The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Sleepiesthead]

Obviously I don't have to say it as it's been said a billion times, but this is the ultimate thread. I am trying to get through it all, and it's taking me a while! I was wondering if anybody knew what page, if there is one, that Butte goes into detail on his 500 gallon brewers?

I am Planning now and I WILL be joining the crowd in the '12 season! Unfortunate circumstances have prevented me from farming in the past few years. Having some friends look out for property for me in Nevada County, and next time I get up there I'll take some pictures of their terraced 35 plants in 150 gallon smarts and post them here.

Gardens this year are looking spectacular!! Good Work!!

 

[sog army]

Lost my first lady of the year yesterday.. Either emitter tubing clogged up or it just got too damn hot and I had to up my water amounts..either way I lost one of my youngest blue dreams.. and I got the blues about it.

 

[nomaad]

what kind of emitters?

 

[Sleepiesthead]

Not Buttes system but this one posted by ROOTWISE looks pretty sweet!

Well, seems like the appropriate time to profile my Tea projects while we're all at it...

A little soap-boxing first of course I firmly believe in the use of AACT. That being said, be careful of getting caught up in the belief that this stuff is the magic, end-all-be-all, smurf juice that gives our plants a forcefield and the ability to thrive through any and all strife!!

First and foremost, make sure your SOIL SCIENCE is spot-on. This is basically Tom's thread and you'll certainly hear him speak of the importance of SCIENCE in our soil, truer words cannot be uttered..

Compost Tea, both Fungal and Bacterial Dominant, provides our plants with the ability to efficiently make use of the available SCIENCE in our soils. Keep that up your sleeve at all times...

Approaching Tea Brewing with the KISS philosophy is a great way to dive in and get started. Buy yourself a decent little airpump and airstones, a 55 gallon drum, some muslin cloth, maybe a venturi style re-circulating pump, and have at it! Don't be intimidated by all the big fancy words being thrown around in here and the elaborate recipes, just do it and HAVE FUN!! Gotta start somewhere!

Early season, I keep it very basic and add to it as I go with some stronger and more Fertilizer based ingredients...

Here's a quick tour of what I'm currently doing:

This pump is a commercial pond aerator, providing 3.6 CFM, a workhorse. The hosing is all Self-Sinking Airline, designed for pond aeration.

Diffusers: The first is a 10" Diaphragm Diffuser, providing a shower of air bubbles from the bottom of the tank, the second is a Rod Diffuser that I made. It is placed directly down the center of the Filter Bag, constantly aerating your dry mix...as illustrated in the following photos:

OK-- Real simple early season dry mix:

Kelp Meal

Vermicompost

My Biodynamic inoculated sheep compost

Fresh picked, homegrown Comfrey. Get yourself a hedge of this going somewhere that you don't mind it taking over. You can cut it back numerous times per season and use the re-growth all the while..

Alright, all you tough guys out there, do yourself a favor and use one of these. You won;t look half as cute as normal but safety first. Just because these microbes are beneficial to our soil doesn't mean they're great for our bodies....just ask my lungs that are just getting over pneumonia....

Last but not least, a high quality, cold-processed Fish Hydrolysate is added...I will also alternate using Molasses every other batch...


Here they are, bubbling away. 660 Gallons of Compost Tea, ready to be deployed tomorrow morning....

This is just one of many ways you can approach Tea Brewing folks. There is a TON of info online, do some searching and come up with your own mixes....remember it's supposed to be fun!

Now GET TO WORK!!!

 

[sog army]

1/4" .5 gph emitters i put 30ft per pot ... after checking its not the emitters.. think it may have been critters of some sort chewing the stem or termites..

 

[chef]

hey check out my security system...Louis got the LVPK on lock down

Hey, I got the same system!

 

[Trinity Gold]

How long do you run that emitter line? I am watering my 300s every other day at this point with almost 40 gallons and inbetween hitting them with 10-15 ...?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Dayummmn TG. We are at about 10% of the pot size a day in CO with very low humidity...one day a week maybe 15%.

You must have those growing like crazy.

 

[sog army]

IM running the emitter line 30ft per pot. Watering every 3-4 days now. My larger ones are drinking more but i got alot of 2-4 lbers. and not so many 10ers. But all my ones that I consider to be in the 10er range drink ALOT.

 

[nomaad]

we are watering about 40 minutes a day. 200's have 25 emitters for about 18 gallons a day and the 300's have 35 emitters... so about 22 gallons. That gets the pots saturated and we can watch them incrementally dry out, starting at the top of the pot and creeping toward the bottom as the day goes on. By the following morning, they are completely dry with a little variation based on weather. We may adjust a few minutes one way of the other based on temperature fluctuations from day to day. On a day where it doesn;t get abouve 83 I will just let them go till the show the very first signs of thrist.

Overwatering was an issue here earlier in the season so maybe we are a little gun shy. I think I will give them a bigger hit of water tomorrow and see if they drink it all in the same amount of time or if they take longer to dry out.

