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mr.brunch

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Old internet pictures with a history lesson included. Versus actual bud shot from 2021.wow. U guys are a trip.no wonder u guys get into arguements.:bow:

More of a nug shot than a bud shot really, as it’s not growing on a plant. I’ve Not tried Cambodian to my knowledge, what’s it like?
 

Stocktont

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There are cannabis plants in Thailand that came from seeds that came from seeds (and so on) that have been around for much longer than anyone on these boards and it’s still there. Just because some lame ass didn’t see anything good since the 80s doesn’t mean shit to anyone but that guy. Maybe get out and try to see more than your own backyard would be a good start before trying to be some kind of online expert on things so far away from your comprehension. Now please, back to ”id-ing” plant genetics from photos and propelling old wives-tales and fantasies of getting seeds that were ”the best of the thai” L O fucking L! That guy in that market place in Bangkok was a real lucky shot to get ”the real original (the one no one else has) Thia”, the fucking story is so stupid from start to finish but keep polishing on the trolling maybe someone believe you one day….
 

romanoweed

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yesum, if you ask me: the plants i have seen so far grown from People who associate them atleast with legal grows (i dont know if theyre making that up), also the Plant in gypsys Post

look not like the oldschool ganja to me . They look better then what you get on Blackmarket, definitly.
But never have i seen oldschool thai-look. I mean Thai was once coming in all sorts of colorations. today 95 Percent ive seen were green.
They could need some help from Collectors who give them the best back.

There was ONE single Time when they showed a seed provided by Goverment, this only Line was an old Line.

OF course, i cant know for shure, but thats what i beleve im seeing. IMHO
 

Hammerhead

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I don't remember any brick being all that good, most were loaded with seeds. Our homegrown was far superior to most of the imports. Thai Stick was always very good. Rarely did the golds and reds show up but those were killer as well.
 

CannaT

starin' at the world through my rearview
For great Cannabis hig grade,premium....
plant need good evrimoment,food and light,
after that proper drying,curing and storage.

Not any brick in world
does not meet the set standars so in conclusion.

It can be good,but great and one of the best only when is leached with chinese sintetic thc or shits like that....

It is pure math 1+1=2 no mather what somebody say,has smoked etc....

In mith that thai brick is better than wester hybrids you piss on 50 years of human efort,resrch and breeding....and i call it bull shit no mather what you say.

SCIENCE WILL WIN !

;)
 

Stocktont

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Not all brick-weed is the same, just saying that there’s a lot of different things and a sliding scale that goes all the way up to ”pretty fucking good” when it comes to brick weed. Not all weed that is pressed in Thailand is like shitty import brick, just saying…
 

romanoweed

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but great Post it is! i am under the impression in Thailand theyre on the Way already to grow the old Thaistick.
I was expecting they only would grow Kush. But all i saw from legal grows was troughout Thinleaved Thai, Thinleaved Hemp. And occasional something fatter.
Its looking promising.
 

Donald Mallard

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Wilai Kampilool checks flowers and leaves of the Thai Stick variety known as 'Hang Krarok' - He has 16 of them in his garden. (Photo by Karnjana Karnjanatawe) -

- Happily today cannabis cultivation in Thailand is not quite as restricted as it used to be - and by the looks of it the Thai Stick could make an international resurgence -

After retiring as a school teacher two years ago, Wilai Kampilool, now 62, spends his time farming. His house is located in Ban Sok Nak, in tambon Hin Lek Fai in Buri Ram's Khu Muang district. The village has recently become a destination for those who want to learn about or see ganja (marijuana) plants.

"I never thought that one day I would get involved in growing ganja. Since a young age, I've been told that it was a narcotic. However, the more I learned about its health benefits, the more interested I've become in growing the plant. I told myself 'why not', " said Wilai.

"I fully support the government in legalising ganja so that we can plant and use it for curing sicknesses. Using ganja as a medical herb is tapping into our old wisdom and something we should preserve," he said.

Ban Sok Nak is a small village located about 30km away from Buri Ram and about 420km northeast of Bangkok. Most of the villagers here are farmers and they earn a living growing sugarcane, farming crickets or raising silkworms for silk woven clothes.

Growing ganja has provided new hope for the villagers to diversify their income. Since the government legalised the use of cannabis for medicinal and research purposes in Feb 2019, ganja has become a highly-regarded cash crop. The Kasikorn Research Centre forecasts that the market value of medical cannabis in Thailand will reach anywhere between 3.6 billion to 7.2 billion baht this year.

