The Haze discussion thread

[@hempy]

Exactly who was Nevil working for when he told you this?

You do realize that Nevil was part owner of the Green house coffee shop at the time and shanti and his partner owned half of the Green House seed company and Arjan and his wife the other half of GHS it was not all Arjan.

After Nevil left and shanti sold there 50% GHS they GHS ran out of seed and did not re produce seed again until Franco started working for GHS.

Nevil was not working for any one why would you ask ?

 

[willydread]

I know it, Hempy, what i mean is that when they were at ghs, the first negative rumors about sensiseeds started coming out, then Shanti and Nevil ditch ghs and here the negative rumors also involve ghs .... Obviously some of the rumors are deserved, though ....And also here on this forum, somewhere in the tread kanga, we read that Nevil wanted to use for his latest works (grail?) The version created by himself before 2001, and instead he had to settle for more recent seeds ...

I have seen footage of the grow / bloom rooms at both cannabis castle (sensi seeds) and some of Shanti's facilities in Switzerland ... it is impossible to control everything by yourself, anyone among the employees could make some cuttings disappear ...

 

[willydread]

Ot1haze x original haze, from JohnnyChicago

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[star crash]

Ot1haze x original haze, from JohnnyChicago

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[TheDarkStorm]

I know it, Hempy, what i mean is that when they were at ghs, the first negative rumors about sensiseeds started coming out, then Shanti and Nevil ditch ghs and here the negative rumors also involve ghs .... Obviously some of the rumors are deserved, though ....And also here on this forum, somewhere in the tread kanga, we read that Nevil wanted to use for his latest works (grail?) The version created by himself before 2001, and instead he had to settle for more recent seeds ...

I have seen footage of the grow / bloom rooms at both cannabis castle (sensi seeds) and some of Shanti's facilities in Switzerland ... it is impossible to control everything by yourself, anyone among the employees could make some cuttings disappear ...

There was a batch sent to kanga of nevils haze from 2004...those are more thicker steamed with less leaves ect...then the 1997 batch that nevil made himself were sent......the exact same batch leet was given afew seeds of an the exact same batch shanti himself recently popped to try an find parents from again.....nevil wouldn't touch the 2004 batch an said it wasnt right....but shanti quckly jumped on the forum an said that kanga was growing the seeds he had sent him..but failing to mention that nevil had the 1997 batch an kanga was also sent the 2004 batch.

Ghs also definitely sourced some old school cuttings..but they were sourced after nevil left Holland...but I dont think arjan likes keeping clones

 

[TheDarkStorm]

this is from the 2004 batch of nevils haze kanga had

 

[TheDarkStorm]

This is from the 1997 batch of nevils haze...

a5 pheno to the left and more typical c pheno on the right of it

 

[star crash]

What are these?

 

[Alpenglow]

What are these?

Humongous and beautiful!

 

[TheDarkStorm]

What are these?

Not sure about the top picture Star but I think the bottom one is kangas gypsy thai cutt x nh21/mm

 

[Koondense]

Interesting to see mostly 3-5 fingered leaves.
Most nld plants I see have 5+ fingers.

Cheers

 

[@hempy]

There was a batch sent to kanga of nevils haze from 2004...those are more thicker steamed with less leaves ect...then the 1997 batch that nevil made himself were sent......the exact same batch leet was given afew seeds of an the exact same batch shanti himself recently popped to try an find parents from again.....nevil wouldn't touch the 2004 batch an said it wasnt right....but shanti quckly jumped on the forum an said that kanga was growing the seeds he had sent him..but failing to mention that nevil had the 1997 batch an kanga was also sent the 2004 batch.

Ghs also definitely sourced some old school cuttings..but they were sourced after nevil left Holland...but I dont think arjan likes keeping clones

From what i remember Nevil wanted to grow seed he had made and seed was sent to Nevil and both Nevil and Kanga grew them and selected threw that seed and NH 21 /36 and cant remember the others that were selected from that seed now.

People that bought Nevils Haze in the Green packs of Mr Nice were getting seed made by Nevil and shanti had posted this so it was no secret,

My Nevils Haze were made by Nevil as were what Leet grew as were seed bought up until 2003/2004 by other people.

My NH F2s are huge now the plant i call HzA is 8ft tall and their only in early flower.

 

[@hempy]

I know it, Hempy, what i mean is that when they were at ghs, the first negative rumors about sensiseeds started coming out, then Shanti and Nevil ditch ghs and here the negative rumors also involve ghs .... Obviously some of the rumors are deserved, though ....And also here on this forum, somewhere in the tread kanga, we read that Nevil wanted to use for his latest works (grail?) The version created by himself before 2001, and instead he had to settle for more recent seeds ...

