The Haze Hybrid Thread

[ojd]

Diotte's Outback #8 x Silk S starting to slow down on the stretch at w7. This #11 was the same size as the Plant in the 1 gallon when it went into flower.

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Outstanding structure and open canopy imparted by the NH21 with branches nearly as long as the plant is tall.

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Aside from welcome surprises The goal of the project is to keep Dwight NH21 dominant Outback in tact and adding Very high ocimene levels and little else

Ocimene is a common denominator of incense hazes. Ocimene when fresh is a light herbaceous with a touch of sweetness and orange peel. When ignited it becomes a refined dank frankincense that permeates and saturates the room like a temple. It is almost indistinguishable from frankincense essential oil in a vaporizer.

SILK S has 2-5 times the ocimene of CBH, Nigerian haze and Bandaid types with little else. The little else is as important as the high levels. This adds the frankincense without significant alterations to the other parent letting it take center.

She is zero CBD and was in the top 2 for CBG in the last 2 Piffcons

Just like the Red petiole tracks NH21, the feathery pistils of Silk S are consistently a marker for bringing record ocimene as well.

There seems to be a lot of range from the Outback haze side. Eucalyptus and pine needles opens the sinuses like Vics vapor on some. Dr pepper and maybe root beer hazy effervescence for the darker notes some wood notes and the ocimene that will become frankincense. No noticable savory haze notes like leather or livers. Still months to develop.

Maybe finish in early March.
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This looks nothing like the Outback Haze or the NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness ?

How are you guys trying to rewrite Outback Haze or NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness history ( both the wildest Sativa's most of your will ever grow) to what your showing now stone ? , nothing at all resemblance of either lineage so must be all silk coming though, as Outback Haze is an insane wild Sativa not for most and only for the diehard Sativa junkies.

Why is your plant so tame for such a wild Sativa, doesn't make any sense to me ?.

Your trying to rewrite Nevil's legendary Outback Haze strain and NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness project to this tame hybrid ?



This is Outback Haze x NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness Grown by oldcoolsativa ( a real Sativa Junkie)

How can you say this strain your running shows any of the wild Sativa traits that are known with the Outback Haze or NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness , seriously ? , point out any similar traits I'm all ears

Amazing log done by oldscoolsativa , showing the real Sativa quality's that the Outback Haze and NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness

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[Stoneguru]

This looks nothing like the Outback Haze or the NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness ?

How are you guys trying to rewrite Outback Haze or NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness history ( both the wildest Sativa's most of your will ever grow) to what your showing now stone ? , nothing at all resemblance of either lineage so must be all silk coming though, as Outback Haze is an insane wild Sativa not for most and only for the diehard Sativa junkies.

Why is your plant so tame for such a wild Sativa, doesn't make any sense to me ?.

Your trying to rewrite Nevil's legendary Outback Haze strain and NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness project to this tame hybrid ?



This is Outback Haze x NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness Grown by oldcoolsativa ( a real Sativa Junkie)

How can you say this strain your running shows any of the wild Sativa traits that are known with the Outback Haze or NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness , seriously ? , point out any similar traits I'm all ears

Thank you for the pictures and content @ojd .

It would be wonderful to have more community involvement in sharing pictures of the parental lines. I am cataloging and organizing all Outback related information and pictures on the Post in thread 'Outback Haze #8 x Silk Haze S. (Troll advisory)' https://www.icmag.com/threads/outback-haze-8-x-silk-haze-s-troll-advisory.18133276/post-18864528 thread

It is an essential part of breeding and selecting keepers from the Outback Haze lines in the future as you and Dwight make them available.

Currently the Outback offerings are all locked up in hybrids which effectively returns them to where they were before Nevil did the work. This thread can serve as a resource and aid for anyone selecting keepers or parents from Nevil's work.

This a full picture of the NH21 x MM that you posted above.

