"THE DEVIL AND MI5 L.E.D STYLE"

[skotty]

Let me ask you this skotty, {I think i asked in your other thread earlier} as far as transplanting goes, if i'm starting reg. auto seeds and need to cull the males from females, and i'm only going to be using 8-10 oxy-pots, would it still be wise to put cubes in oxy pots as soon as roots show<risking some turning male, thus having to have to remove and start over with more seed.. or will they haved shown sex by this time also??? how many seeds should I start to get a good female ratio for these 8-10 pots..
This is all easier when using fem seeds, what's the BEST way when not?? Thanks!

to answer your question

i think what your are asking me is it ok to grow the plants in rockwool untill they show sex in which case yes it is

start off with the 1" cubes then transplant to your bigger cube and wait for them to show sex, dont over water the cubes and dont to let the cubes dryout,
my other advice is to leave the plastic wrap on the bigger cubes to force the roots to grow downwards

i did this back in the day with an onyx and an mi5 sexed them in cubes before transplantig here is some pics

mi5 sexed in rockwool cube

and finished up

here is an example of an onyx that vegged for 4 weeks just in a rockwool cube, unfortunatley it didnt show sex and at the time i couldnt switch to 12/12, how i kick myself as it looked like it was gonna be a monster

 

[skotty]

hahahhahaha, lol! Fk me sideways bro, thats some serious shit right there! Beast, & is that with the Micro pore stones in too? Im glad its gone smooth for ya. Its surprising that the delicate roots can take such an enviroment man, but believe me they thrive in it.
Do you use a Plant start product at all man? I like to use Ionic for the first 3 weeks, i find very young plants take to it very well & they come on quick. All looks Bangin man! I like It!
40 db's is still very quite for 60lpm, quality bro! 15lpm per pot sounds mustard buddy, D'O power up or what!!

i just use nutes at small dosage and work my way up i think ive got a bottle of fomulex knocking around but never really used it

plenty of rhizo and light feed seems to do the trick for my babies

This is impressive

thanks for ya input appreciated

i think towards the end of this grow im gonna germinate some chronic and sharksbreath so they are ready to flip 12/12 when this is finished and move to the hydro section,
unless stich chucks me some super cali haze seeds in which case ill grow them out, im already planning my next grow as things seem to be going swimmingly well in here lol

ill do a proper update later

peace

 

[Scrogerman]

Looks Good Buddy!
How much you paying for your Rhizo was that £39.00 i see? i pay just over £16 per Litre! Under £50 for the Boost Accelarator too(per litre)-£68 ive seen at one place, if i decide to use it again, get nutes cheaper than most places too. Some places charge silly prices. PM me if you want a cheap supplier man, all the stuff i get is always well in date(always over a year) etc.

Wont be long now & my m2 ScrOG will be up n runnin, i cant wait to show ya mate! I may even buy one of those Hailea's you got there, 40 db's takes some beating for 60lpm. Cant moan for 50 nicker. My old Kam-Air 70 was 49db's(i think), just got away with it!

What PK n Carbs you gonna use this time man? I was thinking of giving BudCandy a go! Im still looking for that magic Nute & addy programme! I do like the Vitalink Max for DWC, it was better than the Aqua for me, i did like the Aqua though. have you seen Heath Robinson's latest Tree water farm grow-? Unreal as are most of his efforts. Good Luck Mate!!

 

[skotty]

Looks Good Buddy!
How much you paying for your Rhizo was that £39.00 i see? i pay just over £16 per Litre! Under £50 for the Boost Accelarator too(per litre)-£68 ive seen at one place, if i decide to use it again, get nutes cheaper than most places too. Some places charge silly prices. PM me if you want a cheap supplier man, all the stuff i get is always well in date(always over a year) etc.

Wont be long now & my m2 ScrOG will be up n runnin, i cant wait to show ya mate! I may even buy one of those Hailea's you got there, 40 db's takes some beating for 60lpm. Cant moan for 50 nicker. My old Kam-Air 70 was 49db's(i think), just got away with it!

What PK n Carbs you gonna use this time man? I was thinking of giving BudCandy a go! Im still looking for that magic Nute & addy programme! I do like the Vitalink Max for DWC, it was better than the Aqua for me, i did like the Aqua though. have you seen Heath Robinson's latest Tree water farm grow-? Unreal as are most of his efforts. Good Luck Mate!!

rhizo was £29.99 but thats about the going rate unless you got serious contacts but i dont mind paying it cause it does a good job, been looking at that house and garden excelurator its expensive but heard its gravy and the roots love it, 50 boys for 500ml is a bit louis vitton, but if you can get it on the cheap cheap let me know

ive swithced my nutes around a bit this time round gonna do a few experiments again to see what works and what dont

cann aqua veg and flower
pk13/14
carboload
hammerhead
overdrive

the buckets will get

1 will get pk13/14 over a 3 week period in smaller doses and carboload

2 will get hammerhead and carboload

3 will get hammerhead carboload and overdrive

4 will get pk13/14 carboload and overdrive

thats if i get 4 bitches if not ill have to switch it about a bit either way im fully flex on the situation

been out and bought another 2 buckets today as they are shit hot for mixing up a res of nutes in, you was asking about my water well it has a background ec of .4 and i always let it stand for 24 hours to let the chlorine evapourate and blow oxygen in there as well before adding it to my plants, also try and make sure the ph is stable, was gonna take the r/o route but it seems you have to add the calcium back after taking it out bit of a fuk about but there ya go

im looking forward to ya grow and seeing ya setup i might pick up a few tips myself

peace

 

[skotty]

scrogger let me know when that diary is up and running

update....

