The Haze discussion thread

[willydread]

Doors by Mr Nice seeds
This is an indica, only the marvels of internet and hype can turn a hashplant into a sativa "haze A" or Haze C
Grown from seed straight 11/13 it showed sex very fast, after 45 days. Same like Ancestral Skunk, they grew side by side. Original Haze grown from seed straight 11/13 takes 90 days to show first pistils. Short plants., just a tiny little taller than Ancestral Skunk
Very interesting hashplant, very little mold or powdery mildew, theey all came out with 3 days difference and they all looked almost same same, smell same and taste same. I am not interested in a hashplant with "sativa" taste. I bought a sativa and they sold another indica, it is the last time I try Mr Nice strains, it is very interesting and good breeding for sure. But it is not my cup of coffee

Doors girl 1

Doors girl 2 full plant, about 1 meter tall, all plants look the same. Is this what you call a sativa Haze A x Haze C???

Girl 2

Girl 2 only a little mold, not bad at all for my environment, very impressed with this indica, it is very similar to Cultivators Choice Haze 5 x Skunk/Hz in structure and smells. I hope the high is a little better than Haze 5.

Doors girl 3, in the second picture you can appreciate a very little PM, not bad at all. None of my sativas make PM in my environment, indicas suffer badly here. Not bad at all for an indica.


Have a nice week everyone

It is the same situation as who will spend a lot of money in Nevil haze to find the pheno "Musashi", and will not find it ... MadMac did well, that stuff has to be crossed again in haze to get back to shine ....

 

[Sub24ox7]

Doors by Mr Nice seeds
This is an indica, only the marvels of internet and hype can turn a hashplant into a sativa "haze A" or Haze C
Grown from seed straight 11/13 it showed sex very fast, after 45 days. Same like Ancestral Skunk, they grew side by side. Original Haze grown from seed straight 11/13 takes 90 days to show first pistils. Short plants., just a tiny little taller than Ancestral Skunk
Very interesting hashplant, very little mold or powdery mildew, theey all came out with 3 days difference and they all looked almost same same, smell same and taste same. I am not interested in a hashplant with "sativa" taste. I bought a sativa and they sold another indica, it is the last time I try Mr Nice strains, it is very interesting and good breeding for sure. But it is not my cup of coffee

Doors girl 1

Doors girl 2 full plant, about 1 meter tall, all plants look the same. Is this what you call a sativa Haze A x Haze C???

Girl 2

Girl 2 only a little mold, not bad at all for my environment, very impressed with this indica, it is very similar to Cultivators Choice Haze 5 x Skunk/Hz in structure and smells. I hope the high is a little better than Haze 5.

Doors girl 3, in the second picture you can appreciate a very little PM, not bad at all. None of my sativas make PM in my environment, indicas suffer badly here. Not bad at all for an indica.


Have a nice week everyone

Looks like hashplant with some sativa in it I agree.
I had a friend grow out some more recent nevils haze from them and it’s not sativa or at least to my definition of sativa leaning. Good stuff to be found honestly just seems to all be selected more towards indica.
Definitely wasn’t like the nh used to be. Idk

 

[harvestreaper]

am i missing something ,,,,doors is haze x sk x haze x nl idont get the confusuion ? ,,,its a great strain to cross to sativas /hybrids

 

[Sub24ox7]

Honestly didn’t know what was in doors but, I was referring to the nevils haze from them with regards to selecting towards indica and it not being what it used to be.

 

[star crash]

Mac’s is 1/4 Doors & 3/4’s Haze …fwiw Massive vigor massive growth with hybrid buds & buzz and pretty fast to finish when compared to Haze…..There’s a lot of people out there that would want a plant like that

 

[funkyhorse]

am i missing something ,,,,doors is haze x sk x haze x nl idont get the confusuion ? ,,,its a great strain to cross to sativas /hybrids

Good evening harvestreaper
The doors is a hashplant. They can tell haze A x B x C x Z but it is an indica hashplant. I absolutely have no doubts it must make excellent tasty hash.
I will give it one more month cure before I decide what to do with this, if to keep the buds or to send it to the tumbler

Probably most hashplants are great to cross with sativas/hybrids. But I discovered growing the crosses I am making I dont like indica x sativa. I like sativa x sativa
Pedigree in general in the canna world is totally doubtful and not reliable
This is what happens when the most renowned seedbanks bullshit so much with descriptions

Haze become a trademark name for bullshitting, you have hashplants called haze and pure long flowering sativas called haze and a range of indica/sativa crosses called haze in the middle and it seems if you call your peanut butter strain peanut butter haze, sales jump up compared to for instance if you call it peanut butter kush auto

Harvestreaper, if this world would be an easy place for exchanging stuff, I would trade 5 of these Doors seeds originals or `10 of my F2s for one of your hybridized skunkized paraguayans

 

[funkyhorse]

