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[@hempy]

I never knew Colombian Red was called Puntos Rojos

 

[funkyhorse]

I never knew Colombian Red was called Puntos Rojos

Gday Hempy
I never knew Punto Rojo was called colombian red and I am afraid everything is pretty much distorted today because Punto Rojo is extinct and the only thing surviving carrying that name are the hybridized plants rescued during the 21st century in Colombia which are Punto Rojo hybridized with crippy weed which is the name of the hybrid strain that took over all of Colombia and is what is grown today
Punto Rojo production probably stopped begining of 90s. By the milennia it was all hybridized, same thing happened in Paraguay which is the major ganja producer in South America

I bought a supposedly colombian red hybrid sold as Punto Rojo hybrid from Bodhi and what I got is an afghan looking plant with an indica high
This is the same as buying a Thai Stick hybrid and getting indica plants. Real Punto Rojo should be dominant in crosses

Back in the 20th century, in South America you were able to get colombian brick and it always came with seeds crashed and/or pressed in it. A small % of those seeds did germinate and the plants obtained were all thin leaf plants looking same same, not like today brick when you germinate seeds from it and what you obtain is a phenotype carnival of indicas

Punto Rojo is the best there ever was, the best there ever be and the best there ever will be

 

[@hempy]

Hiya funkyhorse and thank you for that information.

We had it imported in here and grown locally here to for commercial sale and home growers growing it for personal use. I last saw it available commercially early 90s as a guess but you had to know the right people to get it.

We just called it Colombian Red i had never heard it called Puntos Rojos until Montuno post above.

I have one it grows viney and has very dark green leaf almost black.

 

[CannaT]

NL5 x O.Haze

 

[Montuno]

I never knew Colombian Red was called Puntos Rojos

Punto Rojo colombiana:
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http://strains.io/info/Cannabiogen/Colombia_Punto_Rojo/

Otros ejemplos (no digo que sean exactamente lo mismo...pero probablemente si):

Other examples (I'm not saying they are exactly the same...but they probably are):

-Dorada de Santa Marta, Moño amarillo de Santa Marta: Colombian Gold, Santa Marta Gold.
-Dorada de Guerrero: Acapulco Gold
-Torreón púrpura : Zacatecas Purple
-La negra de Manizales: Colombian Black
-Jarilla de Sinaloa: Sinaloa Lambsbread
-Cabeza de negro, Cabeza de prieto; (del portugués original) : Bahía Black
-Punto Rojo panameña: Panama Red
-Corinto púrpura : Colombian Purple, Purple Colombian
(...)

 

[Thule]

It's hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that the oldtimers were able to loose all those pure NLD genetics even though the buds most often came heavily seeded. That must have been billions of seeds wasted every year. But then again not everyone is a seed addict like me.

 

[harvestreaper]

It's hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that the oldtimers were able to loose all those pure NLD genetics even though the buds most often came heavily seeded. That must have been billions of seeds wasted every year. But then again not everyone is a seed addict like me.

people will def be holding the lines privatley

 

[star crash]

Star crash wants to do another skinny Leaf contest the winner gets a 50 seed pack of Original Haze genetics....It can be any strain of any marijuana the skinny leaf gets the prizeHas to be personally grown by the contestants

 

[yesum]

There have to be old time genetics in some one's hand, but getting them is another thing/ referring to Punto Rojo being lost. The OH is good enough for me as a Punto Rojo type and also the PR from ACE, though the one plant I grew did not give me a great high. The Indian lines are good enough too, they were involved with PR I think. I do not mean directly but having the original genetics from which all the Colombians and others developed.

 

[Montuno]

Gday Hempy
I never knew Punto Rojo was called colombian red and I am afraid everything is pretty much distorted today because Punto Rojo is extinct and the only thing surviving carrying that name are the hybridized plants rescued during the 21st century in Colombia which are Punto Rojo hybridized with crippy weed which is the name of the hybrid strain that took over all of Colombia and is what is grown today
Punto Rojo production probably stopped begining of 90s. By the milennia it was all hybridized, same thing happened in Paraguay which is the major ganja producer in South America

I bought a supposedly colombian red hybrid sold as Punto Rojo hybrid from Bodhi and what I got is an afghan looking plant with an indica high
This is the same as buying a Thai Stick hybrid and getting indica plants. Real Punto Rojo should be dominant in crosses

Back in the 20th century, in South America you were able to get colombian brick and it always came with seeds crashed and/or pressed in it. A small % of those seeds did germinate and the plants obtained were all thin leaf plants looking same same, not like today brick when you germinate seeds from it and what you obtain is a phenotype carnival of indicas

Punto Rojo is the best there ever was, the best there ever be and the best there ever will be

