thanks for the info they sound spot on this one wernt a bad yeilder curing nicely at the moment .g13 hz x thunk
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The Haze Hybrid Thread
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thanks for the info they sound spot on this one wernt a bad yeilder curing nicely at the moment .g13 hz x thunk
that looks like a beast lg
yes, they only say it is:
Cross: Blueberry x Super Silver Haze
not specified further.. this pheno has a very interesting characteristics on the edges of the leaves, easy to recognize her amongs the others. i will put more pics about to check it closer.
Thanks for jumping in EB.
You've seen and done it all ;-)
Especially love those pics of Sammy's old garden. Is what we are seeing there the famous "outdoor run to re-invigorate the cuttings"?
Cheers
Looks good to me.
Regarding HSO Blue Dream, I have a pack of those in the fridge, and wrestled with that pedigree for a while.
In the end, I realized that Occam's Razor definitely applies here . . .
"The simplest solution is most likely the right one."
The original Blue Dream cut is not hard to get. I know people who have it in Europe. It was (and probably still is) available at Oaksterdam forever. One of the few cuts that is so common that almost every dispensary in Cali has the real thing. WHY would anyone put in the effort to copy it when they could just buy the cut for less than a bag of soil?
HSO has real working relationships with big name breeders in California. If they wanted or needed the cut, they'd have it in a matter of days.
Occam's Razor.
The company literally made their name from Feminized seeds.
IF HSO has the real cut, AND HSO are masters of reversing cannabis, THEN . . .
Occam's Razor says that HSO Blue Dream is an S1.
So . . . not every pheno of Blue Dream looks like the cut?
That is to be expected from an S1 of an F1.
We also know that the environment that a plant is grown in can significantly alter it's expression. Leaves can be wider or more narrow based on light spectrum, RH, etc. Color, terps, resin gland density. All are vary widely in different environments.
So, wide range of phenos in S1 of F1 hybrid, wide range of expression based on different environments. These things adequately explain the variation from the cut in the HSO product.
In my BD x ohaze hybrid, I picked the best of 16 for the plant I showed the pic of. What I didn't say is that the other 7 females weren't even close.
Variation in the genetics of the Blue Dream cut.
Hey, I'm not there in the HSO flower rooms when they make their seeds. I am painfully aware that unless I see it with my own eyes, I can never know for sure. But the reputation of that company is on the line with every seedline they release, especially lines that are supposed to repro a famous cutting in seed form.
Why would they take chances by using anything but the real thing? Just doesn't make sense.
That's my 2¢
Not a Nevil quote.
Old expression, even has a French version.
C'est la vie.
I liked it when Chuck Berry said it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxxrrUXKMo
Looks like it goes back to the 1800s
https://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/62/messages/348.html
Thai Haze x (sensi star x nycd):
Micro style:
Chopped:
Close up:
The T Haze I flower is 15 weeks in my micro cab and with this cross
they finish 10 weeks +/-
Crossing a T Haze x MNS White Rhino, Afghan T cross, pollen dropping as we speak.
Haze hybrids for the win.
Great thread!
Micro style:
Chopped:
Close up:
The T Haze I flower is 15 weeks in my micro cab and with this cross
they finish 10 weeks +/-
Crossing a T Haze x MNS White Rhino, Afghan T cross, pollen dropping as we speak.
Haze hybrids for the win.
Great thread!
Looks good to me.
Regarding HSO Blue Dream, I have a pack of those in the fridge, and wrestled with that pedigree for a while.
In the end, I realized that Occam's Razor definitely applies here . . .
"The simplest solution is most likely the right one."
The original Blue Dream cut is not hard to get. I know people who have it in Europe. It was (and probably still is) available at Oaksterdam forever. One of the few cuts that is so common that almost every dispensary in Cali has the real thing. WHY would anyone put in the effort to copy it when they could just buy the cut for less than a bag of soil?
HSO has real working relationships with big name breeders in California. If they wanted or needed the cut, they'd have it in a matter of days.
Occam's Razor.
The company literally made their name from Feminized seeds.
IF HSO has the real cut, AND HSO are masters of reversing cannabis, THEN . . .
Occam's Razor says that HSO Blue Dream is an S1.
So . . . not every pheno of Blue Dream looks like the cut?
That is to be expected from an S1 of an F1.
We also know that the environment that a plant is grown in can significantly alter it's expression. Leaves can be wider or more narrow based on light spectrum, RH, etc. Color, terps, resin gland density. All are vary widely in different environments.
So, wide range of phenos in S1 of F1 hybrid, wide range of expression based on different environments. These things adequately explain the variation from the cut in the HSO product.