To further promote cannabis cultivation among households, Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul launched the Non Malai model in Ban Sok Nak on Feb 11. He handed over cannabis seeds to the Non Malai Thai Herb Community Enterprise and this marked the first step to allow households to legally grow six ganja plants in their yards.

The movement is also pushing to transform Buri Ram's image into the "City Of Ganja" and also the location where the ganja expo is expected to be scheduled annually. In the meantime, ganja clinics are gradually opening. More than 15 community enterprises are farming cannabis plants to supply dry flowers to local hospitals to produce cannabis oil.

Moreover, market demand for ganja in the food and cosmetic industry is also booming. After the government pulled ganja leaves, stalks, stumps and roots from the narcotic list on Dec 15 last year, some local restaurants and resorts are now offering food and drinks with a mix of ganja leaves (the flowers and seeds are still in the type-5 narcotic list). Prototypes of health products are still under development and soon, spa and wellness centres in Buri Ram will offer these with ganja extract.




SIX PLANTS PER HOUSEHOLD

At present, individuals are not allowed to farm cannabis and hemp unless they register themselves as a community enterprise. Each group must have at least seven members and must have contact with a local hospital, including small-scale Tambon Health Promotion Hospitals (THPH).

In Ban Sok Nak, the Non Malai Thai Herb Community Enterprise has partnered with Non Malai THPH.

Wilai is among the first seven people who are legally allowed to grow six marijuana plants in his garden. Every morning, he waters the plants and checks the stems, leaves and soil. He gently flips up some leaves and when he finds yellow spots caused by spider mites, he carefully removes the tiny bugs by hand. Sometimes, he uses natural pesticides like neem oil to spray on sick leaves.

"Chemicals are not allowed since our group grows the plant for medical purposes. We know that our plants have to be safe from hazardous chemicals," he said.

The plants must be grown in a secure environment and within 10m of a home. The construction of the nursery where the plant grows is simple -- it is made of bamboo poles with green scaffolding mesh and a barbed-wire fence. The entrance door must have a lock and two signboards, one which must state that the site is for the production of a type-5 narcotic while the other must show the name and the address of the owner. The Buri Ram Agricultural Office also records how many ganja plots there are in its system by using GPS coordinates.

Health volunteers known as aor sor mor visit the nurseries daily and check the plant's health. If they find dry or fallen leaves, they will collect them and measure the weight. They report the data daily to the hospital, which then submits the report to the Department of Food and Drug Administration. Each week, local police also pay a visit to check the safety of the site. Wilai has a CCTV camera to record every movement inside the nursery.

From the village roadside, the ganja garden plot looks like a typical nursery and easy to break into. Fortunately, there has been no attempt so far.

"The project is a joint venture among people in our community. Everyone knows who is growing ganja in our village," said Riam Seetha, 43, chief of public health volunteers.

"There is no need to break the rule," she said.

Above Ganja cookies are available at the Ganja and Hemp Expo in Buri Ram. Karnjana Karnjanatawe

Riam also grows six ganja plants in her garden. She believes it is another form of making merit.

"Although I had to invest about 5,000 baht for the nursery and buy water for the plants, I am glad to do so because my ganja will be used to cure people's sickness," she said.

Within the next couple of months, the plants will mature and the ganja flowers will be harvested and sold to Tambon Health Promotion Hospital of Non Malai. After harvest, the grower will be able to use or sell leaves, stalks, stumps and roots. Riam plans to use leaves to enhance the taste of food and snacks for sale under the name of the community enterprise. The food that will be mixed with ganja leaves includes deep-fried crickets (jingreed lanla), chilly dip (nam phrik susa) and sugar cane juice.

"I look forward to harvest. I don't know how much I can earn but I am confident that it will be fruitful," she said.

MEDICAL GRADE FARM

About 18km north of Ban Sok Nak, ganja plants are cultivated in an indoor farm in a garden zone of Play La Ploen Boutique Resort and Adventure Camp on Road No 2074 in Khu Muang district.

The facility used to be a tulip nursery but now it is an air-conditioned room with a humidity control system. The property's owner, Pornthip Asadathorn, has offered the nursery to Play La Ploen Herbal Community Enterprise (PHC) for farming medical-grade cannabis.

