The Lounge : Growers Round Table Discussion Thread

[jidoka]

Thank you OO. That explains a lot

 

[jidoka]

So ima get honest. I want to add K to veg. But all of the usual fertigation suspects bring anions I don’t want...sulfate, phosphate, silicate, etc

Is foliar glycine an option?

 

[paradoxlost]

Foliar in kelp. Many different forms, soluble and contains other beneficial compounds that help fight disease

 

[jidoka]

That is an option. Thanks

 

[paradoxlost]

They did fruit studies where kelp increases shelf life and decreases waste on delivery

 

[Teddybrae]

Guys ... check out www.nutri-tech.com.au for descriptions of various far out kelp products. I think they sell in U.S. too. cheers ...

 

[Only Ornamental]

Is foliar glycine an option?

Not really.... sorry for the short answer, gotta go to wor. More later

 

[Avenger]

ammonia(NH3) is neither cation(positively charged) nor anion(negatively charged) it is Neutral

ammonium(NH4+)is a cation

fucking semantics(word definitions)

 

[Avenger]

if mass is energy, then please define mass for me? so I can understand what you are talking about when you say energy?

 

[paradoxlost]

mass is a bodies ability to resist force and energy, so that would make it its antithesis. If anything mass contains energy in the form of bonds or subatomic particles.

 

[jidoka]

Just trying to understand reams cause his stuff works. I will quit saying energy

https://aglabs.com/newsletters-international-ag-labs/energy-concepts.html

 

[MrBungle]

I think of a root ball as a big complex battery that constantly uses energy and stores energy for the future. Nutrients and light are what charges the battery...

 

[paradoxlost]

I figured god does everything so I just put the pots in the basemen and pray for rain

 

[Only Ornamental]

I figured god does everything so I just put the pots in the basemen and pray for rain

Just remember, these days it's ramadan, it only rains after sundown .

 

[paradoxlost]

What a lazy piece of shit

 

[ledo]

Basically if you accept his premise that no3, Ca and k are the main veg energies and that nh4 (or now amino chelates N) and phosphate are the flowering energies the rest comes down to Mulder’s chart

In soil you find the balance of those and turn it loose. But in light media can I cheat just a bit or will I cause a hormone imbalance?

More testing.

Good post


please don't overlook the critical importance of Ca in flower and fruiting. I hear you that it drives growth but flowers or fruit w/out enough of it are fairly obvious to spot

 

[jidoka]

So with Ca...growing the strains I grow and following vpd...I find that I can easily get enough Ca through fertigation in veg

If I leave the level alone I see a big drop in top leaf and forming bud tissue during stretch. A big drop.

Then around week 4 it starts climbing back into a good range. The last 3 weeks it climbs too high

 

[moose eater]

Posted above is the analysis I received today. It came in as 1.4 MB, was turned into a 'paint' image jpeg, then resized to suit.

Hopefully it can be made readable for folks./

The 'Wiggle' category is 'Wiggle Worm' EWCs, the 'Soilless' is my current mix. The 'Wonder' is 'Wonder Worm' EWC. And 'Roots Or' is 'Roots Organic' EWC.

Any helpful insight to this would be very welcome.

Please.

And thanks.

 

[moose eater]

I've never posted a pic of my plants here; not in three memberships under the same handle, over the course of about a decade.

But for any skeptics, as well as for those who might want to see what a more recent organic mix yielded, with new lighting (a single 315cmh in a 4'x4'x6.5' area; no additional lighting), new mix, and a first-time effort with GTH#1, here ya' go...

And yes, she's a quality smoke, for certain. And a decent producer, too. She just needs more 'crutches' than some.

 

[Arnold.]

For your current mix what I see is this:

- P<<<K!
- I didn't run the numbers, but at first sight I would suspect you can up Ca as well with that Mg level

and Micro's:
- Fe/Mn > 0.8
- B < 4
- Cu < 14
- Zn < 10%P

All the EWC's have a lot more K than P.

I think for example bonemeal (P, Ca, N) could benefit you.
But I would recommend running the numbers. You can download my excel file a few pages back if you want to use that as a starting point.