Notice the proportions of structure. Minimal branching with massive terminal flowers. Virtually minimal flower sets within the canopy, tight, fenotrigo/foxtail trait, massive yield, minimal stretch. It does look to have the spiral or helical flower sites of NH21 on the terminal flower, but not on the branches

When observing morphological traits it's important to objectively consider them rather than isolate 1 trait for omission of all others

It's also important to consider, examine, cross reference, group the traits of each parent when examining a polyhybrid.

Sharing the pictures of the parents, and links of MM and NH21, Hempy's Thai, NH36 is an essential part of the process to determining dominant traits of progeny. At time the pictures of the parents aren't available so the parental lines can be used as a crude second applying deductive reasoning

This is a picture of MM x Oaxacan
Examining Kanga's MM in this cross we can see it shares the wild fenotrigo/foxtail traits, large terminal flower. Like the NH21× MM top flower we are only given incomplete information about the plant in Doc D's picture. While this is not an Oaxacan morphology per se it would be beneficial to have more pictures of Kangas parental MM plants to further group traits. @Limeygreen , @HEMPY or anyone else have these on file? The goal of this thread is to test Outback Silk, but also use this as a resource for anyone.

Now for cross referencing traits. This is the plant that @ojd corrected me and reported was NH21×MM.
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Zoom in and examine each branch. In the lower left the branches sprawl almost as long as the plant is tall.

There is virtually no additional branching from the branches. It is uniform flower sets evenly sized and spaces all the way to the trunk. An open canopy for full light penetration. There is a slightly offset flower formation that results in a spiral or helical look. There is no indication that this particular plant has the fenotrigo/foxtail trait

Consequently Dwight was surprised that this particular plant was NH21xMM. He went into detail about how Nevil felt that the MM had a tendency to overtake the NH rather that preserve NH in the majority of the progeny The release of the MM were reportedly out of necessity and needing a car at the time.

That aside, I can see how the distinctive MM profile could significantly alter NH. This is the case with most Nevil's Haze and why he dedicated so much of his life to restoring it.

The NH21, Hempy's Thai, and NH36 pictures were all in the post above and more will be posted in this thrwad, but here is the picture of NH21 again for cross referencing morphology.

NH21 dried flower

There is no indication that NH21 was a fenotrigo flower in any way. There is also no indication that accomplishing this was high on Nevil's breeding programs hierarchy.

Examining the NH21 plant and flower reveals quite a bit. There is no Fox tailing and the helical flower site offset of the plant and dried flower depict this as well.

In contrast the NH36 below was said to be a tight faster earlier and heavier yielding version of Nevil's haze.

Hempy's picture of his Thai indicate the wild foxtailing traits you are selecting for. These traits do come up in Nevil's Haze. They are not displayed in the NH21

Here is another picture from Nevil Outback haze. Is it an open bouquet allowing for the full development of trichomes. Yes

Does it have over accentuated fenotrigo traits like MM, Hempy's Thai or even NH36 in the pictures. No. It does not

There is no indication that fenotrigo foxtail traits were central to Nevil's objectives and most of the.

In summary MM seems to contribute wild foxtail flowers, a larger terminal flower and less branching relative to NH21 and NH36.

Outback Silk structure is
×2 NH21/Outback #8
×3 NH36
×1 NH21 Silk S Synergy
×1 outlier

For reference this is Silk S from seed.

 

[harvestreaper]

i like the rusty color of the nh 21

 

[Stoneguru]

i like the rusty color of the nh 21

The NH21 has a distinct sexy slouchy swale into an upward curving swoop I like.

Hempy Thai calyx is similar. Close, but without the beanbag slouch at the base of the calyx

While the NH36 calyx in the post above is quite different.

This Alpine Haze has a similar calyx shape to the NH21.

While this one does not lol. Well hung, but not happy.

I'll post all this and more on the Outback Silk thread to not clutter this one. It would be great to have more people familiar with Nevil's Grail project to post pictures and links and help disseminate and catalog the morphologies as a resource.