"I provide the facility to PHC for free because I want to support people living near our property to have extra income," she said.

Before growing ganja plants, 30 PHC members grew herbs and vegetables in an organic farm in the resort for six years. The vegetables were supplied to the resort's kitchen while the herbs were sent to Khu Muang hospital. When the hospital opened a Medical Cannabis Clinic almost two years ago, they searched for local cannabis suppliers and the hospital chose to work with PHC.

Right The Charlotte Angel variety is grown by Play La Ploen Herbal Community Enterprise. Karnjana Karnjanatawe

PHC has partnered with the Government Pharmaceutical Organisation (GPO) to start its medical cannabis cultivation project. During the first year, the community grew four varieties of ganja plants, including Hang Krarok and Tanow Sri, which belong to the Thai varieties and two imported varieties -- Sensi and Charlotte Angle -- whose seeds they received from the GPO. The group later chose to grow only the Charlotte Angel variety from the Netherlands. "The Charlotte Angel variety has high CBD output. It is the compound that Khu Muang Hospital needs to cure patients who have epilepsy, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease," she said.

Based on the requirements of the hospital, the community enterprise grows about 90 ganja plants per crop. Last year, the group supplied its first cultivation of 6kg of ganja flowers to the hospital for free, said Sasikarn Lorjilopart, the chairwoman of PHC.

After the first harvest, the leftovers had to be destroyed but the group converted it for use as fertiliser.

The community enterprise started to earn from its second crop after Khu Muang Hospital bought the dry flowers for 40,000 baht per kilogramme. After the second harvest, Khu Muang allowed the farmer group to take advantage of leaves, roots and stems. Today, the group partners with universities to produce healthcare products under the PHC brand. They have sample prototype products of toner, sunscreen, soap, toothpaste and herbal drinks. The products will soon be available for sale in Arokaya Wellness Sala in Play La Ploen Boutique Resort and Adventure Camp.

Recently, PHC has also worked with the Characterisation and Testing Centre of the National Science and Technology Development Agency (NSTDA) to test the quality and safety of cannabis plants. "Soon we will expand the facility to a 360m² room. This farm will be able to grow up to 800 plants," said Sasikarn.

The new facility will also have an observation window to facilitate visitors. They can see how the group grow the plants. Not far from the cannabis cultivation room, Play La Ploen has a Cannabis Learning Centre that provides knowledge about cannabis and hemp to general visitors.

"Play La Ploen Herbal Community Enterprise is like a one-stop-shop for those who want to grow cannabis," said Panida Krongsanan, an agriculturist of the farm. "We have had many trial and errors until we found the best solution for growing ganja for medicinal purposes. We are willing to provide the knowledge to those who are interested as we believe knowledge is for sharing," she added.

link: Ganja -- a future cash crop? (bangkokpost.com)

sounds like burriram is worth visiting again ,
i always enjoyed that place ,

a friend recently opened a grow shop there ,
to my surprise ,
and i hear they were running the moto gp there ,
from such a backward old place to this in such a short time ...

nice informative post gn ,, this thread can use posts like that rather than some hearsay ,
backed up with no evidence ...
 

Donald Mallard

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^^ You notice they have a 6 plant limit. Copy cali much? The whole thing started here. I hate cali btw but credit is due. I will skip the deep-fried crickets but take the Thai Stick please. Would the Thai Stick pictured do justice to what ThaiBliss loved so much? The guy is old enough to have saved good seeds.

well if you look back the thais were growing cannabis crops before the americans in reality ,
but the American government went and put a stop to that , and now they are taking the lead after stamping out the competition ,, hehehe ,
ironic isn't it really ... ??
I'm glad to see the stigma caused by the American eradication program is starting to ease where cannabis is concerned,
it was after all a part of the thai culture until then ...

crickets and thai stick likely go well together yesum ,
specially these smokey bacon flavored ones , haha ..

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@hempy

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There are cannabis plants in Thailand that came from seeds that came from seeds (and so on) that have been around for much longer than anyone on these boards and it’s still there. Just because some lame ass didn’t see anything good since the 80s doesn’t mean shit to anyone but that guy. Maybe get out and try to see more than your own backyard would be a good start before trying to be some kind of online expert on things so far away from your comprehension. Now please, back to ”id-ing” plant genetics from photos and propelling old wives-tales and fantasies of getting seeds that were ”the best of the thai” L O fucking L! That guy in that market place in Bangkok was a real lucky shot to get ”the real original (the one no one else has) Thia”, the fucking story is so stupid from start to finish but keep polishing on the trolling maybe someone believe you one day….

