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The Great Awakening
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America’s New Great Awakening
A majority of Americans distrust the media and view the press as a threat. And as usual, the media seems utterly clueless that they have created the darkness in which democracy dies.
By Rod Thomson
November 4, 2022
Americans’ Great Awakening is now so well underway that even pollsters and left-of-center opinion writers are finally coming to understand the public’s hatred for a legacy, corporate media that has fully abandoned any pretense of being a common source for information. It has ripped off its mask to reveal itself as the partisan propaganda machine for the state narrative that it has long been undercover. It’s no exaggeration to say the media is the preeminent domestic threat to America.
As someone who spent 20 years in daily newspapers and has been working diligently for a generation to wake people up to the dangers of trusting the media, I’m dancing a rare jig of joy—though not without shedding a small tear for what could have been.
Take a gander at what Peter Savodnik, a left-of-center writer formerly of Vanity Fair and the London Guardian, wrote last week after the jaw-dropping Fetterman-Oz debate debacle:
Savodnik is hardly alone as we see an increasing array of serious left-wing journalists being red-pilled about their industry and walking away, including former New York Times columnist Bari Weiss; Intercept co-founder Glenn Greenwald; Rolling Stone reporter Matt Taibbi; Vox reporter Matt Yglesias and even former magazine columnists such as the far-left Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan, to name a few. Again, not a right-winger among them, but all see what the corporate media has become and at least have the integrity to publicly acknowledge it.
But what is essential in any Great Awakening is that a critical mass of normal people opens their eyes wide. Exhibit A that it’s happening is nothing short of what’s reported in the Washington Post about its own poll with Siena College:
The last comment is an attempt at spin, but it only reinforces the reality that Americans of every political stripe are waking up to the threat that a partisan, radicalized, state-aligned media poses to a free society. It’s 84 percent!
Who could forget how the Washington Post, in the first year of Donald Trump’s presidency, self-righteously ushered in its new slogan, “Democracy dies in darkness”? Well, as it turns out, Americans believe democracy is dying in America, and they blame the media more than anyone or anything else. The Washington Post is a pack leader fulfilling its own slogan. And yet it is all but guaranteed that virtually no one at the Post or the rest of the corporate media has eyes to see what is slapping them in the face.
Self-reflection is not their strength.
Let’s take a recent in-the-news example of how this all works. Ubiquitous in the media is the phrase “election deniers,” which refers to Americans who question the veracity of official vote totals in states that radically altered election laws in 2020 ostensibly as a response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Given state courts ruled some of those changes were illegal, people have the right to question the outcome of close contests.
But Democrats and outfits such as the George Soros-funded, Hillary Clinton-advised Media Matters for America consider all such questions illegitimate and label all those who ask them “deniers.” (The obvious intent here is to conjure images of Holocaust deniers and somehow equate the two things in listeners’ minds.) If you do not religiously recite that Biden won the election and all was entirely on the up-and-up, you are a threat to democracy. And to ensure that message is pushed out in its entirety, the democracy-dies-in-darkness media kicks into action as the communications arm of the Democratic Party.
And so a Google search on any given day will return these sorts of headlines:
But Americans know there were significant “irregularities” in the 2020 election. They understand much more than media elitists think.
- New York Times: “Election Deniers Running for Office”
- Axios: “2020 election denial looms large in Colorado’s 2022 midterm”
- NBC: “Election deniers advanced to November ballots in 27 states, report finds”
- Politico: “Democrats locked in close contests with election deniers for key secretary of state posts”
- Yahoo News: “[Washington state] Election Official Faces Election Denier”
Politico, for example, reports in its daily news blast that “election denialism” is significant: “60% of all voters say that President Biden won legitimately in 2020, compared with 33% (and 65% of Republicans) who say he didn’t win legitimately.” (As far as I can tell, Politico never used such terminology when Hillary Clinton said her election was stolen, and #notmypresident trended for a year after 2016.)
Arizona Republican gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake has repeatedly said, “Journalism has been replaced with propaganda.” She is right. But more importantly, a significant share of the American people now know it.
