The Haze discussion thread

[TheDarkStorm]

I think being honest is being a good breeder....

 

[@hempy]

............ sorry HEMPY but you left out an important part (how convenient, huh), BANNED for 1 week!

...................... now stop playing mind games and stop spamming Nevil, thanks!

No i left nothing out Cosmic i took a screen shot .

How am i spamming Nevil or spamming my self's ?.

You have singled me out for trying to keep a discussion honest.

I use Sam's own posts as quotes as i do Nevil's. People clearly dont like reading the facts not my problem.

I sit here and continue to be trolled and flamed even insulted by Donald and you over look that.

I deleted my album last night all i want is to be treated fairly as any other member clearly that may be to much to ask for ha ?.

 

[harvestreaper]

I think being honest is being a good breeder....

hey i aint trying to make no waves ill remove my post,,, peace

 

[CosmicGiggle]

ENOUGH, STAY ON TOPIC! If the thread ends up getting shut down for constant BS, hopefully someone will start a new thread.
I remember this crap going alla the way back to CWorld and you arguing with Mods 3Little Birds, same ole, same ole, nothing has changed, give it a rest!

 

[browntrout]

What is the consensus on old timers haze ? I see THH, seedsman OH talked about constantly but where does Ace’s version fit in? Is it comparable?

Also what is the relationship of Ocimene and haze related varietals? Something that is seen in terpene results of these plants quite often?

 

[Donald Mallard]

No i left nothing out Cosmic i took a screen shot .

How am i spamming Nevil or spamming my self's ?.

You have singled me out for trying to keep a discussion honest.

I use Sam's own posts as quotes as i do Nevil's. People clearly dont like reading the facts not my problem.

I sit here and continue to be trolled and flamed even insulted by Donald and you over look that.

I deleted my album last night all i want is to be treated fairly as any other member clearly that may be to much to ask for ha ?.

come on man ,
you just cant seem to understand stuff and its always some victim crap you operate on ,
what you post are not facts man , its opinion and interpretation,
i dont know how you dont see that ,

then you get pulled up on it and somehow you are not getting treated fairly ,
bullshit ,, be a man about it hempy ,
admit you are sometimes wrong ,,
accept some scolding for being so disruptive and trying to twist shit to suit your agenda ,
and trying to insult and call moderators like sam liers ,
this is icmag hempy ,
this is not mns or cannabis world ,
you must accept how things run around here and the sort of stuff that is tolerated ,
or go back to mns ....

i dont insult you , i tell it like it is ,
if you dont like it , go somewhere else,
no one is forcing you to be here ,
just to behave yourself in a manner accepted by the admin and moderators ...
and ffs stop the pity party crap ,
its completely inappropriate for a grown man to act like that ....

you are on the edge of having this thread closed ,
its been on the edge for a while ,
keep going and it will be closed for good ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Prc1UfuokY

 

[Zolorp]

I'm just here for the plant and one observation I have made about seed "breeders" since the 80s is, they talk a good game and good stories sell seeds. Doesn't matter to me, whatever you call a "strain", if the seeds produce keepers, that's all that matters.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

hey i aint trying to make no waves ill remove my post,,, peace

Nah no waves.......I understand the context of your post...you should leave it up please.

​​​​​​my post wasnt a dig at you....it was a dig at dishonesty in breeding wich happens alot an has done for years......
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[willydread]

What is the consensus on old timers haze ? I see THH, seedsman OH talked about constantly but where does Ace’s version fit in? Is it comparable?

Also what is the relationship of Ocimene and haze related varietals? Something that is seen in terpene results of these plants quite often?

Many speak well of it, others say that it is unmanageable and inferior to original haze, I liked it so much, especially the green pheno who rarely taste like incense and are more energetic ...

 

[TheDarkStorm]

During the ‘90’s we grew DurbanHaze.
Can’t recall it being a Haze A or C hybrid for sure but given how I remember her specific aroma & potency traits I doubt her to be a Haze A hybrid although like I’ve said, I can’t exclude the possibility 100%.

In certain aspects this cultivar was more practical to grow. She didn’t stretch like the other selected hybrids and was slightly shorter flowering, took 12 weeks to finish her, taking her longer just didn’t do her any justice.
The main reason why she didn’t got offered much back then was that although being somewhat more practical in size and duration she was a much more delicate plant needing a more delicate approach to keep her happy and let her shine.
Small sized solid round shaped flowers, great density and greasy/sticky., pretty potent stuff, nothing dark, kicks one straight into a lucid dreaming experience.
I loved her unique character.
As far as I know she got culled by “Justice” for being a very dangerous plant that needed to be destroyed to save mankind from eternal damnation.
Ain’t we but some lucky few…

Thanks...your description sound almost how I would describe it...to be honest it was one I really liked.....hopefully I get to link up with you guys one day.....

 

[Chi13]

Many speak well of it, others say that it is unmanageable and inferior to original haze, I liked it so much, especially the green pheno who rarely taste like incense and are more energetic ...