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Why post if your only here to insult people Stocktont ? Your how old and how many Thai sativas have you grow over how many years ?.

I bring over 4 decades of hands on growing of Thais Colombians and other sativas to the table what do you bring apart from hate and dribble dude.

We never saw imported Thai land here after 1985 that dose not mean we never saw and smoked the best Thais after that it just means we never saw imported Thia after that point in the market.

What my mate sourced in 86 was shared i made lots of seed and past them out and i would guess lots of people grew it in Thailand to no ones claiming exclusive rights to strains here lol.

Its a bit piss poor to post your expenses in life and have people who were not even alive question you and claim your full of shit.
 

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
Gypsy the law reform i believe was pushed by the General now politician which is a good thing but what i loved the most was how the Thai government did not allow the big corporate canna caravan to roll in and exploit the people as seen in Canada and in Australia and i am sure many other places.

They are also very protective of the local Thai genetics and dont want out side interests getting hold of them and exploiting them they clearly understand what there sitting on.
 

Chi13

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For great Cannabis hig grade,premium....
plant need good evrimoment,food and light,
after that proper drying,curing and storage.

Not any brick in world
does not meet the set standars so in conclusion.

It can be good,but great and one of the best only when is leached with chinese sintetic thc or shits like that....

It is pure math 1+1=2 no mather what somebody say,has smoked etc....

In mith that thai brick is better than wester hybrids you piss on 50 years of human efort,resrch and breeding....and i call it bull shit no mather what you say.

SCIENCE WILL WIN !

;)
I have been a smoker since 1977, I have smoked and grown many modern hybrids. The best smoke I had since then was in Laos and it was compressed brick weed. Prior to that it was imported Thai sticks. Cannabis produced in a third world country that shits on anything I have had in modern times. 50 years of pollen chucking has created a bland and boring, or uncomfortable high. Unless you have smoked this stuff from Thailand or Laos, you don't know what you are talking about. That's not to say that this stuff may be even better if it had proper drying, curing, and storing. It probably would.

Proper plant breeding involves tens of thousands of plants. Name a modern cannabis breeder who has really done that. Thai or Laos breeding has had hundreds of years of selection prior to the recent prohibition. Thats not to say all hybrids are crap, but I often think the so called entourage effect has done more harm to the high than good.

WTF are you talking about regarding Chinese synthetic THC? NOthing I am talking about contains that.

Anyone who thinks they can tell how good cannabis is from looks is kidding themselves. That is marketing, bag appeal, bullshit.

I know a lot of younger smokers who prefer a high akin to a narcotic. If that's what you are after stick to your hybrids and veg out in front of the tv. If you want something magical, uplifting, euphoric, then it lies in older Asian strains imo.
 

romanoweed

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@chi, i dont wanna argue, i just wanna inform you what i feel, not know.

If you adressed me with, "Anyone who thinks they can tell how good cannabis is from looks is kidding themselves" .

I tell you, ive seen Biologists making paintings of phenos of their breeds (or genotype). He said he paints the plant cause he thinks whats inside is visible in the outer Apperance. That doesent mean that brown, nonchunky means bad.. Thats not what i mean. Im talking about seeing the features beyond a simplification. Just seeing it, feeling it.

Further. If you have seen Pictures of Plants and you heard the reports of it. And then you seen pictures of other Plants and heard Reports.
Then i think at some point, after the years. you POSSIBLY can get a pretty good "picture" of any given Strain that you see. cause youve seen similar.

Thats just what i feel.. But if its that simple Question as: "it looks ie old Thai in the Article" . then its very easy to say: no, it doesent compleetly. So, lets let open how the effect is. But it looks different.
 

romanoweed

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It was not my intention to place modern Thailines down at the lowest bottom there is. And i trust you one can find pretty good stuff today. Thats exactly where i place the best modern Thai Laos ive seen. pretty good. Probaly i missed something, but im hunting soo long, i just pretty much stick with this overall suspection (sorry english)
Old Thai i place as good, very nice. And you know my biggest love is old Viet. Wich is infintly good FOR ME. IMHO
 

Sub24ox7

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I have been a smoker since 1977, I have smoked and grown many modern hybrids. The best smoke I had since then was in Laos and it was compressed brick weed. Prior to that it was imported Thai sticks. Cannabis produced in a third world country that shits on anything I have had in modern times. 50 years of pollen chucking has created a bland and boring, or uncomfortable high. Unless you have smoked this stuff from Thailand or Laos, you don't know what you are talking about. That's not to say that this stuff may be even better if it had proper drying, curing, and storing. It probably would.

