The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Yes4Prop215]

I was skimming through the early years of this thread and wow! People used to grow absolute monsters..... I mean real trees. What happened? With all the info, good genetics and all day sun it seems at least 10 pound average would be the norm.

I'm going back and reading too, gotta bring back the ShadowCasters!! wonder where Butte and all the other people are nowadays, we had a lot of folks up in here seems like most disappeared. you can still find a few of them like humboldtlocal on instagram…

Gorilla Glue clones

Tangie hybrids from seed

Fire Louie OG kushes from seed

 

[Bulldog420]

Those plants at the end of the season will compete with any pictures in this entire thread. Great work prop, way to represent.

 

[Shcrews]

prop if the tangie is anything like my old tangerine cut then you will prob be pulling those first. I dont think it ever made it past the first week of october. i miss that.

 

[mendo-local]

This girl decided to stop vertical growth and go wide on me. 8ft tall x over 11ft wide. Weird

 

[mendo-local]

Beautiful plants yes4prop215! You sir are killing it.

 

[mendo-local]

I'm loving this little backyard garden. Def. My favorite of the spots. Its nice to wake up with the girls right out the back door.

 

[DunHav`nFun]

I was skimming through the early years of this thread and wow! People used to grow absolute monsters..... I mean real trees. What happened? With all the info, good genetics and all day sun it seems at least 10 pound average would be the norm.

I get in trouble every time I come to this thread , so hopefully since this is just viable information it`ll bring some questions to rest....

Way back when Cali and the PNW up into B.C. went wild wild west legal beagle in the mid 90`s , the smart folks that`d been guerilla farming and learning howta grow inside and saving their ill-gotten gains , bought property to expand operations and become the first collectives and legal producers of pot all up and down the left coast.....

A few yrs in , the original Euro weedsites where all us old heads met , fell by the wayside , died/went away Overgrow and Cannabis World were born for the public weedsites when the internet was new and all the curious heads started finding out about such places for like-minded individuals to exchange experiences and come up with new ideas for growin more dope.....now...

The first big plant thread I ever saw was at Overgrow and they called em "giant pumpkins" after the bigass Alaskan pumpkins that were popular back then.....

Many , many , MANY folks had access to open sunshine and med scrips , co Cali and the boys in BC started growin big ass plants from the late 90`s on.....

Early on there was a scare at both websites about ip`s getting logged with LEO having access , and almost EVERY big player from medville freaked out and deleted their accounts , but wanting to stay in touch with all our new found friends , private "invite only" sites were established with NO hint of marijuana cultivation in the site names , only encrypted for users.....IOW....

By the time ICmag was started in `04 , most all the knowledgeable forerunners on the cutting edge of technology and experience had already gone behind closed doors , and are there to this day where I`m a member of at least 8 if not more , and the point about no one hitting the big poundage numbers anymore is pure and simple.....

All and I mean ALL the big players that own Cali and north for production do multiple light deps for waaay more productive end results of outdoor dope , and warehouse perpetual amaller rooms pumpin out dank every week to 2 weeks for constant flow of fresh product....

Folks here think we have our finger on the pulse of weed production in medville , when the people that actually do laugh regularly at the BYF`s and others that claim they`re the one`s when they can`t even bust 5 lb `ers....

My buddy that runs his winery near Salmon Creek that supposedly I have no clue about and it`s just a road , had 19 and 20 lb Blue Dreams last yr for shits and giggles just to see how big he could get em , while all his perpetual auto-deps started in Jan and every month after till June , pump out harvies every 60 days thereabouts and beat all the glut of outdoor bullshit production from late Sept-till whenever....and oh yeah...he`s also the one with walk-in coolers to store product cured and frozen to thaw as needed for market Veg......and finally...

Big plants run full term have become too tedious and time consuming over the yrs , thus the swing to perpetual light dep OUTSIDE , just like indoor production has fallen the way of perpetual yrs before this , not to mention how wasteful the outdoor setups are with natural resources , PLUS all the nutrient runoff into the groundwater supply that`s not gone "true organic" if there is such an animal.......

Bottom line....The MAJORITY of REAL production growers on the left coast that do this shit for a living don`t come to any public weedsite forums to learn OR teach , so the folks here that think they`re special need to gain some composure and recognize this is a small , SMALL gathering of folks that come here for support and help compared to the REAL world....

Me ?....I`ve always tried to help the kids and newcomers learn the basics , and if they made it through to intermediate level , then I helped dial their shit.....No glamour or ego over here with my old ass.....

Just tryin to keep things real and let folks that don`t know where all the big plant growers went , and here`s not to say there`s not still a lot of folks trying to grow giant pumpkins outdoors full term , I`m just saying the old dawgs , the SMART folks have gravitated to perpetual light dep , JUST like they roll perpetual indoors the rest of every yr.....

Not rocket science....More crops per yr....period....with product gone and paid for before full term dope ever gets cut down and gluts the market.....simple....babyshit...

Got nothing but respect for the folks that DO come here and show their wares like Fisher and Prop....many others too like mendo420 and mendo local I was responding to his question about.....Shcrews , my boy Pono that`s ONLY in his second run of big plants...anyways...no disrespect to anyone here.....even you Veg....