This Twitter exchange between a GOP Trump “war room” operative and an NBC reporter is pitch-perfect. In it, the two men are doing the exact same job, except one is honest as a GOP political operative and one is lying to people by claiming to be a fair reporter. Americans see it:
Even GOP politicians see it. Former Florida Governor Rick Scott, now a U.S. senator, broke the mold in 2010 when he rejected invitations from 17 state newspaper editorial boards, got none of their endorsements, and won anyway. Twice.
Now, some major Florida newspapers aren’t endorsing at all. Florida Democratic political strategist Steve Schale, who ran Obama’s Florida campaigns, sees newspaper endorsements as irrelevant. “Let’s put it this way, I hadn’t noticed if they had endorsed or not endorsed, and I’m a hack who generally lives and breathes this stuff,” Schale said.
Kari Lake and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis have continued breaking the code in dealing with the overtly hostile media: Don’t participate. They hold plenty of press gaggles, of course. But they hit back smoothly and confidently and give no pretense that they are dealing with objective journalists. More, please.
America’s First and Second Great Awakenings in the 18th and 19th centuries were solely Christian in nature, and they wrought dramatic changes in entire regions of the United States that lasted for generations.
What might this Great Awakening about our national media accomplish? It might be the biggest step yet toward returning the American government to the people, to be administered by the people and for the people.
That the American public has been unaware of this dating back to the 70s and earlier is testament to their inability to sway from the need to cling to some brand of rubbish, be it CBS, CNN, FOX or Twitter or Trump flavored.
4 Keys to Help Someone Climb Out of the QAnon Rabbit Hole
What to do when someone you love becomes obsessed with QAnon, part 3.
Posted September 1, 2020 | Reviewed by Abigail FaganKey ways to get your loved one to view conspiracies rationally:
- Gauge willingness to quit by employing techniques of motivational interviewing
- Maintain connection without judging, ridiculing, or challenging beliefs
- Provide accounts of those who’ve left conspiracy thinking behind
- Get support for yourself and read accounts of those who have exited cults
Source: Stijndon/Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0
This is Part Three, the final installment, of a series on “What to do When Someone You Love Becomes Obsessed with QAnon.” If you haven’t read Part One and Part Two yet, you may want to go back and do so now, to fully appreciate why trying to rescue people from QAnon may not only be difficult but in some cases doomed to fail. But here are a few practical ideas that can help.
1. Understand That "QAnons" Don’t Want to Be Saved
The greatest hurdle in trying to help a loved one who’s fallen down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole is that they probably don’t want to climb out. As the above quotation from A River Runs Through It suggests, extending a hand isn’t likely to help if a loved one doesn’t reach out and grab it or meet you halfway.A similar perspective comes from an old psychiatry joke:
“How many psychiatrists does it take to change a lightbulb?
“Only one, but the lightbulb has to really want to change.”
In Part 1 of this series, I discussed how QAnon is part conspiracy theory, part religious cult, and part alternate reality role-playing game. Thinking about QAnon based on these different facets helps to understand why followers don’t want to escape—doing so might mean giving up a form of recreation, a sense of belonging, or even a new identity and mission in life. But these facets also suggest possible interventions.
For example, modeling QAnon as a kind of role-playing game that has the potential to become a behavioral addiction like video gaming or gambling suggests that some principles of addiction therapy could be applied to help those obsessed with QAnon. In addiction therapy, quantifying motivation for behavioral change is a core concept, with specific interventions matched to each stage of motivation. When that motivation is lacking in the so-called “pre-contemplation” stage, often the best intervention is to simply maintain contact, express concern, and let people know you’re there for them if they need you. That’s a great strategy for the friends and family of QAnon conspiracy theory believers who aren’t looking for help.
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In a type of psychotherapy called “motivational interviewing” (MI), therapists are taught to be on the lookout for any statements that might suggest that a compulsive behavior is causing problems in someone’s life and to use that to encourage change without arguing about it. So, if someone were to say, “I’m getting in trouble at work for spending so much time online, but no one understands that QAnon is more important than anything else,” an MI therapist might reply with a reflective comment like, “other people don’t appreciate how important QAnon is to you and that’s starting to negatively affect your life.” This is a non-confrontational way of echoing distress caused by QAnon that can hopefully nudge someone closer to the “contemplation” stage of thinking about whether it might be worth trying to “unplug.”
