The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[epicorchard]

Are there different pheno's of the GG#4? Isn't it a single clone passed from grower to grower?

 

[Luther Burbank]

Epi, probably better off dropping this conversation in that thread, but just a single clone passed around. The problem is now that it's getting very popular there are loads of unscrupulous people attempting to sell cuts of it for lots of money, but they're not the circle of friends that passed it around at first. I think the issue is cuts are being sold that aren't GG#4.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

I've started, but even then it's difficult and time consuming to get through it. Ha

Has anyone else noticed that when clicking on old posts from the search function to see them in their entirety that it takes you to a couple pages ahead of that post? I end up having to check the time stamp on the post and then find my way back to it...pain in the ass!



Thanks, CEP. I really need to send my soil in for a test..as well as my water. I started with the EWSF norcal blend... added a few compost teas, and just started adding some bloom teas made up of bat and seabird guano, kelp meal, krazy kelp, alfalfa meal, molasses, and EWSF liquid EWC... this has been in an attempt to boost flower production, density, and quality. What the hell do I know though...

For us rookies...simplest is best. Until you can get your soil tested, you're just pissin' in the wind. Its like making a pot of soup and just throwing ingredients in there without doing a taste test along the way. I went too heavy on other things this year when I should have been more focused on my soil and keeping things simple. Lesson learned.

Another question: I bought some Arrowhead distilled water to do some testing, but the pH is at 8.9?? What's up with that?? EC is at 0..but I need to get that pH down to neutral before doing any proper testing, right? Should I just pH down to neutral? Will that effect the accuracy of the tests??

MJ, and everyone else in the community, which meters and brands of them have you settled on? I've looked back through this thread and have seen some brands being suggested, but which ones have shown the most accuracy and consistency? Plant sap pH meter? Brix meter?

My tap water comes out with a similar ph, but if I let the water sit for a day or two, the ph drops to the mid 7s. I may be doing it wrong, but I don't adjust ph up or down until I've mixed in my additives/nutrients. I have a Hannah ph/ec/tds meter that I've been using for two years now and it does the job. Just have to make sure you calibrate the meter regularly. There are cheaper meters that probably work just as well, so shop around a bit before you spend the money. Refractometers are pretty inexpensive and can be found at places like Amazon or globalscientificsupply.com. Buy what you can afford and upgrade later if you need to.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002Z...49131&smid=A3OJY9E0ZY1FCH&tag=pgmp-1603-97-20

I'm very concerned about my pH and brix... I'm just now starting to see a few signs of PM showing up on a few ladies. It's scaring the crap out of me... I was thinking the bloom tea I fed might have triggered it with high application of Phos...but I've actually seen it on some plants that got no feed. Maybe since it's in the air now it's starting to spread. I know I missed out on early prevention at this point. I've spot treated with neem which helped to smother it for a few days, but that's not a viable option for the rest of the season, especially as the climate becomes more hospitable to the PM and the plants progress into flower. I have a gallon of raw milk that I think I'm gonna spray everything down with at a 10-20% dilution...Any reason why I shouldn't? Do you think it will help stop the spread before it becomes a big issue?

Thanks again everyone. This thread is priceless.

Have you tried using Actinovate for that pm? I may grab some and give it a shot myself this year. I got no pm yet, but prevention is key.

HB.

 

[Arminius]

I've started, but even then it's difficult and time consuming to get through it. Ha

Has anyone else noticed that when clicking on old posts from the search function to see them in their entirety that it takes you to a couple pages ahead of that post? I end up having to check the time stamp on the post and then find my way back to it...pain in the ass!

It likely has something to do with the purged pages some time back...
If you find a member in this thread that addresses a subject you want more info on, try to filter posts by that member. A lot of times, you can follow the conversation if quotes are used by the filtered member.

 

[Bulldog420]

also google will do most searches better than ICmag. Even for information only on ICmag.

 

[Organic Grower]

Have you tried using Actinovate for that pm? I may grab some and give it a shot myself this year. I got no pm yet, but prevention is key.

HB.

I've used actinovate in the past on vegetables on another farm. My understanding is that it's used more as a preventative rather than a curative. Id rather be using a more holistic approach to prevention though, such as what a lot of the guys on here talk about.

I have used a couple applications of serenade earlier in the season, especially after the couple foggy misty days we had this summer. Funny thing is that the ones I hit are the ones that are showing early stages of the PM. That could be because I knew they were going to be the most susceptible from the beginning, because they did catch a little bit of PM early in my hot veg room. I guess they were already doomed since then..

I couldn't find Atak anywhere near me. I did spray the milk solution via the atomizer, because it's what I have on hand. Trying to stay positive here and do what I can to help them out.

You say to keep it simple.. Funny thing is that I was keeping it pretty simple. Maybe too simple I think. Water and 2 applications of AACT for the majority of the season. A couple PPD sprays. A little bit of General Oraganics CalMag...maybe not enough. Should maybe have added some other nutes to my regimen. Only one application of that bloom tea. Maybe that wasn't needed.. who knows. You're right, it is like pissin in the wind without accurate measurements. I've gathered some samples of soil top send in to A&L Labs. Anyone know if I can seems those samples in zip locs? Or is a plastic tupperware the way to go?

