa dom. A glue dream cookies F1 female chosen because she was not just potent, but had that smooth slow creep sativa high that leaves you smiling and chinese eyed instead of anxious. Because a plant that grew like this "columbian" in my at the time chosen methods, and that i couldnt finish outside wasnt worth keeping around to me no matter how happy, psychedelic and fantastic the high was.
Then i moved around a lot and didnt really grow for a few years. Only a couple of phenos of that cross were ever grown out and only indoors.
Here some current phenos i have going outside for this year (Im pretty far south, but i am indeed getting all plants both going into flower, and flowering faster then eithe r parent ever did in KC, which is cool i suppose)
Does this all seem, correct to somehow who actually knows? i have more pics old and current i can share, but limited to 10 and dont wanna double post first post.
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Nice photos and interesting history
Are you planning make a repro of pure Colombian?
ThatOtherGuyYouKnow
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Not necessarily, because life circumstances had me stop growing for several years. I would have just kept the original clone of the columbian plants otherwise and wouldnt have top recreate. I have 4 phenotypes of the cross going. Im just glad my beans were still viable. Been through lots of warm cold cycles over the last 5 years.
pheno #1 is heavily columbian dominant, assuming that was the correct plant. She also hit 13ft tall 16ft wide as she was just starting to flower. Was topped multiple times. Absolute F1 sativa leviathan. Im definitely planning on making S1's with her clones, as well as popping the rest of the Fem f1s to see if i can get another phenotype similar and get to some work maybe. Unfortunately i do not have access to male plants, because i had no suitable males, and only 2 of my half of the seed popped, and both were more or less homogenous identical females. I did take many clones of all phenos though. Only had the one single sativa pheno i realy considered sutiable to cross with a plant like this.
I personally wouldnt consider a recreation this way true columbian at all though, more akin to the "colombian gold" you get from all the banks. Ya know, the one that *doesnt* flower til december and look like hemp just a lot danker lmao.
Im just hoping these phenos finish before December, that would be sweet. I was shocked how early they all started stacking. The indicas catching up fast, but these fell in first. 36.5N latitude.
The other mother i called moonsocket (lol) She was a long lanky plant, that was the best bud/leaf ratio outdoor plant ive ever grown (yea these are outdoor flowers lol) And she had that legendary slow creep sativa buzz that had no ceiling and no anxiety all the way up. Complicated lineage, several F1 generations and pheno selecting before some backcrossing. Theres afghani land race, blue dream, GG4 and an oddball sativa dom animal cookies pheno in there among others. Chosen for no other reason then heavily sativa dominant plant, and the qualities of her high, and how truly unique a plant she was.
And i do have this mexi red x afghani female i definitely plan to cross into the #1 columbian dominant pheno to hunt a bunch of female plants for something nice n skunky. Only had one viable left in these, was praying for male. Foiled again lol. But Thats def on the to do list as well. Next season ill have acres of land at my disposal and some pretty cool plants though.
There's something about this one's leaves that i know i recognize, but haven't seen in a long time. And it makes me smile.
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ThatOtherGuyYouKnow
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Sorry for double post. This is very interesting imho.
i have lab test data for the columbian flower somewhere in all my old roomate's stuff at my old place. He's been slowly lookin but they're in there somewhere. Hes a total space cadet and im 800 miles away now lol.
Very interesting stuff on that data sheet. Had 2 phenos of her offspring tested as well.
From memory, the columbian is essentially a 1:1 THC:CBN strain at time of harvest, even if you still have all milky and clear resin heads. But she also has that skunk-raunch terp profile to her. Tested twice indoor and out and she was about 8-10% thc 8-10% cbn a few % delta-9
The 2 offspring that were tested, one skunky pheno and one minty/eucalyptus pheno (she got that from the moonsocket) I dont remember actual % on those, but i remember that the skunkier, and faster flowering one, with the chinese-eyed happy social skunk-sativa high, tested at harvest with measurable delt-9 and cbn content, while the minty eucalyptus one, which did still have an anxiety free high, did not test for any real decarbed or broken down thc. And although very nice, was not at all a happy, chinese eyed, social high. It was nothing like those old columbian crosses or the columbian mother
Make of all that what you will, but i now have a theory, that the reason the highs of those old columbian/mexican crosses was the way it was, it because something about that raunchy skunky terp profile maybe decarbs and breaks down the THC more rapidly then oxidation while those afghani etc genes drive up the thc content. It can't be oxidation causing it, because on that true columbian, not once growing the clones did i ever see a single amber resin head until well into cure. Never didnt have delta-9 and cbn present. The test reports on those never really 100% made sense to me, but are super interesting. I assumed it was because of how long the flower took to mature. But that skunky daughter of her's was done 8wks flat post stretch, much faster then either parent thanks to f1 vigor i assume, and still tested relatively high in delta and cbn, while the slower flowering eucalyptus profile sister did not.
