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Diary The Further Adventures of Mr VerdantGreen

VerdantGreen

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plant 3, this possibly my favorite.
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and plant 4 the tallest
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Thanks @skunkfunk i'll send some packs in to seedbay/bou soon.

The BlueDigiRhino came down today. These also smelt skunky but with more of a sweat doughy floral edge to some and some smelt cheesy too. i need to get my head around the smells they are quite unusual...
they are coming up to 10 weeks and all ripe, in fact a couple could have been harvested last week if i'd had the time.

The tallest one:
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and the second tallest
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swampthing

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Ditto. Hey @VerdantGreen love how much you test your lines. It’s not often breeders share their testing, just glamour shots. Seems like they breed em and are done with them unless they’re going to run them for a project. Of course I don’t know what goes on behind most “breeders” curtains, but I feel like the breeding landscape these daze is much like the land of Oz.

What size pots are you flowering in and what’s the average veg time you’re putting in on these ladies.

Thanks brother
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Edit: do you still have White Rhino and if so, do you have any WR lines that you’ve worked on and not outcrossed? Lastly, have you ever worked the WR to the Bubba? That’s something I would love to see.

All the best man. Have a great week
 

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Hi @swampthing - thanks for the kind words!
The test grows.. i like to know for myself what the lines are like and it makes good promotion.. plus i have had a few really good indepenedent ones recently too from members here if you check my seedbay forum. You are kind of putting your arse on the line showing the whole thing but i am usually lucky and it works out ok.
Veg time and pot size.... i tend to veg for just long enough for the plant to branch out a bit after topping and then throw them into flower immature. My aim is to try and sex them before they get too rootbound in their pot and then up-pot as soon as i know which ones are girls - hopefully keeping them going without a growth check. They end up in 11 litre pots which are just about big enough for them to express themselves without the pot keeping them too small.
This round i think they went from 3.5 litre to 11 litre on the last repot which went ok... next time i think i will try 5.5 litre to 11 as i think they may keep going better then and use the 11 litre pot better with their roots.
White Rhino x pre-98 Bubba (fems) were the first cross i made with the Rhino and it has done really well, the WR really seems to add potency and augment the terp profile than usually still leans toward bubba.
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swampthing

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Hi @swampthing - thanks for the kind words!
The test grows.. i like to know for myself what the lines are like and it makes good promotion.. plus i have had a few really good indepenedent ones recently too from members here if you check my seedbay forum. You are kind of putting your arse on the line showing the whole thing but i am usually lucky and it works out ok.
Veg time and pot size.... i tend to veg for just long enough for the plant to branch out a bit after topping and then throw them into flower immature. My aim is to try and sex them before they get too rootbound in their pot and then up-pot as soon as i know which ones are girls - hopefully keeping them going without a growth check. They end up in 11 litre pots which are just about big enough for them to express themselves without the pot keeping them too small.
This round i think they went from 3.5 litre to 11 litre on the last repot which went ok... next time i think i will try 5.5 litre to 11 as i think they may keep going better then and use the 11 litre pot better with their roots.
White Rhino x pre-98 Bubba (fems) were the first cross i made with the Rhino and it has done really well, the WR really seems to add potency and augment the terp profile than usually still leans toward bubba.
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Doh! This is all info I should’ve done a lil research on before posting, as I’m sure it’s already out there. IMHO testers are worth their weight in gold, not discounting that in the least. Like any experiment, it’s invaluable to have different variables, and in the case at hand… environment, veg time, medium, nutrients, and most importantly the TLC that goes into it. Whether it be the lack-thereof TLC/ie stress, watering schedules and amount or even drought, trimming, defoliating, stressing, or even talking and spending time with the suckers. All important variables that a breeder must take into account as every grower is different, sometimes vastly. All of these things go into how plants genetics vary phenotypically. For better or for worse.
I myself haven’t had the best luck with testers. Funny how some people just disappear and your genetics pop up at auction or whatever. Part of the game. Even more so than the early forum daze when the community was much tighter knit and genetics were more coveted and harder to come by.

