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redlaser

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The norcal blend is like 25% worm castings I believe, and the castings themselves are hydrophobic at least when slightly dry. This and some of the other materials make it hard to wet without a wetting agent. I prefer not to use a wetting agent because I believe it will cause its own issues eventually. Even after multiple waterings with drip irrigation you could find dry areas. I'd say you almost have to use a wetting agent with this soil or water it over 2-3 months to get it ready.
 

bamboogardner

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Personally have had GREAT experiences with Dave Royal and the Worm Soil Factory. There are HUNDREDS of yards of his compost on my property between our tree orchard , vegetable garden , and ganja and everything absolutely flourishes.

In all fairness with EWSF soil I must state this. I am very weary in spending 198 a yard for soil, so I checked EWSF out before purchasing. I had a soil test done and the soil was within Albrechts formula. I did an EC of the soil and it was 750, and Tom Hill recommends between 700 and 800. The soil was spot on for the Cubic Yards ordered and when delivered was not hot or steaming, but I purchased in March.

I planted in early May, both out of the hothouse and 5 gallon clones that were small. No buffer of soil between the plants and the EWSF soil. I must admit, the plants are loving it and are as healthy as can be, some approaching 4 foot.

Sorry to hear that some are having problems with EWSF soil. I am not going to offer any suggestions, for that is best left to others that are my mentors here. Best of luck to everyone growing this year and thanks to all the mentors that I continue to learn from.
 

Cartel530

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Pono is jabbing at me because I am of the belief that if you correctly balance your soil that you can plant directly in to it and will not have a problem , in fact your plants will be bigger.

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Sorry to hear about your friends bad luck with the soil from the Worm Soil Factory. Did they get the NorCal Blend? Are they sure it's a soil problem? If so, did they ask Dave to do anything different to it and if they did what? Did your friends do anything 'extra' to the blend once they received it ?

Did your friend submit a soil test to a local lab like FGL or UC Davis?

I have only heard of one other person not having a good run with the Nor Cal Blend soil...Personally have had GREAT experiences with Dave Royal and the Worm Soil Factory. There are HUNDREDS of yards of his compost on my property between our tree orchard , vegetable garden , and ganja and everything absolutely flourishes.

Another thing I have to ask, did your friends use anything like Max Sea or Grow More on their plants?

Sorry to get Sherlock Holmes about it , but I take it personally when some one in this thread says they didn't have a good Experience with the Royals product because I have recommended it for the past few seasons and my personal experience has be nothing but success with it...I'd like to do what I can to help your friend have a successful season.

We also need to keep in mind that just going down to the Worm Farm and spending $198/yd isn't going to guarantee a solid season. Once it gets delivered and the garden gets built , the soil needs to be treated right ... and conventional marijuana growing techniques will destroy the biology in the soil...The key to making available the atom bomb of amendments added to the NorCal Blend...

Yea your half the the reason i preach about it haha.. When i go back down today ill cruise by his house and see but i know it was dropped and they planted using only water so no nutes. It wasnt grower error or he wouldnt have admitted it was his fault and that he is not a nitrogen expert he is a bug and pathogens expert and gave him thousands of dollars in amendments to make up for it.
 

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surprised to hear people having problems with EWSF, i havent experianced any either. my only concern was that it wasnt the best for young veg starts, as it took a while for them to catch. however after a month the veg starts in EWSF took off like crazy, and have had zero issues with water retention.

its definately not as easy to saturate as black gold for example, but im not having any issues keeping it wet. i use shrubbers and it penetrates the soil evenly. handwatering is a little tougher because the water does like to slide off the edge of the mound. so we use a sprinkler system that covers the whole garden in a mist of rain over the night so it totally soaks them in prior to adding a compost tea.
 

furrywall11

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Anyone else having issues with Apex Neverkink commercial hoses? I did a google search and came up with a watchdog site that lists them as very toxic with PVC and lead...also turned up studies on lead inhibiting plant growth. I'm beginning to think that could be the cause of my plant droop since that's the only thing I added (well, also a 2850gl holding tank from a reputable source) and the plants were growing ridiculously well in their ewsf soil for almost six weeks before this.
 

Dreambig

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Almost ready to rock and roll, just waitin for my soil to cool down. Hopefully Sunday they'll be in their final home. Thanks guys for all the tips good luck to everyone this season.
 

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Double F

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sweet greenhouse!

what is the best way to measure ERGS? i tried finding info online and EC keeps coming up, do i put some soil into RO water and then read the water reading?

sorry for the newb question. i am really trying to improve my soil readings this year. already learning so much about brix that i want to start learning more about my soil.
 

FatherEarth

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sweet greenhouse!

what is the best way to measure ERGS? i tried finding info online and EC keeps coming up, do i put some soil into RO water and then read the water reading?

sorry for the newb question. i am really trying to improve my soil readings this year. already learning so much about brix that i want to start learning more about my soil.

Im not sure its the best, but certainly easy and I can vouch for it being durable and reliable.

http://www.hannainst.com/usa/prods2.cfm?id=003002&ProdCode=HI 993310
 
I'm setting up drip lines on my mounds. I'm planing on using alfalfa for mulch. Is it recommend to set up lines on top, or below mulch, or does it make much of a difference?

Thanks
 

ponobegone

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i like to set above the mulch so I can easily inspect my lines, plus I feel the mulch helps spread the water, even if it is just a little
 
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Pros and cons. You're also going to get a longer life out of the lines if the sun isn't hitting it. How much longer depends on how much sun you're getting. Like pono said you won't be able to see whats going on though. Mulch also keeps them clean. I'll be laying the lines on the soil and inspecting the whole system right away. I'm def not mulching with straw this year, pain in the ass to pull the wheat that germinates. Plus it'll only be a month or two before they are shielded from the sun by canna foliage :biggrin:

Thinking of a living mulch but was wondering if anyone here can chime in as to how that going to change my water use, with something like clover?
 

Bulldog420

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Living mulch is the best answer, however I am getting gorilla hair redwood for my mulch. Just picked up a couple yards of it. Mulch is the most important thing outside of nutes/soil, sun and genetics IMO. It helps the micro heard stay healthy, and doesn't create a crust on top of your soil that the water likes to run off.

O by the way, I finally in my new spot!!!!! Got several dozen plants enjoying the nor cal sun ATM. Maybe in a couple months I will have plants big enough to post in this thread. Until then, I got lots of work ahead of me. Good luck on your season everybody.
 
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