Hoping someone still has the true columbian so i can compare. There's no way i was the last one with that plant lol. Right?
i have lab test data for the columbian flower somewhere in all my old roomate's stuff at my old place. He's been slowly lookin but they're in there somewhere. Hes a total space cadet and im 800 miles away now lol.
Very interesting stuff on that data sheet. Had 2 phenos of her offspring tested as well.
From memory, the columbian is essentially a 1:1 THC:CBN strain at time of harvest, even if you still have all milky and clear resin heads. But she also has that skunk-raunch terp profile to her. Tested twice indoor and out and she was about 8-10% thc 8-10% cbn a few % delta-9
The 2 offspring that were tested, one skunky pheno and one minty/eucalyptus pheno (she got that from the moonsocket) I dont remember actual % on those, but i remember that the skunkier, and faster flowering one, with the chinese-eyed happy social skunk-sativa high, tested at harvest with measurable delt-9 and cbn content, while the minty eucalyptus one, which did still have an anxiety free high, did not test for any real decarbed or broken down thc. And although very nice, was not at all a happy, chinese eyed, social high. It was nothing like those old columbian crosses or the columbian mother
Make of all that what you will, but i now have a theory, that the reason the highs of those old columbian/mexican crosses was the way it was, it because something about that raunchy skunky terp profile maybe decarbs and breaks down the THC more rapidly then oxidation while those afghani etc genes drive up the thc content. It can't be oxidation causing it, because on that true columbian, not once growing the clones did i ever see a single amber resin head until well into cure. Never didnt have delta-9 and cbn present. The test reports on those never really 100% made sense to me, but are super interesting. I assumed it was because of how long the flower took to mature. But that skunky daughter of her's was done 8wks flat post stretch, much faster then either parent thanks to f1 vigor i assume, and still tested relatively high in delta and cbn, while the slower flowering eucalyptus profile sister did not.
Hoping someone still has the true columbian so i can compare. There's no way i was the last one with that plant lol. Right?
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There's plenty of pure Old Colombian strains around.
I got pure Mangobiche colombian seeds
If you are interested to give a try one day
Tlatoani77
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This passion I have for landrace cannabis has motivated me to research and seek out the true origin of Mexican creole strains. This is a strain I've been tracking for years (since 2020), and it's been quite an adventure, especially dangerous and adrenaline-filled, since it's well-known that the Mexican narco is very secretive and violent, and doesn't allow "loiterers"; the police are just as dangerous (corrupt)…
Anyway, despite all this, the goal was achieved: here's one of the most mythical Mexican motas of all time. Just mentioning its nickname among old-school marijuana users and some contemporary ones (not cannabis posers), brings up exciting comments about this herb, like it being the strongest they've ever tried, that it had an effect very similar to LSD, even that it was a niche weed for the most experienced users, which was sold "sinsemilla" for that niche, where they would pay $100 pesos for just a couple of joints…
"Caca de chango" is a strain from the mountain region of Guerrero; as mentioned in the first paragraph, an exceptional landrace. It has "flavors-odors" of wood with a sweet fruity background, also humidity, grass, seasoned with earthy notes, some phenotypes have a subtle cat piss flavor; all of this shows that landraces can have complex and very differentiated flavors and aromas from the common ranges of flavors: afghani/skunk, og, and haze. The buds are what give it its name, since the flowers have a ball shape with a "point" resembling the feces of said animal. Its effect is strong and long-lasting, euphoric, thoughtful, motivating, energetic, trippy, and happy. At times the effect is similar to LSD: right at the beginning after several puffs, it rises abruptly and can induce psychedelic effects that range from intensifying colors, to resembling the "wave" effect of LSD, presenting light to intense "flashbacks", and provoking a yellow/opaque aura in the ambient light followed by an euphoria that accelerates the heart rate, experienced just as I write these lines; the effect has no ceiling…
Very good weed for working, socializing, doing tasks, going on adventures, or practicing some sport. NFSOT just for info and preservation for scientific purposes.