I grew the ACE purple Oltimers Haze along with an NL5 x Haze from sensi and were struck with how similar they were. I preferred the OT, but it went about 24 weeks or so, and even as a cut about 20. To be honest I think you can find better varieties that do the same with shorter flowering times, although I only grew a few plants, so did not properly search for a good pheno.

 

[Nexus7]

I grew Zamal x THH and MadMacs Original Haze recently , I thought both were bad , the zamal x thh being the better one and the more interesting one, could possibly be good breeding material. The MadMac Original Haze is quite different line than what you get from the hazes from Nevil . There is no frankincense and the plants/ high is not extreme like a Nevils Haze. Also the MadMacs OH is like slow plant , bad vigour , small leaves , not very interesting smells, I cant see how outcrossing it would bring magic but I made seeds from everything and I might try it later. They both were weakish high, the Zamal x THH being the more interesting one , nothing legendary about em.

I really thought both were a waste of time compared to an old Nevils Haze. The Nevils Haze feels much more rushy extreme sativa , although it has 25% indica . A good old Nevils Haze is like lightyears ahead in all aspects ( growing and smoking ) compared to the Zamal x THH and the MadMac OH I grew.

Had awesome results with MM OHz s1 myself. Good vigor and yield, lots of trichs and pure Frankinsense pheno. My favourite and most enjoyable smoke atm. Not super potent yet but quality of high more than makes up for it imo but I'm still curing and it's seems to be getting stronger ...

Never tried the NH yet but will hopefully have some f3's soon and also some OJD grail project for a proper comparison.

But the best thing about the MM OHz is it's freely available to all like a big Haze community.

Would be nice if others follow Mac's lead and made those old NH lines available so people can form their own opinions. Not just being told my Haze is better than yours ...

Good to see OJD doing a similar thing!

Haze on all!

 

[ArtOfSelection]

What is the consensus on old timers haze ? I see THH, seedsman OH talked about constantly but where does Ace’s version fit in? Is it comparable?

Also what is the relationship of Ocimene and haze related varietals? Something that is seen in terpene results of these plants quite often?

Incredibly inbred..but undoubtably pure ..no indica or skunk whatsoever ..it truly shines when outcrossed........one of the most well renowned sativa hybrids of the last few decades was ace/cannabiogens collaboration of oldtimers haze x Meo Thai .............another exceptional (mostly sativa) hybrid ace offer today is Panama haze (OT haze x Panama) .........growing old timers haze pure indoors, as with any pure haze, is a niche connoisseur pursuit, so not many grow and smoke reports, but in tropical/subtropical climates it can truly shine ...IMO its a legit early version of the haze line ..but not held in as high regard as the later versions of haze ...which prob had Thai and Indian added into the mix .............that's my 'theory' anyway

 

[ojd]

This is taking the piss , even 1 week ?

Like mentioned Neville has passed and doesnt sell seeds ?

I thought this was a forum of free speach ?

Seriosly gypsy you going to let this go ?

Who is in charge here these days ?

You cant mention Neville but can mention Sam as many times as you want ?

Sad to see how this place is going these days , very sad

I have been accused of spamming Nevil and my self and told if i do it again i am banned so no point posting any longer. .

Who has told you that ?

 

[ojd]

come on man ,
you just cant seem to understand stuff and its always some victim crap you operate on ,
what you post are not facts man , its opinion and interpretation,
i dont know how you dont see that ,

then you get pulled up on it and somehow you are not getting treated fairly ,
bullshit ,, be a man about it hempy ,
admit you are sometimes wrong ,,
accept some scolding for being so disruptive and trying to twist shit to suit your agenda ,
and trying to insult and call moderators like sam liers ,
this is icmag hempy ,
this is not mns or cannabis world ,
you must accept how things run around here and the sort of stuff that is tolerated ,
or go back to mns ....

i dont insult you , i tell it like it is ,
if you dont like it , go somewhere else,
no one is forcing you to be here ,
just to behave yourself in a manner accepted by the admin and moderators ...
and ffs stop the pity party crap ,
its completely inappropriate for a grown man to act like that ....

you are on the edge of having this thread closed ,
its been on the edge for a while ,
keep going and it will be closed for good ...

How are you allowed to constatly dis hempy and twist his words constantly( english is his 2nd language as you know but love to twist his quotes) and he is never rude to you and you can say whatever you want ?

Hempy never said Sam never tried Original Haze ( yes twist the words you wally) he stated which is true that Sam never grew or smoked the First ever Haze made , as Sam didnt return from travelling untill later generations or later versions of Haze so Sam only sampled / Grew Haze from a later version than the first ever Haze , is that clear enough for you donald ?.

You are 1 of the main people who are close to getting this thread closed , which im sure you would love ? . Others have started own threads if they dont want to be involved in this thred and thats fine and good , the more the merrier , but this and other Haze threads are the most liked and viewed threads on icmag so yes would be a real shame if you constantly diss hempy as i cant stand by when someone nice like hempy gets constantly dissed by you.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

During the ‘90’s we grew DurbanHaze.
Can’t recall it being a Haze A or C hybrid for sure but given how I remember her specific aroma & potency traits I doubt her to be a Haze A hybrid although like I’ve said, I can’t exclude the possibility 100%.