Either way, rock on dude! I’ll try to be more active and pop in more often. It’s always fun to watch lines show all the fun traits buried deep within.
Thanks for sharing and baring with me.
Stay up
Swampy

Edit: I’ve read the PTK (at least Hazeman’s) was similar or may even be the same line as the 79 XMas Bud. What’s your take on that? That being said and if that’s accurate, I’m assuming the color comes from the Bubba side? Thanks
 

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Early impressions of the Gorilla Vs. Rhino : Cheesy diesel skunk type of funk... not smoked any yet.

@swampthing The Purp comes from the Pakistani PTK i reckon, there is no Bubba its Gorilla Bubble x PTK.
Gorilla Bubble is @Tonygreen 's Gorilla Glue line.
Yes i heard about the PTK/xmas tree bud drama lol. My PTK came from TomHill via @leangreen so fwiw it is defo PTK.

And no worries on the info.. i'm always trying to perfect a smooth transition to flower (with regular seeds) that allows the plant to be sexed whilst smallish but not get rootbound before the final repot that needs to happen while the roots are still growing well. (i'm gonna waffle on about it now) ...
basically a bit of root restriction helps the flowering response - its an old tomato grower's trick to leave the plant in it's pot until the first flowers are set before planting it out as this way you get fruit sooner.. and as a general gardener ive seen that this works in a few differetnt plants. ... but at the same time if the roots get too tangled/rootbound then the plant stalls and you dont get the most of the final stretch/growth spurt as it properly goes into flower. kind of different variables every time but thats the aim...
i'd be interested to hear other growers' methods on this.. i don't have the space to grow them all big enough to show their sex before being put to 12/12

in other news, the PTK was harvested today and this round is over in the cab. just the drying / curing /smoke tests to come. I have a few more pics i just need to sort them.
Pine Tar Gush 9 weeks. Sweet Pine Fuel.
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Redrum92

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I do the intentional low-grade root bound method, but for different reasons: 1) makes more efficient use of soil/doesn't waste as much space 2) plants can go through the dry/wet cycle more quickly when slightly rootbound, which I find speeds things up as opposed to when a tiny plant is in a big pot.

Never occurred to me to do that to get things to show sex early. Interesting. I do my last repot as late as a week or two after the flip to 12/12 and don't notice any detriment as opposed to doing it a week or two before flip. There seem to be continuous bursts of rooting throughout most of the life cycle, so it will take advantage whenever you give it room, IME. I let them get pretty coiled up before flower, but as long as they have plenty of room to blow up in after flip, they do fine, I've never seen it be any detriment.

That being said, I'm no expert, and have 1/100th as many data points as many here. I also only grow pretty vigorous hybrids, so fussy strains or pure/unworked genetics may not fare as well, idk
 
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Hey @Redrum92 thanks for weighing in on that.. agreed the roots keep growing during flower but they do slow down as flowering progresses, more so for indica than sativa imo.
i would also repot a couple of weeks into flower but it would be quite a modest increase in size.
also, when flipped, unsexed plants can take anything between a few days and a couple of weeks or more to produce pre-flowers and is a very different discipline to flipping a clone of known sex - where i would ideally have vegged it into its final pot for a week or two before flipping.
like i said there are so many variables at play that i find its better to 'play it by ear' to a certain extent. i'm fine with a little root binding but the growth will 'stall' eventually and then it takes a few days or a week to get going again after repot (not ideal in early flowering) . i agree on the soil / space reasons.
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My 2p worth.

It depends on how depleted the existing medium is. If the plant is rootbound (done deliberately for stasis purposes), then it's nice to give the plant time to wake up and grow some roots into the new food, prior to placing heavy demands on it.
On the other hand, if you're on a speed run, no stasis/strong light throughout, it's better for the roots to hit the tub sides before flipping, to reduce 12/12 stretch and the time till ripe flowers.

Again, that's all for indicas, I don't grow crazy sats.
 

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that's well put @GMT ,i agree with you.
Lots of variables and more than one right or wrong way to do it.
I'm a firm believer that, if you do it right and within the 'boundaries' you can keep that growth going without check and that's the best way to do it... because once the growth slows down.. it then takes a few days to get going again. Not a big problem if you are in mid-veg but you don't want to compromise the transition to flower if you can avoid it.. but at the same time you can't put every unsexed plant into a massive pot just in case!

A few more harvest pics of the Pine Tar Gush, taken down at 9 weeks.
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