Since QAnon is largely an online phenomenon, “unplugging” is a key step in walking away, but is best done willingly. Modeling QAnon as a cult suggests that “deprogramming” techniques—a kind of "un-brainwashing"—could be helpful, but when deprogramming was used in its 1970s heyday, it usually began with families forcibly removing their loved ones from the physical confines of a cult.1 It’s nearly impossible to prevent access to the internet these days, aside from taking internet privileges away from a child or refusing to pay someone’s internet bill. Social media companies like YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter are slowly coming around to doing their part by unplugging QAnon groups from their platforms, but such measures may have limited efficacy.
2. Be a “North Star”
When I’m asked how to approach people about their conspiracy theory beliefs, my first recommendation is to consider your goals. Are you trying to make small talk and keep the peace over Thanksgiving dinner? Are you really trying to understand what your loved one believes and why? Or are you looking for a debate, with the hope of winning and changing someone’s mind?More than anything, what a QAnon-obsessed loved one probably needs is support and to stay connected to something tangible and meaningful in the real world. Depending on circumstances, that might be possible without having to talk about QAnon. Focus on other common bonds instead—and if the conversation comes around to QAnon, try saying something like, "I know this is really important to you, but I'd prefer to not get into politics... can we talk about something else?" Of course, that kind of boundary-setting is less possible when people who are living together or in a romantic relationship are in daily contact.
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If you’re feeling more adventurous and are willing to roll up your sleeves to understand why a loved one is so obsessed with QAnon, make an effort to listen compassionately with the goal of understanding and be prepared to dive down the rabbit hole with them. But understand that belief in conspiracy theories like QAnon requires a rejection of mainstream sources of information so that bringing those up by way of argument along the way isn't likely to change anyone's mind. Neither will arguing from a place of ignorance—if you’re hoping to challenge your loved one’s beliefs, read up on QAnon first—this article is a great start.
The common tactic of ridiculing conspiracy theory beliefs is usually counterproductive but may depend on how far down the rabbit hole your loved one has gone, as I discussed in Part 2 of this series. Research has shown that ridicule and rational arguments can be effective under some circumstances,2 especially for “fence-sitters” who have not yet decided exactly what to believe.
But for “true believers” whose identity has become wrapped up in QAnon, ridicule and argument will usually just make them dig their heels in deeper. For “true believers” then, it’s best to avoid those easy traps—they’re much more likely to end in an impasse than any progress modifying beliefs.
If you’re concerned about your loved one’s descent down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole and worried that you’re going to lose them, consider focusing less on how to drag them out and more about situating yourself as a kind of “north star”—a consistent reference point at the top of the hole in case they ever want to come up for air.
3. Refer to Debunking Experts
Another form of psychotherapy that could be applied to conspiracy theory beliefs is cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), which is designed to challenge “cognitive distortions” and false beliefs by looking at evidence to disconfirm them. However, success in CBT requires not only that the “lightbulb wants to change,” but also that the therapist is adequately equipped to objectively analyze the evidence. That means that in order to engage in “reality testing” about QAnon, you'll have to venture down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole yourself.article continues after advertisement
But the QAnon rabbit hole is so deep and tangled that it’s not particularly realistic—or healthy—for family and friends to jump in with their loved ones. In the 1998 movie What Dreams May Come, the late Robin Williams plays a man who, in order to rescue his wife from hell, has to go there himself to pull her out. In the end, her salvation requires that he give up on rescue in favor of committing to staying in hell forever and losing his mind.
With conspiracy theory believers, that’s often exactly what’s wanted from their loved ones based on the belief that they’ll see the light and want to stay there together. But while “joining them to save them” might make for a great Hollywood ending, it isn’t particularly likely to work in the real world.
I would never recommend that someone try to rescue a loved one from drug addiction by becoming a drug addict themselves nor would I recommend that they try to “wing it” as a psychotherapist to treat a loved one’s psychiatric disorder. Just so, I don’t recommend that friends and family jump down the rabbit hole to debate the legitimacy of QAnon, especially if their loved ones are “true believers” who are deep in the hole. What I do recommend is referring their loved ones to accounts of those who have left the conspiracy theory world or to experts who know about QAnon and have experience and success with debunking.
One “referral” option is to point QAnon believers to the Reddit subforum r/QAnonCasualties where they can read other accounts of just how much havoc QAnon has wreaked on other people’s lives and relationships so that they can better understand why you’re concerned.