In certain aspects this cultivar was more practical to grow. She didn’t stretch like the other selected hybrids and was slightly shorter flowering, took 12 weeks to finish her, taking her longer just didn’t do her any justice.
The main reason why she didn’t got offered much back then was that although being somewhat more practical in size and duration she was a much more delicate plant needing a more delicate approach to keep her happy and let her shine.
Small sized solid round shaped flowers, great density and greasy/sticky., pretty potent stuff, nothing dark, kicks one straight into a lucid dreaming experience.
I loved her unique character.
As far as I know she got culled by “Justice” for being a very dangerous plant that needed to be destroyed to save mankind from eternal damnation.
Ain’t we but some lucky few…

Sounds like the durban traits coming thru strong there..small dense nugs, very greasy/sticky, lime green and potent and very lucid dreaming like...that sounds right up the old poisons alley..The durban buds would be sold in durbs in little wraps the size of a finger, out of magazine or newspaper in a "stoppe" as it is known here..there'd be a nug or two stuck to itself in a tight pencil..that is what was refered to as a poison..

 

[ojd]

SSSDH OJD cut from Reservoir seeds first ever SSSDH release around 15 years back.
SSH X Sour Diesel.

Getting ready to combine this clone with the best Neville selections from his Grail project.

Anyone who tried my cut knows its very heavy on the SSH side and C Haze , all citrusy Haze not really much or any leather or spice but WOW what a taste/High it produces and yield and return on extracts.

This cut is making the rounds this year so i hope to see more people grow it and especially the icmag family.

If you recieve it please pass it around as i cant send it to everyone but will send around the world and people can pass it on to.

 

[Donald Mallard]

How are you allowed to constatly dis hempy and twist his words constantly( english is his 2nd language as you know but love to twist his quotes) and he is never rude to you and you can say whatever you want ?

Hempy never said Sam never tried Original Haze ( yes twist the words you wally) he stated which is true that Sam never grew or smoked the First ever Haze made , as Sam didnt return from travelling untill later generations or later versions of Haze so Sam only sampled / Grew Haze from a later version than the first ever Haze , is that clear enough for you donald ?.

You are 1 of the main people who are close to getting this thread closed , which im sure you would love ? . Others have started own threads if they dont want to be involved in this thred and thats fine and good , the more the merrier , but this and other Haze threads are the most liked and viewed threads on icmag so yes would be a real shame if you constantly diss hempy as i cant stand by when someone nice like hempy gets constantly dissed by you.

dont you start too ojd ,
just bloody leave it ok mate ,
go do something else ,
what ever you do , do not harrass me man ,
it is between someone else and dont get involved ok ..
if u cant stand by , sit down or bugger off to your own forum ,
but do not start more crap in this thread ....

 

[CannaT]

I grew Zamal x THH and MadMacs Original Haze recently , I thought both were bad , the zamal x thh being the better one and the more interesting one, could possibly be good breeding material. The MadMac Original Haze is quite different line than what you get from the hazes from Nevil . There is no frankincense and the plants/ high is not extreme like a Nevils Haze. Also the MadMacs OH is like slow plant , bad vigour , small leaves , not very interesting smells, I cant see how outcrossing it would bring magic but I made seeds from everything and I might try it later. They both were weakish high, the Zamal x THH being the more interesting one , nothing legendary about em.

I really thought both were a waste of time compared to an old Nevils Haze. The Nevils Haze feels much more rushy extreme sativa , although it has 25% indica . A good old Nevils Haze is like lightyears ahead in all aspects ( growing and smoking ) compared to the Zamal x THH and the MadMac OH I grew.

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Which is better for someone is a question,
it is all individual.....
I like to judge by many...

Simply everyone needs to know that plants in nature do not tend to have as much thca as possible....
that's what we humans have been striving for over the years.

...older people who tried grass before ''skunk'' say the grass wasn’t that strong it was much positive and not so strong.

I know that some will now say that they smoked something the strongest in the world 50 years ago.....
but it is only subjective and the cause of little tolerance in the young days.


No one can deny the hard work and accomplishments of cannabis.breeding....holy grail of this is Skunk 1 ask old stoners what they think when they first lit skunk 1....XD

to say that older varieties as O.haze are more potent than today's hybrids is a pure lie and agenda....
But to claim that high is more natural and different from today's is true....even Black Domina looks and smell old style compared to cookies and modern strains....


In my opinion nl5 sk1 haze is a combination that has not yet been defeated and many smokers and breeders will tell you that there is nothing better than that.

Nevile breed NLxHaze to boost Haze and NL thats why people doing breeding
to find the individual with the best characteristics of nl and haze....


Still nothing comes close to good pheno'' A ''of J. Herer.......This is the tipe of cannabis that gets you high like you think that everybody knows that you are high you think for others....hard to get conversation with someone who didnt smoke with you....strongest pot you can find 100% cuts thrugh Og kush high like rasor blade.....


You cannot neglect human work and progress. It’s like claiming that oldtimers are better than new cars. It may feel better and go back to the old days. But they can never be compared to new developments in the auto industry.

Just my look on these things..