The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[FatherEarth]

http://www.biocyclopedia.com/index/...ements/cobalt/cobalt_metabolism_in_plants.php


https://www.princeton.edu/~cebic/enzymecycles.html

 

[Madjag]

Zamacritical

Critical Mass F2 x Masibindi
(Afghani x Skunk #1 x Zamal A x Warlock )

A Magus Genetics Masibindi male, a Zamal / Indica cross, mated with a Critical Mass female, the original "Big Bud" line that Shanti reworked to become Mr.Nice Seeds' Critical Mass.

Lots of pistils with little sugar leaf; small yet crystalline calyxs puffing up underneath the pistil profusion; and yes, donkey-resemblances......
Pistils are still 70% white so still some weeks to go.

Not a Big Tree, but it's what I can do for now from my humble patio Medical grow; a few mini-trees:

 

[SativaBreather]

hey fellas
incredible pictures in this thread, great plants and great growing
most if not all you guys posting are in America and us Brits are always envious of your laws, your climate and the quality of plants and yields you get.
In the UK the weather is shit, most of us dont own great plots of land and the law is against us. Fuck, how we'd love to have a plant limit of any kind.
So outdoor growing is difficult an often the climate doesnt allow for good quality bud. Also its bloody hard to find good spots to grow in.
However, some people like Buddymate have massive balls and dedication and are absolutely showing us the top level game of growing outdoors in the rainy UK.
Thought you might like to check his work here https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=277222&page=29

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Yes it is a very stressfull month Pono. I need a vacation badly. This guerilla grow is my vacation in the making.
Im a travel out West for the winter. Maybe Ill get a personal invite to stop in and blaze a few with ya along the way

Ive been on lock down for the last 6 years growin in apt's.
I cant wait to take a long, and much needed break.
Once I get wherever Im headed, I can get a hotel room and a rental car.
Bet your ass Im hittin Vegas again for a week...

 

[SativaBreather]

here's some of his pics

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Thats incredible!! Love Buddymates work!
I gotta get me one of those gorilla suits.

 

[Shcrews]

interesting looking Pie Milky, I've never seen it stack that fat before. usually my cherries are always spaced out quite a bit on the internodes. and yea it doesn't have the best structure it can be kind of spindly and shoot up fast and leave lots of negative space. thats why i always double plant them to increase sq ft of canopy.

Weird, my pies are stacking better than anything else

 

[Yes4Prop215]

in that home stretch…been busy setting up the trim stations, prepping the drying rooms, and preparing for the first chop! estimating at least 1-2 weeks out on the early girls. heard some friends who are chopping very soon as well.

that last pic is an optical illusion lol…the panoramic stretched it out a bit.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Very beautiful Prop!
Im glad you said sumthin. I was just thinking to myself that, longer, oval growbags may be what I need next season, if it grows all oval like that too. LOL.
That would have been a perfect solution to the tight space in the guerilla patch.
Hey, thats an idea though. ....
Build the custom growbag oval and plant 2 in each.
Just let them grow into each other while young, and trim out the sides of each so they join as one when full grown.
Thanx for the idea. That may save us some trouble next year.

You Cali growers are crushing it this year. Amazing, the size of your plants. Wow! The bar is set so high its rediculous.
Once I actually seen the size and scope of the plants in here I stopped posting my plant pics.
Truly epic work, all you guys.

 

[Organic Grower]

Loving spending the nights outdoors with my pup and the girls. Nights have been perfect. That big moon the past couple nights has kept the garden lit up and its been a beautiful thing. I think a few of my girls arent even gonna make it into october. They're swelling up fast and considering all they've gone through this year theyre putting on some potent looking flowers. A couple strains that have shown the most distaste for the EWSF soil since very early on arent quite filling in like some others though. I read mention about a high functioning enzymatic system to help boost bud swell? Can anyone elaborate on this? How do you promote that system?

I was thinking that the high P and K levels of my soil might have encouraged plants to bloom sooner than usual, although Ive heard lots of reports on an early harvest this year here in norcal, no matter the soil. I still think mine are even further in than most.

Harvest cant come soon enough for me, so i look at it as a blessing in disguise. Although I'm not looking forward to post harvest much more. Managing all those people will surely be a headache in itself. We'll make do. These are relatively good problems to have.

Cheers to everyone in here. Wishing you all a strong finish.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Sea Stim is pretty good at starting up enzyme systems. Sea Crop is good too. So are rock dusts.

It takes enzyme co factors to have functioning enzymes.

Enzyme co factors are trace and ultra trace minerals.

Plants need every element on the periodic table.

Really wonder what Dave did for the 20 yards he sent me, literally no problems.

 

[theJointedOne]

Yes4Prop4215- Heck yea Bro!

Looking Great! Good vibes for the push....no doubt you guys got this!

 

[warthog]

Madjag, buddy, and prop... amazing work! some really nice pics!

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Sea Stim is pretty good at starting up enzyme systems. Sea Crop is good too. So are rock dusts.

It takes enzyme co factors to have functioning enzymes.

Enzyme co factors are trace and ultra trace minerals.

Plants need every element on the periodic table.