Mac’s is 1/4 Doors & 3/4’s Haze …fwiw Massive vigor massive growth with hybrid buds & buzz and pretty fast to finish when compared to Haze…..There’s a lot of people out there that would want a plant like that

Yeah man, I used MadMac ohz for crosses and it gives amazing vigour and buzz to most of the strains I am trying. And sometimes if you cross it to a real haze of old, you might hit jackpot. I know it is pretty fast to finnish. I dont care for that, I am not commercial grower. I am looking for the high of the 80s and modern breeding is a disaster, its gone away from that.
In a normal world, sativas should be grown in the tropics and be another export commodity like coffee, bananas, soybean, etc, etc. And indicas grown in proper environments, not in the tropics where they need extra lighting

Up to me a good sativa can grow from equinox to equinox outdoors like old paraguayans or like Hempy has said his Thai 78 is. Modern breeding has diluted the quality of ganja, trying to breed sativas that can grow in Greenland and Alaska indoors, do you think you will get a decent high out of that?
To grow indoors in tents is an amazing waste of world resources, it is absolutely antieconomic. This can only happen in a psychopatic world where lawmakers are firm believers that wine is Jesus blood and ganja is the most dangerous of drugs. These lawmakers are bloodsuckers in my book

When OJD complains about SamS Ohz not being kept clones and all that shit when he never grew it, if he would grow it he would understand that original haze is 100% outdoor variety and in order to grow it indoors properly you need to be a master grower genius, because world markets are in latitude 50 north and northern than that, the only way you can have an impact selling "sativas" is taming them to be able to be grown indoors by the average Joe and doing the great Mr Nice move and telling the world they are selling the super sativa strain when they give an indica bullshit which you will be able to grow indoors, no problem

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

some more pics of pheno 7 @ 23 weeks for your perusal

Wow wow

 

[Hammerhead]

Why are you guys calling that pheno a hash plant? Does she give an Indica High?, Hashplant haze perhaps ?. The structure is not Indica. Lots of phenos can grow like a SAT but smoke like a indy. I'm super curious what else would you consider a hash plant?.

 

[harvestreaper]

Good evening harvestreaper
The doors is a hashplant. They can tell haze A x B x C x Z but it is an indica hashplant. I absolutely have no doubts it must make excellent tasty hash.
I will give it one more month cure before I decide what to do with this, if to keep the buds or to send it to the tumbler

Probably most hashplants are great to cross with sativas/hybrids. But I discovered growing the crosses I am making I dont like indica x sativa. I like sativa x sativa
Pedigree in general in the canna world is totally doubtful and not reliable
This is what happens when the most renowned seedbanks bullshit so much with descriptions

Haze become a trademark name for bullshitting, you have hashplants called haze and pure long flowering sativas called haze and a range of indica/sativa crosses called haze in the middle and it seems if you call your peanut butter strain peanut butter haze, sales jump up compared to for instance if you call it peanut butter kush auto

Harvestreaper, if this world would be an easy place for exchanging stuff, I would trade 5 of these Doors seeds originals or `10 of my F2s for one of your hybridized skunkized paraguayans

good evening funky horse ,,interesting i see what you mean and agree would make lovelly hash but i think your pushing it a lil far calling it a hashplant ,,sure they are resinous an show indica traits but this i sexpected knowing the genetics and in that respect i found them as advertised ,,,some had decent potencty with sat dom effect ,,,are they like pure sativas of course not but there not advertised as such i bought a pack when he first released the cross i crossed to indian haze and jonny blaze and some outdoor northen stuff all the crosses came out as expected with

some of the jonny blaze x doors being pure indica looking others more sat hybrid i would agree on my skunkized hybridised paraguans tho ,,truth hurts lol

 

[RingtailCanyon]

Doors is NLHz x NLHz/SkHz. 50% sativa/50%indica polyhybrid.
any pictures of the indica Nevils haze from mrnice Sub24ox?

 

[Sub24ox7]

Unfortunately no but it was 3 years ago and they definitely did not look like what Hempy has or what I remember seeing in high times late 90’s.

 

[funkyhorse]

Doors is NLHz x NLHz/SkHz. 50% sativa/50%indica polyhybrid.
any pictures of the indica Nevils haze from mrnice Sub24ox?

This is from the Nevil Haze from MrNice I grew

I would like to grow the Nevil Haze Royal Flush shows in his album or the one Leet has grown
I would not mind at all to try Hempy's
I am honestly curious, it has excellent reviews from you guys but today all this has become a fable

There are a lot of words but very little actions
I think the best tribute all of you guys can do to Nevil is to release the best Nevil Haze version for everybody to try it and judge for themselves. Until then it is all a fable

 

[Sub24ox7]

Totally, only way is to release and judge. That is close to what they looked like from memory.