Punto Rojo colombiana y Mangobiche colombiana, outdoor on Manizales:
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https://www.icmag.com/forum/ic-magaz...izales-2000mts

 

[funkyhorse]

Star crash wants to do another skinny Leaf contest the winner gets a 50 seed pack of Original Haze genetics....It can be any strain of any marijuana the skinny leaf gets the prizeHas to be personally grown by the contestants

Seed was made when I fingered a NL5xH F4 bud with some pollen collected from different Seedsman Hz x Ohz90 males, the famous finger fuck
Lucky thin leaf surviving predators indoors

And this is the small bud she makes which will be smoked or vaped by myself as well. For this plant there was not hybrid vigour

Question to all the haze experts: all 4 plants from this cross I am trying look different but they all smell the same and smell is like moms bud taste.
Does this mean they will all smoke the same despite the phenotypical differences, genotype might be the same?

Montuno
en las fotos todo luce de maravillas. La gran pregunta es si esas plantas colocan como las Punto Rojo de los 80s o si la genetica está lavada
Y si esas plantas colocan como las de los 80s, por que carajo la genetica no esta disponible???
A nadie le interesa hoy Punto Rojo, no vale un carajo. No tiene valor comercial una genetica que no es adaptable a indoors y que encima no es rapida y que solo puede ser cultivada correctamente por alguien con mucha pasion porque hoy en pleno siglo XXI entrada ya la tercer decada, pasta el cultivo de Punto Rojo no deja

Punto Rojo might have adapted to someones garden and might have been kept as heirloom but I dont think is the same as the times when it was landrace, everybody in Colombia grew it and competition in order to obtain an extra buck was for the best quality
But the times when Punto Rojo was the strain grown all over and was made amazing bricks from are gone together with the knowledge of how to make those bricks
Punto Rojo as the colombian national landrace is extinct as a result of the War on Drugs together with the most valuable sativa landraces from this planet
Whatever might have survived that massacre has adapted to their new habitats

 

[star crash]

Nice NLD funky horse will leave this little (for fun) contest open for one week …there’s a guaranteed winner No matter how few entries

 

[Montuno]

Montuno
en las fotos todo luce de maravillas. La gran pregunta es si esas plantas colocan como las Punto Rojo de los 80s o si la genetica está lavada
Y si esas plantas colocan como las de los 80s, por que carajo la genetica no esta disponible???
A nadie le interesa hoy Punto Rojo, no vale un carajo. No tiene valor comercial una genetica que no es adaptable a indoors y que encima no es rapida y que solo puedA nadie le interesa hoy Punto Rojo, no vale un carajo. No tiene valor comercial una genetica que no es adaptable a indoors y que encima no es rapida y que solo puede ser cultivada correctamente por alguien con mucha pasion porque hoy en pleno siglo XXI entrada ya la tercer decada, pasta el cultivo de Punto Rojo no deja

Punto Rojo might have adapted to someones garden and might have been kept as heirloom but I dont think is the same as the times when it was landrace, everybody in Colombia grew it and competition in order to obtain an extra buck was for the best quality
But the times when Punto Rojo was the strain grown all over and was made amazing bricks from are gone together with the knowledge of how to make those bricks
Punto Rojo as the colombian national landrace is extinct as a result of the War on Drugs together with the most valuable sativa landraces from this planet
Whatever might have survived that massacre has adapted to their new habitats

...No sé si quizá deberíamos tener esta conversación en el hilo en español...

Me preguntas:
​"​​​​en las fotos todo luce de maravillas. La gran pregunta es si esas plantas colocan como las Punto Rojo de los 80s o si la genetica está lavada
Y si esas plantas colocan como las de los 80s, por que carajo la genetica no esta disponible???"

Mi respuesta: Lo mismo podrías preguntar sobre la O.Haze, pues este es el hilo apropiado, no?: Es la misma que la de los Hermanos Haze? Coloca igual? Y si es así...por qué coño la genética no está a la venta por todos lados?...
O de muchas paisanas (landraces) supuestas o reales que ofertan ciertos bancos.

De todas formas, tu mismo das la clave real:
"No ​​​​​​tiene valor comercial una genetica que no es adaptable a indoors y que encima no es rapida y que solo puede ser cultivada correctamente por alguien con mucha pasion porque hoy en pleno siglo XXI entrada ya la tercer decada, pasta el cultivo de Punto Rojo no deja"(no deja dinero el vender sus cogollos)

​​​Y sobre lo que dices de la hierba enladrillada (para mí una horrible manera de conservar la marihuana, solo explicable por la necesidad de venderlas), quizá se un juicio como el de la total extinción de la Punto Rojo, pues al menos, creo recordar, al menos en México mi amigo sinaloa muestra ladrillos de verde como para construir muros...