Peace....DHF.........

 

[Diggaz]

Thats Atlantic Giant pumpkins not Alaskan, its not all about the west coast lol.

 

[Madjag]

I get in trouble every time I come to this thread , so hopefully since this is just viable information it`ll bring some questions to rest....

By the time ICmag was started in `04 , most all the knowledgeable forerunners on the cutting edge of technology and experience had already gone behind closed doors , and are there to this day where I`m a member of at least 8 if not more , and the point about no one hitting the big poundage numbers anymore is pure and simple.....

Folks here think we have our finger on the pulse of weed production in medville , when the people that actually do laugh regularly at the BYF`s and others that claim they`re the one`s when they can`t even bust 5 lb `ers....

My buddy that runs his winery near Salmon Creek that supposedly I have no clue about and it`s just a road , had 19 and 20 lb Blue Dreams last yr for shits and giggles just to see how big he could get em , while all his perpetual auto-deps started in Jan and every month after till June , pump out harvies every 60 days thereabouts and beat all the glut of outdoor bullshit production from late Sept-till whenever....and oh yeah...he`s also the one with walk-in coolers to store product cured and frozen to thaw as needed for market Veg......and finally...

Big plants run full term have become too tedious and time consuming over the yrs , thus the swing to perpetual light dep OUTSIDE , just like indoor production has fallen the way of perpetual yrs before this , not to mention how wasteful the outdoor setups are with natural resources , PLUS all the nutrient runoff into the groundwater supply that`s not gone "true organic" if there is such an animal.......

Bottom line....The MAJORITY of REAL production growers on the left coast that do this shit for a living don`t come to any public weedsite forums to learn OR teach , so the folks here that think they`re special need to gain some composure and recognize this is a small , SMALL gathering of folks that come here for support and help compared to the REAL world....

Not rocket science....More crops per yr....period....with product gone and paid for before full term dope ever gets cut down and gluts the market.....simple....babyshit...

The questions posed concerning "Where are all the big tree growers" are interesting because they intuit the answer themselves. As you have said, not as many big tree growers are here on ICmag any longer. Hhhhmmmm....?

More crops per yr.......Is it all about production? Who is asking the question, "What growers are growing the finest quality?" or "Which growers are spending their energy developing pure, organic herb that doesn't fuck up the environment in all of its growth cycle and its development?".

In true American style the search for "big trees" and advanced light-dep production seems to be more about bigger dicks than better loving. Wow.

I've smoked herb from Colombia, from old-school stash growers dedicated to the "high", that was so far beyond anything yet to step out of Cali when it comes to absolute potency that I can only smile in response.

I'm a beginner, for sure. I feel that my 35 years in the dirt is a start especially when you consider the competition worldwide. Many, many generations of herbsmen precede us, and I don't just mean campesinos who don't know what genetics mean. Perhaps American growers have let too much go to their heads and forget that their growing lineage basically started in the 60's. sure, they've come a long way. They can outproduce most growers anywhere and but have let that goal overshadow all else.

Great wine vineyards BTW thin their grapes so mightily in the search for finer quality that their production falls significantly. No problem, though, because their quality is so fine that their wine devotees will pay much higher prices. At least double, if not triple or more.

In India, Aghanistan, Lebanon, Colombia, Nepal, Mexico, Panama, Thailand, China, and all over Africa the Sacred Herb has been grown for its incredible nature and innate healing aspect, not merely for mass production and yield. True, you got to make a living in these times. But the B.S. about, "Where did the big growers go?" isn't the real question at hand.

It's: "Who is devoted to making the Pure even purer?"......."Who is preserving the original genetic playlist?"......."Who is traveling the world and studying the ancient grower's and breeders?".

I loved seeing big numbers from my guerrilla gardens, but I was just a kid at the time. Sam S and Rob Clarke got my quality tip-top with Skunk #1, but before that I still was growing Oaxacan and Michoacan varieties that rival the best anywhere, even today. Oh wow if it took two minutes more to get high than some anonymous OG from nowhere.

That high was truly worth waiting for.....hahahaha.

That's the point.

Once again.....since 1978 there have been 12 foot, 5 pounders grown in native Arizona wilderness canyon soil.....blood meal and bone meal as the only amendments. Cali growers didn't invent big trees; in America, Hawaiian growers did.

 

[Bud Green]

Actually, it's not ALL about either coast....

 

[Madjag]

Yep, the midwest and southeast have been the second largest areas for production since the 70's.

 

[Madjag]

DunHav'n Fun.....

Didn't mean to confirm your visits to this thread as trouble......just my 2 centavos.

 

[mendo-local]

@madjag- I trimmed all but a few lbs of my homebred organically grown herb last year. Most of it went for 22, all of it stayed in state. I know a thing or two about staying on top of the quality market.

 

[Madjag]

@madjag- I trimmed all but a few lbs of my homebred organically grown herb last year. Most of it went for 22, all of it stayed in state. I know a thing or two about staying on top of the quality market.

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Of course, .............there are always exceptions to the supposed rule.