 

[funkyhorse]

Why are you guys calling that pheno a hash plant? Does she give an Indica High?, Hashplant haze perhaps ?. The structure is not Indica. Lots of phenos can grow like a SAT but smoke like a indy. I'm super curious what else would you consider a hash plant?.

I call a hashplant any plant that you can make a lot of hash out of it, like most of the strains you show for instance
I am hash lover, I smoked and sliced real hash with my own burnt knifes like the one in the picture

I dont like to smoke hashplants nor hashplant x sativa hybrids as ganja. Most of them have down, I am understanding you guys call it body. But as hash I love them. Specially when I roll it on a matress of good quality ganja

My problem is what I call hash and what you call hash are 2 different things. I smoked a lot of charas and it has an amazing uplifting high
This is lebanese from the 80s. This stuff was uplifting and dreamy. In the picture what you see is roughly a little less than 50 grams. You can see the sack shape of it on the round border on the left. It was covered in a sackcloth and I really miss this stuff. I used to slice one sack a week, you dont know how delicious it was these real lebanese hash burnt on the knife, I only understand today what a luxury it was, back then I was absolutely unaware of the jewel I was burning
Picture taken from mexcurandero420 instagram. Man, you should make a thread with these pics, you have the best instagram I know of.

 

[@hempy]

The Nevils Haze i grow are what i remember Nevils Haze to be.

I gave plenty of F2 seed to friends and they shared with people i dont know and the feed back i got back was this weeds high is like speed this from old Sativa growers.

Even a 50% haze hybrid should have more sat to it than not.

50% Haze

 

[Chi13]

I think if you are chasing that sativa high from the 70s or 80s (or earlier), then almost any indica detracts from it. I visited parts of North America a few years ago and was very disappointed in what I bought labelled sativa, included a few different hazes, diesels, even Africans. They all had that indica come down and heaviness. The indica's on the other hand were superb, just not my go to high. Couldn't wait to get back to my homegrown.

I do like hybrids and indica's. They have their place and I grow and consume them, but I'm still searching for a high that I experience from yesteryear. Found it in Laos several years ago, from pot grown in a third world country, no seedbank hybrid. I am now growing a Laos/ haze hybrid that is very promising from early smoke test and a couple of pure sativas.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Why are you guys calling that pheno a hash plant? Does she give an Indica High?, Hashplant haze perhaps ?. The structure is not Indica. Lots of phenos can grow like a SAT but smoke like a indy. I'm super curious what else would you consider a hash plant?.

There are very sativa leaning hash plants used in traditional hash making cultures. Doesn’t all have to be 100% indica, so I agree. What’s in the actual high…or stone as it were.

Re. Original haze, it really does seem best and in full effect grown outdoors. I’m lucky to be able to get away with her flowering until early January at parallel 33. Would definitely depend where as micro climates around here would dictate whether you should have her covered for the last month or two. Of course, particular phenos and the amount of rain in a given winter also make a difference.

 

[Hammerhead]

I call a hashplant any plant that you can make a lot of hash out of it, like most of the strains you show for instance
I am hash lover, I smoked and sliced real hash with my own burnt knifes like the one in the picture

I dont like to smoke hashplants nor hashplant x sativa hybrids as ganja. Most of them have down, I am understanding you guys call it body. But as hash I love them. Specially when I roll it on a matress of good quality ganja

My problem is what I call hash and what you call hash are 2 different things. I smoked a lot of charas and it has an amazing uplifting high
This is lebanese from the 80s. This stuff was uplifting and dreamy. In the picture what you see is roughly a little less than 50 grams. You can see the sack shape of it on the round border on the left. It was covered in a sackcloth and I really miss this stuff. I used to slice one sack a week, you dont know how delicious it was these real lebanese hash burnt on the knife, I only understand today what a luxury it was, back then I was absolutely unaware of the jewel I was burning

Hash isn't popular here in the USA anymore.. aside from that I was just curious to see that get the label. for me that pheno wouldn't be a hash plant.

There are very sativa leaning hash plants used in traditional hash making cultures. Doesn’t all have to be 100% indica, so I agree. What’s in the actual high…or stone as it were.

Re. Original haze, it really does seem best and in full effect grown outdoors. I’m lucky to be able to get away with her flowering until early January at parallel 33. Would definitely depend where as micro climates around here would dictate whether you should have her covered for the last month or two. Of course, particular phenos and the amount of rain in a given winter also make a difference.

I've seen lots labeled hash plants. What I consider a hash plant isn't pictured in this thread. I've not seen any haze plants that would be considered hash plants yet.. It's why I was curious.

 

[Piff_cat]

Nevils haze plants hold recessive genotypes, allozyme alleles, cbg synthases associated with North east asian var indica hemp type ex. with vietnam, korea , Japan. Dj9 was the first to recognize these profiles he has first person info on tge progenitors. These plants are dalat and killer a5 by unique flower. I don't have experience growing onhaze. Do these genotypes pop up?