While they’re on Reddit, you could suggest that your loved one stop by the subforum r/changemyview to get feedback from others about QAnon conspiracy theories and to read other efforts to “reality test” them. At the very least, doing so could be a useful way of breaking out of one’s echo chamber and fostering cognitive flexibility—another way of “unplugging” as a necessary step towards climbing out of the QAnon rabbit hole.
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Encourage your loved one to check out the discussion forums of conspiracy theory debunker Mick West’s website Metabunk.org. West has detailed knowledge of conspiracy theories and has debunked several QAnon claims, but also likes to point out real-life conspiracies worthy of our attention. He has a kind of infectious enthusiasm for debunking that he believes could satisfy some of the needs that conspiracy theories fulfill for believers.
In that vein, you might suggest that your loved one “do their own research” and spend more time investigating the identity of “Q” rather than accepting what “he” says at face value. In fact, there’s more evidence that QAnon has been perpetuated as a kind of hoax for financial gain (e.g. Google “Jim Watkins”) than there is to support that Q is a reliable source of information. All too often a simple, real-life conspiracy theory lurks behind the more outlandish ones.
4. Get Help for Yourself
If your loved one has fallen down the QAnon rabbit hole, help them by helping yourself. Visit r/QAnonCasualties for support and share your story there.Arm yourself with knowledge. Here’s a recommended reading list:
- “How to talk to conspiracy theorists—and still be kind” by the moderators of the Reddit r/ChangeMyView subforum.
- "My father, the QAnon conspiracy theorist" by Reed Ryley Grable.
- Escaping the Rabbit Hole: How to Debunk Conspiracy Theories Using Facts, Logic, and Respect by Mick West.
- Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs and The Cult of Trump by ex-cult member turned cult expert and counselor Steven Hassan.
- David Neiwert’s forthcoming book Red Pill, Blue Pill: How to Counteract the Conspiracy Theories That Are Killing Us also looks to be a worthwhile read.
And finally, keep watching this space. And good luck.
4 Keys to Help Someone Climb Out of the QAnon Rabbit Hole
What can you do when someone you love becomes obsessed with QAnon?
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Hempy McNoodle
Well-known member
So now you are a conspiracy theorist? I missed the transition when I blinked my eyes, lol.
Hempy McNoodle
Well-known member
Or, in the spirit of adventure, join them and explore the rabbit hole together! What have you got to lose? Are you afraid you might find out the truth isn't what you expected?4 Keys to Help Someone Climb Out of the QAnon Rabbit Hole
What to do when someone you love becomes obsessed with QAnon, part 3.
Posted September 1, 2020 | Reviewed by Abigail Fagan
Key ways to get your loved one to view conspiracies rationally:
- Gauge willingness to quit by employing techniques of motivational interviewing
- Maintain connection without judging, ridiculing, or challenging beliefs
- Provide accounts of those who’ve left conspiracy thinking behind
- Get support for yourself and read accounts of those who have exited cults
Source: Stijndon/Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0
This is Part Three, the final installment, of a series on “What to do When Someone You Love Becomes Obsessed with QAnon.” If you haven’t read Part One and Part Two yet, you may want to go back and do so now, to fully appreciate why trying to rescue people from QAnon may not only be difficult but in some cases doomed to fail. But here are a few practical ideas that can help.
1. Understand That "QAnons" Don’t Want to Be Saved
The greatest hurdle in trying to help a loved one who’s fallen down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole is that they probably don’t want to climb out. As the above quotation from A River Runs Through It suggests, extending a hand isn’t likely to help if a loved one doesn’t reach out and grab it or meet you halfway.
A similar perspective comes from an old psychiatry joke:
“How many psychiatrists does it take to change a lightbulb?
“Only one, but the lightbulb has to really want to change.”
In Part 1 of this series, I discussed how QAnon is part conspiracy theory, part religious cult, and part alternate reality role-playing game. Thinking about QAnon based on these different facets helps to understand why followers don’t want to escape—doing so might mean giving up a form of recreation, a sense of belonging, or even a new identity and mission in life. But these facets also suggest possible interventions.