 

[nomaad]

That OGxJolly Rancher is turning out to be a great strain... I am just finishing some up and it both borrows heavily from the OG and brings something of its own to the table. What is amazing about it is its early trigger/fast finish profile. It has a bit of a hair trigger, actually. A supplemental lighting regime till late July, TG, would be perfect for this strain. I definitely didn't get the most out of her this year, but its a keeper. Don't hold me to it, but it could see a solo role in black box shenanigans next season. And, she will go big big big if the soil mass is there. That MK Ultra I am testing out is also killing. It has doubled in size already... growing as fast as the Blue dream, I reckon. Wish i had a taster tester in the black box... i am pretty much flying blind on what kind of nug she'll yield. She's also not a big drinker as she packs on the size.

 

[ManitoidsGhost]

My plants do not look unhealthy, and they never droop... BUT you guys make it sound like i am under watering.... at 20-30 gallons about every 6-7 days.

Over watering is the dreaded curse of gardening...

But should i be watering more?

 

[Trinity Gold]

Looking forward to seeing both the OG/Rancher and the MK Ultra. Think I told ya before, buddy of mine had a good MK Ultra that just was a beast and made VERY OG nugs...The smell to me was just extremely Trainwreck-ish. Hopefully yours comes out similar with a more OG type nose.

Any nug shots of the OG/Rancher? What makes it a keeper?

PS>> Mantoid Cannabis thrives in 50-80% saturation ..a VERY wide spectrum. So while they may not be LOOKING like they need more water, the tighter your water cycle the more you're pushing them...at least that has been the experience this year with the Old Betsy in all my patches..

 

[greengoldylox]

Looking forward to seeing both the OG/Rancher and the MK Ultra. Think I told ya before, buddy of mine had a good MK Ultra that just was a beast and made VERY OG nugs...The smell to me was just extremely Trainwreck-ish. Hopefully yours comes out similar with a more OG type nose.

Any nug shots of the OG/Rancher? What makes it a keeper?

PS>> Mantoid Cannabis thrives in 50-80% saturation ..a VERY wide spectrum. So while they may not be LOOKING like they need more water, the tighter your water cycle the more you're pushing them...at least that has been the experience this year with the Old Betsy in all my patches..

take my first post for whatever you would like, but saying something thrives with such a huge window is silly to me. your aggressive overwatering seems to show how lacking of advantageous situations it creates. no wonder to me you need to use bio fungicides at all. i would also be stocked up if i were in said position.

your plants look very nice tgold, but plants put out early june and treated with much less water yet having equal water holding capacity medium are significantly larger than yours and require much less water. my brix is right on also.

if u would like a pic id love to share, but lets discuss these simple things first?

 

[Ganja D]

take my first post for whatever you would like, but saying something thrives with such a huge window is silly to me. your aggressive overwatering seems to show how lacking of advantageous situations it creates. no wonder to me you need to use bio fungicides at all. i would also be stocked up if i were in said position.

your plants look very nice tgold, but plants put out early june and treated with much less water yet having equal water holding capacity medium are significantly larger than yours and require much less water. my brix is right on also.

if u would like a pic id love to share, but lets discuss these simple things first?

Whats with the hostility? We don't play that game in this thread. We're all down to share,discuss,and learn but you don't need to be disrespectful. You may want to try and come with a more positive attitude.

 

[deltronZER0]

^or at least a little proof to back it up

 

[Yes4Prop215]

im also interested in this underwatering/overwatering....i saw the symptoms first hand in another garden and found it pretty hard to tell what they needed....id like to know what people estimate they are watering per 200 gal...my friends only doing around 5-10 every other day and im wondering if thats stunting growth we dont have signs of overwatering though they look really healthy...heading back up to see them soon..

 

[Dr. Purpur]

take my first post for whatever you would like, but saying something thrives with such a huge window is silly to me. your aggressive overwatering seems to show how lacking of advantageous situations it creates. no wonder to me you need to use bio fungicides at all. i would also be stocked up if i were in said position.

your plants look very nice tgold, but plants put out early june and treated with much less water yet having equal water holding capacity medium are significantly larger than yours and require much less water. my brix is right on also.

if u would like a pic id love to share, but lets discuss these simple things first?

WTF?

We are different in here. We dont insult each other. We have an Honor system.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

I use over 10% water in some holes. Ill dump a 55 gallon barrel into 400 gallons of soil, as long as the soil is a good drainer, and its near 100 degrees out.
I use a wizard water meter with the long probe to see when it needs water. I can tell with my hands, I just double check. And I dont water till they are almost dry and about to get a little wilty

 

[ManitoidsGhost]

im also interested in this underwatering/overwatering....i saw the symptoms first hand in another garden and found it pretty hard to tell what they needed....id like to know what people estimate they are watering per 200 gal...my friends only doing around 5-10 every other day and im wondering if thats stunting growth we dont have signs of overwatering though they look really healthy...heading back up to see them soon..

im at 8-10% volume once a week... and i fertilise every other... so im only fertiliseing twice a month and they receive water 4 times a month.

they look huge... like epi nar nar
(for you on CA dialect )

u used to water when plants started to ask for it, but now have decided that it is too much unneeded stress that way.

my plants do not look under watered / fertilised.

saving money perhaps? still receiving close to optimum results. plants like a wet / dry cycle. doesnt mean bone dry.


also to be noted. huge smart pots need more more often because as a function they dry out quicker.

im in ground... so wheres butte? im sure he has good opinion on this

manitoid


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