Proper plant breeding involves tens of thousands of plants. Name a modern cannabis breeder who has really done that. Thai or Laos breeding has had hundreds of years of selection prior to the recent prohibition. Thats not to say all hybrids are crap, but I often think the so called entourage effect has done more harm to the high than good.

WTF are you talking about regarding Chinese synthetic THC? NOthing I am talking about contains that.

Anyone who thinks they can tell how good cannabis is from looks is kidding themselves. That is marketing, bag appeal, bullshit.

I know a lot of younger smokers who prefer a high akin to a narcotic. If that's what you are after stick to your hybrids and veg out in front of the tv. If you want something magical, uplifting, euphoric, then it lies in older Asian strains imo.

There is something missing in today’s smoke and I don’t think it’s nostalgia. The best smoke I ever had
buzz wise definitely didn’t have much bag appeal heh.
Maybe we are all thc saturated these days idk set and setting and tolerance is a lot. I mean some of the best buzzes are when you have a low almost no tolerance and smoked some import.
I don’t know I go back and forth, maybe it’s a little of both. Its a conundrum.
 

Hammerhead

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Everyones tolerance is prob a lot today vs back in the day. Back then we still had dry periods even though we grew our own. Today I've not had a dry spell in at least 7 years.
 

Chi13

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There is something missing in today’s smoke and I don’t think it’s nostalgia. The best smoke I ever had
buzz wise definitely didn’t have much bag appeal heh.
Maybe we are all thc saturated these days idk set and setting and tolerance is a lot. I mean some of the best buzzes are when you have a low almost no tolerance and smoked some import.
I don’t know I go back and forth, maybe it’s a little of both. Its a conundrum.
I used to wonder if my love of old Thai was just nostalgia. However, my experience with the Laos was definitely not nostalgia. It was less than 5 year ago. Closest thing I've had to Thai stick since maybe 1980?
Completely changed what I now purchase seed wise, and what I will be growing from now on.

On tolerance. I have breaks every year or two for about 6-8 weeks at a time. When I start again on my hybrids I don't get anywhere as near as high as I found wiht Thai or Laos. It makes a small difference but will not turn average pot into a super high.

Hammerhead, I used to be a much heavier user in the 70s and 80s. All day, every day consumption, yet Thai cut through everything, consistantly. These days I only smoke/vape in the evenings, and even then, not too much.
 

Sub24ox7

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Yes hammerhead sadly I think the big part of this is tolerance. It used to be dry here after Christmas, January and part of February were often bone dry around here and now I eat oil everyday so.. I’m totally thc saturated as it took a lot of oil to finally get of the opiates after 25 years of being on them sigh..
When you have no tolerance at all like quit totally for a year any weed will make you go to Dairy Queen lol. It has happened to me... with no tolerance even a little weed gets you in a more profound way. So if it’s good sativa it will be a better type high IMO.
 

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
There are some very good modern lines and there are plenty of not so good modern lines out there the difference with old line to modern is today's lines are all hybrids and poly hybrids and non are true breeding so selection and luck is key in finding good plants.

The old lines were true breeding you knew what that seed would grow out to.

Compressing cannabis was done to reduce the volume to allow more to be transported still done today its not the best way to handle flower but its serves a need.

A sativa flower is airy bag appeal is often shit but if any one thinks that means a weak smoke then clearly they have no clue about cannabis.
 

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
Everyones tolerance is prob a lot today vs back in the day. Back then we still had dry periods even though we grew our own. Today I've not had a dry spell in at least 7 years.

We had dry periods to but that did not mean people didn't smoke daily and often threw the dry periods as a smoker you knew the dry periods so if you didn't grow you bought extra n stored for the dry people that grew some kept there harvest and sold threw the dry spell and made a fortune here others like me shared with friends and kept them high threw the drys..

lots of old genetics still grown quality is quality tolerance plays no roll in that hammer.
 
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