For example, modeling QAnon as a kind of role-playing game that has the potential to become a behavioral addiction like video gaming or gambling suggests that some principles of addiction therapy could be applied to help those obsessed with QAnon. In addiction therapy, quantifying motivation for behavioral change is a core concept, with specific interventions matched to each stage of motivation. When that motivation is lacking in the so-called “pre-contemplation” stage, often the best intervention is to simply maintain contact, express concern, and let people know you’re there for them if they need you. That’s a great strategy for the friends and family of QAnon conspiracy theory believers who aren’t looking for help.
article continues after advertisement
In a type of psychotherapy called “motivational interviewing” (MI), therapists are taught to be on the lookout for any statements that might suggest that a compulsive behavior is causing problems in someone’s life and to use that to encourage change without arguing about it. So, if someone were to say, “I’m getting in trouble at work for spending so much time online, but no one understands that QAnon is more important than anything else,” an MI therapist might reply with a reflective comment like, “other people don’t appreciate how important QAnon is to you and that’s starting to negatively affect your life.” This is a non-confrontational way of echoing distress caused by QAnon that can hopefully nudge someone closer to the “contemplation” stage of thinking about whether it might be worth trying to “unplug.”
Since QAnon is largely an online phenomenon, “unplugging” is a key step in walking away, but is best done willingly. Modeling QAnon as a cult suggests that “deprogramming” techniques—a kind of "un-brainwashing"—could be helpful, but when deprogramming was used in its 1970s heyday, it usually began with families forcibly removing their loved ones from the physical confines of a cult.1 It’s nearly impossible to prevent access to the internet these days, aside from taking internet privileges away from a child or refusing to pay someone’s internet bill. Social media companies like YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter are slowly coming around to doing their part by unplugging QAnon groups from their platforms, but such measures may have limited efficacy.
2. Be a “North Star”
When I’m asked how to approach people about their conspiracy theory beliefs, my first recommendation is to consider your goals. Are you trying to make small talk and keep the peace over Thanksgiving dinner? Are you really trying to understand what your loved one believes and why? Or are you looking for a debate, with the hope of winning and changing someone’s mind?
More than anything, what a QAnon-obsessed loved one probably needs is support and to stay connected to something tangible and meaningful in the real world. Depending on circumstances, that might be possible without having to talk about QAnon. Focus on other common bonds instead—and if the conversation comes around to QAnon, try saying something like, "I know this is really important to you, but I'd prefer to not get into politics... can we talk about something else?" Of course, that kind of boundary-setting is less possible when people who are living together or in a romantic relationship are in daily contact.
article continues after advertisement
If you’re feeling more adventurous and are willing to roll up your sleeves to understand why a loved one is so obsessed with QAnon, make an effort to listen compassionately with the goal of understanding and be prepared to dive down the rabbit hole with them. But understand that belief in conspiracy theories like QAnon requires a rejection of mainstream sources of information so that bringing those up by way of argument along the way isn't likely to change anyone's mind. Neither will arguing from a place of ignorance—if you’re hoping to challenge your loved one’s beliefs, read up on QAnon first—this article is a great start.
The common tactic of ridiculing conspiracy theory beliefs is usually counterproductive but may depend on how far down the rabbit hole your loved one has gone, as I discussed in Part 2 of this series. Research has shown that ridicule and rational arguments can be effective under some circumstances,2 especially for “fence-sitters” who have not yet decided exactly what to believe.
But for “true believers” whose identity has become wrapped up in QAnon, ridicule and argument will usually just make them dig their heels in deeper. For “true believers” then, it’s best to avoid those easy traps—they’re much more likely to end in an impasse than any progress modifying beliefs.
If you’re concerned about your loved one’s descent down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole and worried that you’re going to lose them, consider focusing less on how to drag them out and more about situating yourself as a kind of “north star”—a consistent reference point at the top of the hole in case they ever want to come up for air.
3. Refer to Debunking Experts
Another form of psychotherapy that could be applied to conspiracy theory beliefs is cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), which is designed to challenge “cognitive distortions” and false beliefs by looking at evidence to disconfirm them. However, success in CBT requires not only that the “lightbulb wants to change,” but also that the therapist is adequately equipped to objectively analyze the evidence. That means that in order to engage in “reality testing” about QAnon, you'll have to venture down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole yourself.
article continues after advertisement
But the QAnon rabbit hole is so deep and tangled that it’s not particularly realistic—or healthy—for family and friends to jump in with their loved ones. In the 1998 movie What Dreams May Come, the late Robin Williams plays a man who, in order to rescue his wife from hell, has to go there himself to pull her out. In the end, her salvation requires that he give up on rescue in favor of committing to staying in hell forever and losing his mind.