Really wonder what Dave did for the 20 yards he sent me, literally no problems.

we went and saw him yesterday, he thinks most of our problems aren't really directly related to our soil or the high PK. its fusarium caused by the poor drainage and the native clay…most of my plants are kicking ass, stacking and getting greasy! I'm thinking about asking him for a custom blend devoid of PK so that i can "cut" my soil a bit.

dave made some pretty bold statements claiming that even though our PK levels were high, that the plant isn't up taking all of it at once and that true organics lets the plant pick and choose what they need. he is frustrated with pot growers because most of us go and do our little tweaks and mess with the regimen, including us with our top dress. he made recommendations already echoed by most here, more calcium and i added Fulmag into the foliars as well. also lowering the PH with sulfur. I've got a bunch of ideas for 2015 on how to improve drainage out there.

either way all those dumb pots are in 2013 EWSF and most are very healthy. and most of my plants in the 2014 mounds are doing pretty good as well, out of 70+ we only have 5 that were negatively affected by fusarium and other issues, and those plants aren't a total loss they dropped a few lower branches to wilt and have smaller nugs, but will still be harvestable. momentum has changed for the better now after a scary late august, the nugs are growing and stacking so fast that its far outpacing any of the problems. our yield should be up 100-200% over last year so 5-10% crop loss isn't the end of the world.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

oh yea he is also very aware of this thread and all the complaints this year about the high inputs. he keeps mentioning elaine ingham instead of kempf and had some choice words for AEA. anyways isn't the AEA field rep from GV on here can you pm me please need to ask you something.

dont want to start another shit fest of arguing, just wondering whats the deal. i try to be unbiased and am not trying to defend EWSF at all i just want to know whats up.

i can send some 2013 norcal blend in for testing, but its been top dressed and hit with teas dozens and dozens of times so probably won't tell much. and also fwiw, even though i had shitty soil test results on my sick mounds, the soil i grabbed from my asteroid mounds was pretty much all in optimum of K it just had high P. no idea why maybe we forgot to top dress that row or something.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

we went and saw him yesterday, he thinks most of our problems aren't really directly related to our soil or the high PK. its fusarium caused by the poor drainage and the native clay…most of my plants are kicking ass, stacking and getting greasy! I'm thinking about asking him for a custom blend devoid of PK so that i can "cut" my soil a bit.

so I'm not sure how NorCal could have poor drainage ? It's supposed to have a bunch of perlite and lava rock. At least mine does. I'm curious how you guys came up with a definite diagnosis of fusarium , did you get a result back from a lab from a tissue test that confirmed that hypothesis ? Native clay soil is awesome if you treat it right. Gypsum , HumaCarb , rejuvenate , and spectrum can do some amazing things to red clay, like turn it in to black soil. I'm curious how you plan to get a mix with no K , Dave starts with green waste compost ,it will always be stacked high in K if it's the base of the blend even if he blends in the 20% castings.

dave made some pretty bold statements claiming that even though our PK levels were high, that the plant isn't up taking all of it at once and that true organics lets the plant pick and choose what they need. he is frustrated with pot growers because most of us go and do our little tweaks and mess with the regimen, including us with our top dress. he made recommendations already echoed by most here, more calcium and i added Fulmag into the foliars as well. also lowering the PH with sulfur. I've got a bunch of ideas for 2015 on how to improve drainage out there.
I don't believe that to be the case. In certain pH and ERGS ranges chemistry is superseding biology. Plants need to mine minerals from the soil to make new cells and complete metabolic functions. Biology does help increase availability , solubility , and efficacy of all elements. That is why when you use lots of quality biology products like spectrum and MycoGensis you can use stuff like kno3 and cano3 or a product like hyperCaP and have it be like pushing a nitrous button , because the plant can easily metabolize the extra free ions in to proteins with an active enzyme system , something you get in the presence of active biology and high levels of trace and ultra trace elements



either way all those dumb pots are in 2013 EWSF and most are very healthy. and most of my plants in the 2014 mounds are doing pretty good as well, out of 70+ we only have 5 that were negatively affected by fusarium and other issues, and those plants aren't a total loss they dropped a few lower branches to wilt and have smaller nugs, but will still be harvestable. momentum has changed for the better now after a scary late august, the nugs are growing and stacking so fast that its far outpacing any of the problems. our yield should be up 100-200% over last year so 5-10% crop loss isn't the end of the world

wish the best of luck to you for seasons close !


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The only thing I do is adjust the micro , trace , and ultra trace on the NorCal , I also have more peat and perlite in mine from mixing old potting soil in it ..I also add a few extra seed meals over what's in the earthworm mix...but no guanos or manures.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

The other funny thing to me is that Dave has had choice words about Elaine to me one example is he said she never saw counts like what he sent her in the worm juice.

I'm not sure why he'd down Kempf some one who is on the same exact path and program of creating healthy soil to make healthy food for healthy people ?

Also , the rep for BA/AEA for the west coast is on the forum

 

[milkyjoe]

I don't have a dog in this fight at all but I do feel for dave. If you build a soil based on biology you are counting on myco fungi and nitrogen fixing bacteria. When soluble nutes get introduced both of those things get shut down

Personally I am an albrecht soil balancer...but that ain't the only way to skin a cat.

Byf...have you added anything other than aea stuff to your 2014 soil?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Neem seed meal , also where we threw down the 20 yards I previously had 8 half yard containers of tom hill mix but I blended those 4 yards of potting soil and perlite in to the 20 yards. I also have Dave change some stuff on the micros and add some other stuff , specific to making the soil work with my water ...I'm sure adding more peat and perlite was helpful

I also prefer to balance the soil and the include biology as well.

 

[milkyjoe]

But no soluble nutes shutting down biology.

Anyways know what is in your soil before altering it seems to be critical