...I don't know if maybe we should have this conversation in the Spanish thread?

You ask me:
"in the pictures everything looks great. The big question is if those plants are as high as the Red Dot plants from the 80s or if the genetics are washed out.
And if those plants place like the ones from the 80s, why the fuck are the genetics not available?".

My answer: You could ask the same question about the O.Haze, because this is the appropriate thread, isn't it: Is it the same as the Haze Brothers? Does it strain the same? And if so...why the fuck the genetics are not for sale everywhere.....
Or of many supposed or real countrywomen (landraces) that offer certain banks.

In any case, you yourself give the real key:
"It has no commercial value a genetics that is not adaptable to indoors and that on top of that is not fast and that can only be cultivated correctly by someone with a lot of passion because today in the 21st century in the third decade, the cultivation of Red Dot does not leave money to sell its buds".

And about what you say about the bricked weed (for me a horrible way to preserve marijuana, only explainable by the need to sell them), maybe it will be a judgment as the total extinction of the Red Dot, because at least, I seem to remember, becouse at least in México, my friend sinaloa shows bricks of green to build walls...

 

[Montuno]

Me estoy acordando ahora, primo funkyhorse , de un bonito hilo, no recuerdo si aquí en Icmag o en el Cannabiscafé español, un criador español (no recuerdo si quizá @kaiki o @dubi) mostraba uno de sus varios viajes a Colombia... Hablaban mucho de la Punto Rojo, y creo recordar pequeñas "notas de cata" hasta de un jachís que hizo con ella (creo recordar que sus anfitriones colombian@s no sabían hacer jachís)...

I'm remembering now, cousin funkyhorse , a nice thread, I don't remember if here in Icmag or in the Spanish Cannabiscafé, a Spanish breeder (I don't remember if maybe @kaiki or @dubi) was showing one of his several trips to the mountains of Colombia... They talked a lot about the Punto Rojo, and I seem to remember little "tasting notes" even of a hashish he made with it (I seem to remember his Colombian hosts didn't know how to make hashish)....

 

[g0dzilla]

Star crash wants to do another skinny Leaf contest the winner gets a 50 seed pack of Original Haze genetics....It can be any strain of any marijuana the skinny leaf gets the prizeHas to be personally grown by the contestants

star - thinnest I have at the moment but these are panama piff or piffs1 x panama red organically grown.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Star crash wants to do another skinny Leaf contest the winner gets a 50 seed pack of Original Haze genetics....It can be any strain of any marijuana the skinny leaf gets the prizeHas to be personally grown by the contestants

An we can put the pictures up here ?

 

[@hempy]

Here is an up date on the girls i got a little artistic and did a few in black and white.

The plant i call the HzA leaner is about 9ft tall so had to bend and train still stretching as is the other.

The plant i call the HzC leaner

Group shot

I could of got them even larger and a lot more flower mass but it has been starting to get very warm so just crammed them in together under a 600 HPS to limit the heat.

This ones for Star thin leaf contest from the HzA leaner.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Here is an up date on the girls i got a little artistic and did a few in black and white.

The plant i call the HzA leaner is about 9ft tall so had to bend and train still stretching as is the other.



The plant i call the HzC leaner



Group shot



I could of got them even larger and a lot more flower mass but it has been starting to get very warm so just crammed them in together under a 600 HPS to limit the heat.

This ones for Star thin leaf contest from the HzA leaner.

Wtf you done there hempy.....they've grow mad....an fast.....there reaching out everywhere...Should be cool to see what you come up with back over there.

 

[@hempy]

Setting the timer to 11/13 from 7/17 was key lol.

The seed run had me scratching my head as they acted nothing like the F1s but now with the timer set right the plant called HzA leaner acts like her parents.

The HzC keener is a gift as in all the NH i ever ran i never had any plant with a hint of Mango smell let alone a full on Mango smelling Nevils Haze.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Setting the timer to 11/13 from 7/17 was key lol.

The seed run had me scratching my head as they acted nothing like the F1s but now with the timer set right the plant called HzA leaner acts like her parents.

The HzC keener is gift as in all the NH i ever ran i never had any plant with a hint of Mango smell let alone a full on Mango smelling Nevils Haze.

You got me jell now....I just lost a f1nh (bout3-4months back)exactly like your A plant.....it crapped out on me few weeks into flower....oh well you win some an you lose some hey.....luckily I got one more come up after ages....but the thing is proper slow yet...so we'l see.

I normally flower mine on 10/14.....some still take ages...I sometimes get miffed at how some people are flowering some so fast....
You been looking for a mango for ages...im chuffed you found one now.....