With conspiracy theory believers, that’s often exactly what’s wanted from their loved ones based on the belief that they’ll see the light and want to stay there together. But while “joining them to save them” might make for a great Hollywood ending, it isn’t particularly likely to work in the real world.
I would never recommend that someone try to rescue a loved one from drug addiction by becoming a drug addict themselves nor would I recommend that they try to “wing it” as a psychotherapist to treat a loved one’s psychiatric disorder. Just so, I don’t recommend that friends and family jump down the rabbit hole to debate the legitimacy of QAnon, especially if their loved ones are “true believers” who are deep in the hole. What I do recommend is referring their loved ones to accounts of those who have left the conspiracy theory world or to experts who know about QAnon and have experience and success with debunking.
One “referral” option is to point QAnon believers to the Reddit subforum r/QAnonCasualties where they can read other accounts of just how much havoc QAnon has wreaked on other people’s lives and relationships so that they can better understand why you’re concerned.
While they’re on Reddit, you could suggest that your loved one stop by the subforum r/changemyview to get feedback from others about QAnon conspiracy theories and to read other efforts to “reality test” them. At the very least, doing so could be a useful way of breaking out of one’s echo chamber and fostering cognitive flexibility—another way of “unplugging” as a necessary step towards climbing out of the QAnon rabbit hole.
article continues after advertisement
Encourage your loved one to check out the discussion forums of conspiracy theory debunker Mick West’s website Metabunk.org. West has detailed knowledge of conspiracy theories and has debunked several QAnon claims, but also likes to point out real-life conspiracies worthy of our attention. He has a kind of infectious enthusiasm for debunking that he believes could satisfy some of the needs that conspiracy theories fulfill for believers.
In that vein, you might suggest that your loved one “do their own research” and spend more time investigating the identity of “Q” rather than accepting what “he” says at face value. In fact, there’s more evidence that QAnon has been perpetuated as a kind of hoax for financial gain (e.g. Google “Jim Watkins”) than there is to support that Q is a reliable source of information. All too often a simple, real-life conspiracy theory lurks behind the more outlandish ones.
4. Get Help for Yourself
If your loved one has fallen down the QAnon rabbit hole, help them by helping yourself. Visit r/QAnonCasualties for support and share your story there.
Arm yourself with knowledge. Here’s a recommended reading list:
- “How to talk to conspiracy theorists—and still be kind” by the moderators of the Reddit r/ChangeMyView subforum.
- "My father, the QAnon conspiracy theorist" by Reed Ryley Grable.
- Escaping the Rabbit Hole: How to Debunk Conspiracy Theories Using Facts, Logic, and Respect by Mick West.
- Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs and The Cult of Trump by ex-cult member turned cult expert and counselor Steven Hassan.
- David Neiwert’s forthcoming book Red Pill, Blue Pill: How to Counteract the Conspiracy Theories That Are Killing Us also looks to be a worthwhile read.
And finally, keep watching this space. And good luck.
4 Keys to Help Someone Climb Out of the QAnon Rabbit Hole
What can you do when someone you love becomes obsessed with QAnon?
Hempy McNoodle
Well-known member
New Q Post! 
Hempy McNoodle
Well-known member
pants down...sorry boss, Freudian slip
You have never paid any attention. As mentioned previously your ability to follow thought, dialogue and logic is lacking. I do not buy into outlandish theories but my eyes have been open to concerted propaganda since I was 10 years old.
Three Berries
Active member
End the FED and we have to deal with real money. None of this skimming for the Big Guy.
Three Berries
Active member
But the mask though.......
Hempy McNoodle
Well-known member
See ya twitter!
I wouldn't want to hurt any advertisers' interests...
Thanks Hempy.
Fucking tool.
Thanks Hempy.
Fucking tool.
On with the Nazi jerk circle.
The T is always silent before a hey.
exactly...for you.