Without a doubt, one of the best Mexican weeds!
Anyway, despite all this, the goal was achieved: here's one of the most mythical Mexican motas of all time. Just mentioning its nickname among old-school marijuana users and some contemporary ones (not cannabis posers), brings up exciting comments about this herb, like it being the strongest they've ever tried, that it had an effect very similar to LSD, even that it was a niche weed for the most experienced users, which was sold "sinsemilla" for that niche, where they would pay $100 pesos for just a couple of joints…
"Caca de chango" is a strain from the mountain region of Guerrero; as mentioned in the first paragraph, an exceptional landrace. It has "flavors-odors" of wood with a sweet fruity background, also humidity, grass, seasoned with earthy notes, some phenotypes have a subtle cat piss flavor; all of this shows that landraces can have complex and very differentiated flavors and aromas from the common ranges of flavors: afghani/skunk, og, and haze. The buds are what give it its name, since the flowers have a ball shape with a "point" resembling the feces of said animal. Its effect is strong and long-lasting, euphoric, thoughtful, motivating, energetic, trippy, and happy. At times the effect is similar to LSD: right at the beginning after several puffs, it rises abruptly and can induce psychedelic effects that range from intensifying colors, to resembling the "wave" effect of LSD, presenting light to intense "flashbacks", and provoking a yellow/opaque aura in the ambient light followed by an euphoria that accelerates the heart rate, experienced just as I write these lines; the effect has no ceiling…
Very good weed for working, socializing, doing tasks, going on adventures, or practicing some sport. NFSOT just for info and preservation for scientific purposes.
Without a doubt, one of the best Mexican weeds!
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The real deal!This passion I have for landrace cannabis has motivated me to research and seek out the true origin of Mexican creole strains. This is a strain I've been tracking for years (since 2020), and it's been quite an adventure, especially dangerous and adrenaline-filled, since it's well-known that the Mexican narco is very secretive and violent, and doesn't allow "loiterers"; the police are just as dangerous (corrupt)…
Anyway, despite all this, the goal was achieved: here's one of the most mythical Mexican motas of all time. Just mentioning its nickname among old-school marijuana users and some contemporary ones (not cannabis posers), brings up exciting comments about this herb, like it being the strongest they've ever tried, that it had an effect very similar to LSD, even that it was a niche weed for the most experienced users, which was sold "sinsemilla" for that niche, where they would pay $100 pesos for just a couple of joints…
"Caca de chango" is a strain from the mountain region of Guerrero; as mentioned in the first paragraph, an exceptional landrace. It has "flavors-odors" of wood with a sweet fruity background, also humidity, grass, seasoned with earthy notes, some phenotypes have a subtle cat piss flavor; all of this shows that landraces can have complex and very differentiated flavors and aromas from the common ranges of flavors: afghani/skunk, og, and haze. The buds are what give it its name, since the flowers have a ball shape with a "point" resembling the feces of said animal. Its effect is strong and long-lasting, euphoric, thoughtful, motivating, energetic, trippy, and happy. At times the effect is similar to LSD: right at the beginning after several puffs, it rises abruptly and can induce psychedelic effects that range from intensifying colors, to resembling the "wave" effect of LSD, presenting light to intense "flashbacks", and provoking a yellow/opaque aura in the ambient light followed by an euphoria that accelerates the heart rate, experienced just as I write these lines; the effect has no ceiling…
Very good weed for working, socializing, doing tasks, going on adventures, or practicing some sport. NFSOT just for info and preservation for scientific purposes.
Without a doubt, one of the best Mexican weeds!
Right there!
Thanks for share
Tlatoani77
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Hi bro!The real deal!
Right there!
Thanks for share
Thanks for your contributions too, I've read almost the entire thread (haha), and your contributions have been very helpful in my search for Mexican creoles I'm eager to learn more about your experience with Mexican landraces…
53grayeyes
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You have picked the right guy to follow. He is very valuable to this community and we appreciate him.Hi bro!
Thanks for your contributions too, I've read almost the entire thread (haha), and your contributions have been very helpful in my search for Mexican creoles I'm eager to learn more about your experience with Mexican landraces…
Hasch
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Thanks for sharing @Tlatoani77 