 

[el mani]

Mango haze

Salu2

 

[Nexus7]

Just a couple pics for you @Stoneguru

This is @@hempy Thai x NHzf2

You can see clearly the NHz dominance in the flowers!

It's also very similar to the NH21xMM picture posted above which I feel leans heavily to the NHz side ...

 

[@hempy]

The male always dominates and more importantly carries the ancestral memory, that's why if you use a Haze as a father the off spring will lean to the Haze or even throw extremely Haze off spring.

Deliverance Thai x NH flowers heavy to the HzA side.

The Thai flowers are very different.

 

[harvestreaper]

The male always dominates and more importantly carries the ancestral memory, that's why if you use a Haze as a father the off spring will lean to the Haze or even throw extremely Haze off spring.

Deliverance Thai x NH flowers heavy to the HzA side.

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The Thai flowers are very different.

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nie,,,why is it called deliverance thai do it make ya squeal like a pig an play the banjo?lol

 

[@hempy]

nie,,,why is it called deliverance thai do it make ya squeal like a pig an play the banjo?lol

The cross is called Deliverance, and its name means a few things.

Something delivered.

Release, rescue, liberation, salvation.

 

[exoticrobotic]

A born again haze?

Like a haze should be

Power, energy and light. Connectiveness with a humble and sincere blissful glow.

 

[exoticrobotic]

i dont want to gurn but I like feeling such a rush before i exhale. wanting to squeal like a pig and play the banjo.

 

[harvestreaper]

beautiful

 

[ojd]

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Just a couple pics for you @Stoneguru

This is @@hempy Thai x NHzf2

You can see clearly the NHz dominance in the flowers!

It's also very similar to the NH21xMM picture posted above which I feel leans heavily to the NHz side ...

Now that's a Nevil Haze look , look at those foxy tails

 

[Maria Sanchez]

Summer-Fall-Winter Grow -- Maria's Haze Heaven Hacienda!

Day something something...

The last two girls at opposite edges of the big bin.
Mother was SSSTN 'Sticky' pheno, and father was the ThaiFrican.

Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil = (Swiss Thai Nevil 1 clone) x (SSSDH OJD's cut reversed)
ThaiFrican = (Outback Haze 2 clone) x (Nev Hz 23 x Kariba Male)
Or more specifically = ((Hempy's Thai x NevHz 21) x NevHz 36 rev) x (NevHz 23 x Kariba).

Since we're all talking about the Outback Haze lately....

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The Thicc Girl pheno? (more SSSDH from mom SSSTN?)

She's getting really chonky now.
Branching structure like mom SSSTN.
But flowers are thicker and heavier.

Should be a January harvest for her, probably late Jan, though may run to Feb.

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The Thai pheno? (more Thai from both parents?)

She's just a big fluffy happy flower mass!
Her circumference is bigger than my two hands can wrap around (without squeezing).

Peace and Love,
~MJS

 

[F2F]

Not the best pics, but grew some mango haze a while back, it was pretty good.

Vacuum-sealed in tight packed jars for 3yrs. Louped it and it’s still ~35-40% clear heads when u break a bud open. Rotten fruity mango terps.

Took a small hit to test…!!!!

Peace
F2F

 

[Tranquilidade]

Not the best pics, but grew some mango haze a while back, it was pretty good.

Vacuum-sealed in tight packed jars for 3yrs. Louped it and it’s still ~35-40% clear heads when u break a bud open. Rotten fruity mango terps.

Took a small hit to test…!!!!

Peace
F2F

When you vacuum-sealed do you put it in the fridge, freezer, or room temperature for long term storage?

 

[Stoneguru]

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Just a couple pics for you @Stoneguru

This is @@hempy Thai x NHzf2

You can see clearly the NHz dominance in the flowers!

It's also very similar to the NH21xMM picture posted above which I feel leans heavily to the NHz side ...

I can see the dominance of the specific Nevils Haze parent(s) that @HEMPY selected below...beyond that...