Thanks for standing up. Your input is greatly appreciated mendo.

 

[mendo-local]

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Of course, .............there are always exceptions to the supposed rule.

Thanks for standing up. Your input is greatly appreciated mendo.

Beautiful plant by the way!

 

[DunHav`nFun]

DunHav'n Fun.....

Didn't mean to confirm your visits to this thread as trouble......just my 2 centavos.

No offense taken MJ , and I`ll be the first to say that bigger ain`t always better and quality of finished end product HAS to stand for something....

I grew outside guerilla in the deeeep southeast gulf coast region from mid 70`s to late 80`s before being forced inside by LEO`s air surveillance , and our "Sativa-Zilla`s" never went over 3 lbs and most were 1 lb`ers , but we didn`t know any better and were fine with the best dope around since all we had to compete with was brickweed...LOL...anyways....

I`ll leave ya`ll to it with hopes of each and every one of your gardens havin bumper crops this and every yr to come , but I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions about certain aspects of our hobby about the "giant pumpkins" of these days and yesteryear...Hell.....made this post in another thread....

Charter a small aircraft or get full spectrum google earth access and see firsthand how many MANY folks are growin "outies" every yr up the left coast...it`ll bring things closer into perspective and show several folks how NOT special they really are....

Quality over quantity boys....regardless of the geographic location the shit`s grown in....Shitty outdoor dope FILLS the market every fall , and will continue to do so for yrs to come....Madjag....

Respect....DHF.........

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

I put out my very best genetics in around 70glns of soil this year.
They doin pretty good. I didnt expect them to get so damn big but they did.
Im nervous about LEO and flyovers in September. Ive never had a plant this big.
This spot has had only 3 or 4 in it every year and they only produced about 3/4's of a lb apiece. The smell these are gonna give off is gonna be stupid. Ide rather grow smaller plants than this but it is what it is and Im hoping for a bumper crop of top shelf.
Im sure someone will smell it at some point, but Im hoping they think its just a skunk, since its alot of Chem genetics out there. Plus dont wanna venture into the poison oak and ivy. Its very well hidden....but you cant mask that rank smell that will permeate the air for a 200' radius.

GG#4 ~

Strawberry Dogshit~

Blue Dream ~ found 1 seed in a lb so I figured why not?

Chemmy Jones ~

 

[Yes4Prop215]

those are some nice guerrilla plants overgrown! that blue dream seed is probably gonna go be the biggest yielder.

DHF- i charter a small plane every season to check out whats going on, i would have to argue against some of your rhetoric. for one, still plenty of open sun full term gardens around, especially in my county, i would say GH production is maybe only 25%, although its for sure growing and it is the wave of the future that i intend to get involved. also, not everyone is growing massive plants, from my flybys last year over 50% of gardens were smaller sized plants including a lot of my own plots. i see a lot of herb come down from my friends gardens who have massive plants and most of it is very good quality, way better than the mid grade stuff flooding the country every winter. even the machine trimmed green cracks are sold as high grade in other markets due to its great smell, mature resin heads, its better smoke than commercial beaster indoors. overall i would say that your assessment is mostly generalizations, that may apply to some areas of CA but not all.

Also, the main reason people grow plants this big is due to plant count limits and to maximize yield. Otherwise if i could grow 100s of plants of course i would rather grow a bunch of 2-3lb plants because they are easier to maintain and take care of. And of course i would rather have a auto-dep greenhouse so i can pull down multiple harvests, but when one looks at the investment costs needed for that venture, or the alternative of paying a crew to pull tarps, then sometimes a lot of folks just say fuck it and go full term. If i didn't blow most of my wad on a new indoor facility i would have definitely built a auto dep greenhouse, and i do believe that will be the main avenue of production in the future market. but for now full term still dominates heavily, NorCal OD production is the barometer for the entire national market and dictates prices all across the country. I know there are plenty of guys doing it in other places but just not on this scale and level. My county has 5000 outdoor grows and we aren't even part of the Emerald Triangle! You should definitely charter a plane and fly over the NorCal mountains it will blow your mind!

 

[theJointedOne]

Also, the main reason people grow plants this big is due to plant count limits and to maximize yield. Otherwise if i could grow 100s of plants of course i would rather grow a bunch of 2-3lb plants because they are easier to maintain and take care of. And of course i would rather have a auto-dep greenhouse so i can pull down multiple harvests, but when one looks at the investment costs needed for that venture, or the alternative of paying a crew to pull tarps, then sometimes a lot of folks just say fuck it and go full term. If i didn't blow most of my wad on a new indoor facility i would have definitely built a auto dep greenhouse, and i do believe that will be the main avenue of production in the future market. but for now full term still dominates heavily, NorCal OD production is the barometer for the entire national market and dictates prices all across the country. I know there are plenty of guys doing it in other places but just not on this scale and level. My county has 5000 outdoor grows and we aren't even part of the Emerald Triangle! You should definitely charter a plane and fly over the NorCal mountains it will blow your mind!

yup

 

[bombadil.360]

from the Spanish speaking sub-forum at overgrow, posted by lamanonegra:

Africans in the Pirineos (Spain)

oh yeah baby