The Haze Hybrid Thread

[Ncali]

Afghanica and equatorial seem like terms that could clarify confusion.

 

[goingrey]

How about "uppers" and "downers"?

 

[GreenAndFast]

Afghanica and equatorial seem like terms that could clarify confusion.

Great

 

[Hammerhead]

Hammer, I still think you should try a different feed for the haze's. I had more issues with todds than thh but .8-.9ec was the sweet spot. That v+b I think has too much N either way. I didnt have issues under .9ec with maxibloom even. I may try PBP soil for them next time.

Now that the test tent for LED is up it will be easier to make a batch just for haze. My 55 feed drum for flower is in my Veg room so I can adjust a bucket just for that tent, its in my veg room as well. V&B works extremely well for me so im not changing that. I have 30lb of it .. In veg I still use PBP grow.. My veg plants love it, so if it isn't broke .........


Here is a BLD type that I just found in Gorilla Butter f2 x A5hbx x Mac. Im hoping it's female. Same cross I found Destiny in which is a NLD type

 

[Chi13]

Yes. My max ec is 1.3. It's too much a pain to feed plants differently. LED requires more cal/mag and heat than CMH plants do. So far its not enough of an issue to make a different feed for LED. I just put up an 8x4 to test LED alone to figure out what they need to look like CMH.



All drug type is Indica regardless of BLD/NLD. I just went through this discussion in another thread.

This link that will explain it.
https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._indica_debate..

Broad- Leaved Drug (BLD) Type: Cannabis Indica spp. Afghanica

Plants under this category are most commonly referred to as “Indica” and are characterized by their short stature, broad leaves, high cannabinoid and terpene production, and copious resin production. As the Latin name suggests, BLD types are generally agreed to have originated either on the Asian subcontinent or possibly in Afghanistan- hence the high resin production, which protects the plants from excessive heat and frigid temperatures common in these regions. When it comes to aroma, indica strains tend to emit musty, earthy, and skunky odors due it’s terpene profile- β-myrcene, α-pinene, and camphene are the three common terpenoids found in these strains. Jean-Baptiste Lamarck, a French naturalist, was the first European botanist to classify this type in 1785.

At one time Indica strains typically contained around 15-18% total THC. However, with modern and improved cultivation methods some strains have been tested at over 30%, putting these strains’ cannabinoid content on par with Sativa strains.
Narrow- Leaved Drug (NLD) Type: Cannabis Indica spp. Indica


The Latin name may be a bit misleading, but NLD types are more commonly called “Sativa” in the commercial cannabis industry. Technically speaking, however, all THC- producing varieties of cannabis are indicas.

NLD types originate from Central and South America. This strain of cannabis is typically distinguished by its long, thin leaves, lighter color, and tall, airy buds. Plants can grow up to 20 ft tall when cultivated outdoors.

The THC of a Sativa strain will contain between 19-25% total THC while exhibiting sweet, fruity and/or spicy aromas from terpenoids such as α-terpinolene, limonene, and Linalool.

I think the majority of growers know this by now. I still use terms like sativa and indica though as they easily understood by everyone, and in colloquial terms mean the same as broad and narrow leaf.

Personally, I'd like to see classification based on effect.

 

[Hammerhead]

I think the majority of growers know this by now. I still use terms like sativa and indica though as they easily understood by everyone, and in colloquial terms mean the same as broad and narrow leaf.

Personally, I'd like to see classification based on effect.

lol, I wouldn't have posted it if it wasn't appropriate per the conversation. FYI @Bnyest posted in another thread I cut and pasted it here. Its from RC book. Many dont believe NLD is an Indica. using Sativa is a misnomer. All it means is cultivated. If you haven't read his book check it out.

 

[Chi13]

lol, I wouldn't have posted it if it wasn't appropriate per the conversation. FYI @Bnyest posted in another thread I cut and pasted it here. Its from RC book.

Yeah, I was just adding to what you said. Good information.
I interchange sativa with NLD, just because it's understood by nearly everyone.

 

[mojave green]

I think the majority of growers know this by now. I still use terms like sativa and indica though as they easily understood by everyone, and in colloquial terms mean the same as broad and narrow leaf.

Personally, I'd like to see classification based on effect.

Nope. “Effect” is waay to subjective to classify by.

 

[GreenAndFast]

Nope. “Effect” is waay to subjective to classify by.

Completely agree Mojave. My Thai X Panama is super buzzy and uplifting to me but to my friend it sends him to sleep. We both have ADHD but it works better for him I suppose. I want the electrical, buzzing, head in the clouds looking down at yourself feeling.

 

[Hammerhead]

Nope. “Effect” is waay to subjective to classify by.

Agreed, lots of us experience effects, aroma, flavors differently.

 

[mojave green]

SSSDH

 

[Thule]

I've yet to smoke one that has and that's not for trying. Anything you recommend?

I guess it has to do with the ancestor plant which contributed the wide leaf. I don't really grow Dutch/American hybrids so it might be a different story but the likes of Mextiza, Nepjam and perhaps Panama, Bangi Haze etc breed for a wider leaf but in those cases they also breed for quality.

In a landrace genepool leaf width won't even tell if it's a sativa or an indica. Plenty of wide leaf sativas out there in Asia. Too many that I might have once discarded just because of unrealistic leaf beauty standards.

 

[mojave green]

 

[GreenAndFast]

I guess it has to do with the ancestor plant which contributed the wide leaf. I don't really grow Dutch/American hybrids so it might be a different story but the likes of Mextiza, Nepjam and perhaps Panama, Bangi Haze etc breed for a wider leaf but in those cases they also breed for quality.

In a landrace genepool leaf width won't even tell if it's a sativa or an indica. Plenty of wide leaf sativas out there in Asia. Too many that I might have once discarded just because of unrealistic leaf beauty standards.

Well you have certainly changed my mind my friend. Thanks for the recommendations too. Mextiza been on my radar for a bit tbf. My Thai X Panama was on the broader side I would say.

 

[GreenAndFast]

Very distinct 7 fingered leaf on the plant though. Although my Malawi was quite thin leaved for the most part. Which was odd. Maybe my lighting is something to do with it. All my plants have very little if no food at all using reused soil.

 

[Hammerhead]

I guess it has to do with the ancestor plant which contributed the wide leaf. I don't really grow Dutch/American hybrids so it might be a different story but the likes of Mextiza, Nepjam and perhaps Panama, Bangi Haze etc breed for a wider leaf but in those cases they also breed for quality.

In a landrace genepool leaf width won't even tell if it's a sativa or an indica. Plenty of wide leaf sativas out there in Asia. Too many that I might have once discarded just because of unrealistic leaf beauty standards.

This is a very interesting subject for me.. Going back to my childhood years BLD was indica and NLD was Sativa. Most of the BLD plants would grow out of that.. Finding true BLD was not common. Everything was an NLD hybrid. Some batches from back then are still the best I've ever had. Im still chasing that quality today.

 

[GreenAndFast]

What effects are you looking for Hammerhead ?

 

[Hammerhead]

What effects are you looking for Hammerhead ?

At my age, I like mellow highs without any paranoia, nothing really strong. Awesome flavors are a big plus, it def adds to the enjoyment for me. Flavors were a big part of the weed we use to have as a kid. Those terps are what I remember most from the 70's-90's.

 

[GreenAndFast]

Would a plant high in CBD/cbg helps with this?

 

[Hammerhead]

Would a plant high in CBD/cbg helps with this?

The THC/CBD ratio used to be much better than today. Im not into just CBD other than its medical properties like an anti inflammatory. I give my dog CBD for this.