 

[Organic Grower]

Never mind that last question. I found their phone number. Zip loc bags are an ok means of transportation.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

BYF- have you tried fishers GG4? might change your mind a bit…the indoor glue samples at the HTCC were subpar man even i didn't like them. most were hydro grown and picked too early….when she's in some soil she gets a real proper mocha chocolate sour taste with a little hint of master/bubba…

Organic i got a prune job pic il show soon here just swamped.


So i noticed 2 of my OGs and 1 Grape Stomper are showing Sulfer deficiency. Would like to hear what the experts know about this one, what its related to and if it affects uptake of other nutrients. i added Dr Earth bloom top dress which has sulfur, and foliar sprayed with a sulfur based fungicide. any other/better ways to address this? its the only deficiencies I've spotted so far, everything else is deep green and charging along, not even seeing too much yellow leaf drop just a few here and there on the bottoms.

No but a south fork seed collective member gave gg4 to finished it inside , about 100 times nicer than the cup samples , but still meh

 

[redlaser]

Organic- have you looked into technical grade white mineral oil for pm? application is 10-14 days apart and there is an organic version available. It's an eradicant, as well as a preventative and anti-sporulant. www.stylet-oil.com

I've used actinovate in the past on vegetables on another farm. My understanding is that it's used more as a preventative rather than a curative. Id rather be using a more holistic approach to prevention though, such as what a lot of the guys on here talk about.

I have used a couple applications of serenade earlier in the season, especially after the couple foggy misty days we had this summer. Funny thing is that the ones I hit are the ones that are showing early stages of the PM. That could be because I knew they were going to be the most susceptible from the beginning, because they did catch a little bit of PM early in my hot veg room. I guess they were already doomed since then..

I couldn't find Atak anywhere near me. I did spray the milk solution via the atomizer, because it's what I have on hand. Trying to stay positive here and do what I can to help them out.

You say to keep it simple.. Funny thing is that I was keeping it pretty simple. Maybe too simple I think. Water and 2 applications of AACT for the majority of the season. A couple PPD sprays. A little bit of General Oraganics CalMag...maybe not enough. Should maybe have added some other nutes to my regimen. Only one application of that bloom tea. Maybe that wasn't needed.. who knows. You're right, it is like pissin in the wind without accurate measurements. I've gathered some samples of soil top send in to A&L Labs. Anyone know if I can seems those samples in zip locs? Or is a plastic tupperware the way to go?

 

[Bulldog420]

Like a Disney scene in the garden this morning. Deer in the background, birds chirping and little fairies dropping fairy dust on the ladies....Ok, maybe that last part didn't happen, but it's a beautiful day. Off to pound more t-posts.

Finally hit the ladies with a couple rounds of compost tea's and nutrient teas. They just got flipped on the 10th, but they are really hitting their strides.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

Hey Organic, I just ordered some Regalia instead of the Actinovate I was going to pick up.

Kinda pricey, but if it works as advertised, it should be well worth it.

http://www.marronebioinnovations.com/products/brand/regalia/

HB.

 

[Organic Grower]

Dang I feel like I killed the vibe in here talking about that dreaded PM! On a positive note, it's really only a small part of my garden, keeping it controlled, and for the most part the girls are doing OK. Just riding out the season here and appreciating this unbelievable life I'm living in one of the most beautiful places in the country. I picked up some really gorgeous "kush dream" teens yesterday to boost the crop a little bit. They won't be large plants outdoors, not will they be organic, but they'll help add to my arsenal of tools and knowledge. 20 plants, hope to pull maybe 5 or 10 bows and hope the season cooperates a bit.

Bulldog, love the visuals man. It was a beautiful morning here today too. Life is good.

 

[Bulldog420]

Opps, wrong thread.....

 

[Luther Burbank]

Nah OG, I'm fighting it as well right now. Doubled down on neem to try to hold it back, no avail. Tried a 1 part milk, 7 parts water spray as well, no dice. I have a gallon of sea shield arriving from AEA any day now - we're gonna hope that puts this down.

 

[Shcrews]

it's really cute watching PM try to survive out here in the dry foothills. I definitely don't miss growing by the ocean.

 

[Luther Burbank]

Schrews, my two big girls this summer while I'm back east are about 200 feet from the ocean. Usually it's 95 and 95% here. Those days are miserable.

 

[Shcrews]

Schrews, my two big girls this summer while I'm back east are about 200 feet from the ocean. Usually it's 95 and 95% here. Those days are miserable.

yah it sucks when you wake up in the morning and your plants are soaked. Lost half my crop one year to budrot, i was about 200 feet from the pacific.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

Sometimes I wish I were up in the mountains, but when the surf is firing....I'm glad I don't have far to drive to get to the ocean.

HB.

 

[mr.shiva]

Kush Cleaner

 

[mr.shiva]

I really did grow these upside down. Aussie style.