Example. When grouping morphological traits. 5 categories and 5 types within each results in over 3000 recombinations for Nevil's Haze. This includes all potentials of Colombian, Thai, Mexican, Afghani and maybe more.

In your example we have some pictures of both parents which is useful. Beyond that chaos theory applies with the only guide being our own bias.

The flower shape at the crown is more resembling Hempy's Thai at a similar stage below. and bract sequence of both seem to come in sets of 2. OJD's close up omitted the structure which did not resemble NH21 in anyway. Because we are not given all of this information we are missing critical data in every set. However, those are some of the trait comparisons with the information given.

MM bract sequence tends to be elongated uniform alternating singular like wheat. This contributes to its uniform overall appearance and bulky buds.

The specific parent selection is the most important information for tracking traits. The next useful trait information would have threshold of at least 30 grandparents. Through meticulous scientific process and recording, not gestures to a screen.

Nevil's hazes have a tendency toward alternating helical bract sequence rather than Hempy's Thai alternate sets of 2 and 1:1 alternate tendency of MM. Reference the previous post with NH36 close up of fenotrigo trait. It's not a law, but a prominent pattern that somewhat resembles the Fibonacci sequence or vortex found in nature.

These 2 plants are from the same Nevil's haze parents and consider the range. One plant was columnar, the other branchy, different in almost everyway, but bract sequence. So do I group by bract sequence shared and omit all others? That isnt science. Their effect and profile ranges from frankincense blue spruce and fruit on one to Metal on the other. Which one is NH and which one is not?

So what do our simple minds do? We go even deeper into complexity reaching through infinite recombination and call one Thai and the other Mexican off of a picture at a singular growth phase?!:. . The vanity of it all because no one can prove of disprove bullshit.

How about this hazy grinspoon below?! It's an outlier of 150 '84NL Bx3. It has recessed fenotrigo/foxtail traits yet it has Northern Light dominant in 95% for generations.

Frame/Structure, bouquet/flower morphology, node spacing, calyx type, bract sequence, pistils, flower time etc. these are all important and still become convoluted in a polyhybrid equatorial. That is why I prefer to incorporate the meristem mutations. It deepens the understanding of trade recombinations and in a relationships itself.

Below is atypical Mullumbimby Madness plant Etc. And here is the thread to Look through a dozen MM VS NH parents. It becomes apparent which traits of either parent are dominant in @ojd's MM× NH21 posting.

I see an early flowering MM type lended the calyx to leaf ratio of NH. Don't take my word for it though. Do the research and come to conclusions of your own.

Aside from Nevil's assertion that MM distinctive profile overtook NH profile it's logical that it would be a good cross.

Thread 'Kangativa's Mullumbimby Madness Grow' https://www.icmag.com/threads/kangativas-mullumbimby-madness-grow.172793/

It is meticulous recording of all parental traits within the context of holistic and expansive observation of system dynamics that can tighten the pattern of the shotgun approach of breeding and the techniques themselves.

Any narrow single facet absolutes are squeezing sand and everything else will slip through. The morphological and metabolic processes are different. A quantum computer would not be able to accurately predict a smoke report off of forum pictures so it is foolish to think we can.

The most Useful morphology information is from the specific parents selected. The rest is vanity in an infinite sea of chaos from my experience.

 

[F2F]

When you vacuum-sealed do you put it in the fridge, freezer, or room temperature for long term storage?

A dark cool closet in the basement, in a sealed bucket. I was thinking it would be no good, but was very surprised with effect. That’s when I got the loupe out haha.

These buds were jarred but I’ve got lots more of the same which were vac sealed in plastic bags like cobs. Those should be = or better.

Peace,
F2F

 

[Sub24ox7]

C99 x O. Haze
Cindy haze

O. Haze x Skunk #1 collector’s choice

 

[Tranquilidade]

C99 x O. Haze
Cindy haze
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O. Haze x Skunk #1 collector’s choice
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Sexy plants, I bet she smells amazing I'm curious about your setup, humidity levels, temperature, and feeding, your plants are quite happy at this stage, well done.