I have seen footage of the grow / bloom rooms at both cannabis castle (sensi seeds) and some of Shanti's facilities in Switzerland ... it is impossible to control everything by yourself, anyone among the employees could make some cuttings disappear ...

Nevil was given seed he had made in 97 as i posted before many people got these seed Why did people get these seed well Nevil had past on a tone of seed with the plant library before he headed home.

The negative comments about Sensi and GHS came thick and thin from growers on the boards Nevil never posted until he started to post at MrNice and Shanti rarely if ever posts negative comments about others so it was from their consumers mostly that were unhappy.

 

[acespicoli]

What are these?

cannabis trees

 

[Piff_cat]

I thought "sensimilla" simply means flower without seed/unpolinated cannabis? Has that changed now too?

I think their line for "type 1" is thc dom with less then 1% cbd. I believe south africa and Japan have plants with no discernable cbd but all other has some. So sinsemilla cultivar may not be the best name, maybe something like low cbd drug strain or bld low cbd. Good point. I personally think type 2 doesn't represent resin cultivars because they have cbd but doubtful it's half and half. To me the ratio is more important then absolute value since the ratio seems more fixed then total amounts

 

[Piff_cat]

I dont think ghs has their old school nevils haze cutting, I think they lost that ages ago. What ever they sell now is far from a straight s1. Im pretty sure at one time they also sold nevils haze x thai as nevils haze.
​​​​​​ too. Nevil himself made about 10 different versions of nevils haze using different f1 parents for each one, and made afew feminised versions too....none of them look like anything coming from any commercial seed sold in the last 20 years.

Thanks for the info I obviously don't know which clone they have but it seems like cbg is a decent indicator of how far away from the males they are. Nearly all profiles from them are 20 to 25 thc .02-.04 cbd and .9 to 1.2 cbg. That along with morphology can be helpful for selection. I think shanti put some afghan on the male side in his and that was more damaging then s1 f2 etc. I know your very knowledgeable about nevils stuff. I guess allozymes are part of the primary metabolism so not changed by selection pressure but by random mutations in lines history. So those nh progeny all had those primary allozymes different from anyone else. It's all just theories and hypothesis but I am anxious to figure it out w the plants instead of keyboard

 

[Budz Lightyear]

I think their line for "type 1" is thc dom with less then 1% cbd. I believe south africa and Japan have plants with no discernable cbd but all other has some. So sinsemilla cultivar may not be the best name, maybe something like low cbd drug strain or bld low cbd. Good point. I personally think type 2 doesn't represent resin cultivars because they have cbd but doubtful it's half and half. To me the ratio is more important then absolute value since the ratio seems more fixed then total amounts

Yeah, I think what they really mean is "plants that are cultivated predominantly for the dry flower".
I think we also have to take into consideration that all words are made up and that all classifications very much depend on the focus/interest of the person(s) doing the classifying.
For example, lets say we have 6 cars- a red and a blue Ferrari, a red and a blue Tesla,
and a red and a blue Fiat.
One person might put all the red cars together in the same class and all the blue cars together in the same category.
Another person might put the Ferrari's together, the Teslas in a seperate class and the fiats in a third class.
Yet another person might put the Ferrari's and the Fiats in the same class as they are both Italian cars, or because they are combustion engines, and put the Teslas in a seperate class...
It very much delends on who's doing the classifications I guess (?)

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Thanks for the info I obviously don't know which clone they have but it seems like cbg is a decent indicator of how far away from the males they are. Nearly all profiles from them are 20 to 25 thc .02-.04 cbd and .9 to 1.2 cbg. That along with morphology can be helpful for selection. I think shanti put some afghan on the male side in his and that was more damaging then s1 f2 etc. I know your very knowledgeable about nevils stuff. I guess allozymes are part of the primary metabolism so not changed by selection pressure but by random mutations in lines history. So those nh progeny all had those primary allozymes different from anyone else. It's all just theories and hypothesis but I am anxious to figure it out w the plants instead of keyboard

Wish I could actually discuss some of this kind of stuff more indepth with you....but im not educated with how some of these terrapin an gentic fingerprinting things work...i understand some of it but personally think in regards to cannabis the scientific world has a lot to learn an understand still.... I do know its probably best to analyze about 20-30 different plants from a strain in its original form to get a better picture of it as a whole an the genetics behind it ...... But it will be interesting to see some of the conclusions you come up with using this method as one of your tools....I definitely would like to see some of the things people may come out with using this kind of system to breed.

 

[unregistered190]

Ot1haze x original haze, from JohnnyChicago

Absolutely a beautiful plant!

 

[Hammerhead]

Haze grows monster plants. What we think is quality from an indoor plant would most likely be much better done outdoor. The last few pages are perfect examples of this.