In my BD x ohaze hybrid, I picked the best of 16 for the plant I showed the pic of. What I didn't say is that the other 7 females weren't even close.
Variation in the genetics of the Blue Dream cut.
Hey, I'm not there in the HSO flower rooms when they make their seeds. I am painfully aware that unless I see it with my own eyes, I can never know for sure. But the reputation of that company is on the line with every seedline they release, especially lines that are supposed to repro a famous cutting in seed form.
Why would they take chances by using anything but the real thing? Just doesn't make sense.
That's my 2¢
Your razor cuts both ways
I have had tons of real blue dream to smoke and its one thing
The HSO is another thing.....
But its one of those things
The leaves are dead giveaway not just to be a thin leaf but more open shape with the pencil style long leaf
The hso has more like maple leaf look in shape big fat tapered leafs
Its no doubt a hybrid of probably the real clone x ?
Its an easy one I'm familiar with it...had both
Why a hybrid of blue dream instead of S1 ?
They wanted to raise THC most likely
They may also want it to be their exclusive intellectual property while still cashing in on the 'blue dream' name
Also Humboldt Seed Organisation is based in Spain and apparently UK owned company their website wont even ship to the US
Seems like a very weird 'organization' thats either fake to begin with or sold out completely
star crash here did a good run with a real one
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=315467&page=12
Chunky pigs also
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=315467&page=19
HSO blue dream
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=331739
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Ned Kelly (December 1854 – 11 November 1880)[a] was an Australian bushranger, outlaw, gang leader and convicted police murderer. One of the last bushrangers, and by far the most famous, he is best known for wearing a suit of bulletproof armour during his final shootout with the police.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_Kelly
Accounts differ about Kelly's last words. Some newspaper reporters wrote that it was "Such is life"
Yes that is some where in the Low Lands one summer a half dozen years ago .
The old mothers reinvigorating out in the sun .
One thing I know for sure is, that I will never know for sure, what HSO Blue Dream is.
We convince ourselves that we "Know" things in the canna community all the time, when in reality we absolutely DO NOT KNOW.
I used to do it, and now I fight the urge to fall into that trap.
I'll keep my open mind, at least until after I grow out 10 or so of those HSOs.
I have yet to see anyone run more than 2 of those seeds at a time.
From my understanding genetics, the likelihood of pulling haze dom phenos from Blue Dream S1s is not good. I would expect to need at least 5seedplants to find a pheno I'd be happy with, and would prefer to run 10.
I had a friend a couple years back that had a direct channel to the head of HSO. Asked me if I had any questions for him.
I asked how they make their Blue Dream. The answer was it is an S1 of the original cut. Who knows.
Your post is a bit confusing though @herbgreen.
You say you had tons of real Blue Dream to smoke.
Have you ever GROWN real blue dream or the HSO?
I only ask because then you start talking about distinctive leaf shapes being a dead giveaway that HSO BD is not legit.
Drawing conclusions from pictures of leaves . . .
Here are a few pics of the "real" Blue Dream mother I made my seeds with in Mendo.
Are the leaves correct? What are you comparing them to?
Thanks!
I saw that, but multiple references dispute his "last words" use of the phrase as being first (assuming he said it at all.)
The reference I posted said this:
D
DNM1
D
DNM1
... and my second Killer A5 Haze,and a freebie I've had.Will check the origin/breeder of my Amnesia Haze IBLA little Killer A5 Haze for this wonderful thread
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such is life,, an old saying here in england that you still hear ,,,dont know origins
No, they dont look quite right but I can't see the whole leafs or in context to plant very well Thats the HSO ?
I figure if you had the real cut you would not be growing HSO bluedream seeds (Occam's Razor)
I had to look at quite a few known legit pics to make sure of what Im seeing
These one here are legit bluedream cut...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=315467&page=12
yes I ended up growing HSO cut by accident they look just like the plants in this link HSO blue dream
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=331739
I knew it looked not right and I was waiting for the leaf to straighten out but they never did and the smoke wasnt near what had been getting as blue dream
since moved on was long time ago
Didnt mean to hit nerve didnt realize you had used in breeding project
I didnt know you had info that it was an S1 seems like you were theorizing with 'Occam's Razor'
my guess is that its hybrid or bx
I just know what I have experienced and my comparisons
Id be glad to be wrong but Ive seen the plant all over the place and when I got that cut I kept waiting for the look which never came
Found out later that person was really growing HSO blue dream from seed!
I looked at a lot plants and a lot of pictures of plants
You cannot see the difference ?
I did not intent to hit a nerve
I Like the thread didnt know you were really that involved with the plant
In the end its the final smoke that matters not leafs
But thats me
All we can do is document experiences and knowledge
It all goes up in smoke!
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