 

[skotty]

day 14 from seed

1st res change today after 14 days in the bucket i should of done it sooner, i like to do it every week just to keep things fresh

ph 5.6 and ec .6 ive increased the ph a little and will continue to let it rise to 5.8

should see sexing in the coming week from this 1

the net pots are 6" wide so the il diavolo is currently at 7"

the mi5's are on day 10 from seed and the last 1 to sprout is flying along its almost as big as the other 2 kerazy

dont know if its me but the plants seem to being staying a bit squat do you think this is because of the light and tighter internodes ???

a few pics of the plants

il diavolo

and the mi5's

peace

 

[prophis]

Dope Update. LED's seem to be doing proper

 

[Scrogerman]

within the next week i should be up n runnin, Clones have rooted well in the Bubblecloner, one Pheno is playing me up the other not a bother. should have something up 4 ya to see before the end of the week. its a bugger being skint.

 

[skotty]

within the next week i should be up n runnin, Clones have rooted well in the Bubblecloner, one Pheno is playing me up the other not a bother. should have something up 4 ya to see before the end of the week. its a bugger being skint.

make sure to send da man dem the link i

just checked on my plants and my il diavolo has sexed showing female trait, however im far king gutted cause its like day 15 from seed and she aint even grew much grrrrrr

why do i feel like this plant and strain is gonna be a waste of my time and efforts far canal,

at least i got my trusty mi5's on standby hopefully i can pull something big off them

5 3/4 weeks left till harvest on the devil

peace

 

[lowrydergrower]

Very nice skotty they are growing really fast I will have to give dwc a try some day. Did you start in dwc or switch from soil?

 

[skotty]

Very nice skotty they are growing really fast I will have to give dwc a try some day. Did you start in dwc or switch from soil?

that il diavolo is growing 2 fast for me it sexed way 2 early i prefer my autos to sex arond 3 weeks so they have a nice veg period,it can only mean its gonna be piss poor yield

hydro all the way for me buddy ,had the choice when i 1st started growing like everybody does between soil and hydro and i opted to learn the ponics way of life

soil is for gardners, hydro is for scientists

peace

 

[Scrogerman]

Ive picked soil back up for the first time in about 15 years, something like that & believe me i now remember why the Fk i stay away from soil. Its messy, dirty, & fk loads can go wrong, you have little control with whats going on in the medium, if you need to leach/flush its detrimental to roots & a whole host of other bollocks. No problems in DWC or NFT, they are soo easy to do & you have full control, if you mess up, a quick flush & Res Change & your back to normality, i cant say the same for messy soil, what a pita! Like skotty said, 'soil is for gardeners'. its a no-brainer!

 

[skotty]

^^^^ what he said

dont know if anybody read my blue cheese diary where i stated the lower buds cooking quicker than my main colas but ive got exactly the same thing going on here (i dont mean size of buds ) let me explain

the light distance recommened for this light is 12-18" above the plants, now ive had the light about 24" above my plants and my mi5's seem to be growing slow so yesterday i raised the light to 37" above the plants and within 24 hours the mi5's have started to grow rapid, i appreciate my plants are still babies and that light does need to be kept a fair distance away but can anybody explain to me why this is happening? is it a case of penetration being to strong and the babies were finding it to much,

if this is the case then i can determine how big i want my plants to be just by placing the light at certain heights, full control over what i want the plants to do,

however when they hit flower the plants genetics will kick in and i will not be able to do shit about it

led's dont give off much heat so you would think that placing them closer would benefit the plants however im finding this not to be the case, the higher the light at this stage of the grow the more the plants like it the plants are not stretching for the lights as in the leaves are praying upwards but they are just soaking up the rays,

im not overly familiar with vegging with leds so this is all new to me obviously when they hit flower i will be more inclined to know what to do

also i have a deficency on my il diavolo i know what the def is but can anybody else guess what it is,only this plant has it ????

peace

 

[Scrogerman]

Looks like something got splashed on the leaves & caused some damage. its harder to tell with LED light on. Spill the Beans, what you wreckon it is mate? Mg?

On the Light Distance scenario, ill have a ponder for a bit!
From my understanding of light & distances id say they are stretching, if your decreasing intensity. Plants will grow naturally shorter & squater if given a higher intensity but spectrum also plays a bit part in that. Its the same of HID's ive noticed, manipulating lamp distance will controll plant height & width(spectrum dependant), to some extent!.
But obviously youve spotted something there man. Are you getting really tight internodal spacing along with the height increase? Its good to have control like that, nice observation.

 

[r1zla]

i've got my own leds and i have been playing about with the height too. I've tried to judge mine to get the angle of light coming out of the exact middle of the panel covering fractionally less than the full canopy. any higher too much is reflected off the walls, any lower and its reflected off the growing media and reflection weakens the light.

ye might not be able to do this on your panel, but with the seedlings i could slightly bend the leds so they all angled more into the middle of the panel so less was sent out the sides.

looks like your grow is at the same stage as mine but i'm using horrid soil and some cfl's as well as leds.

Subbed and i'll be watching with interest. good luck

 

[REZDOG]

Hi.
Fwiw-Ruderalis ("hemp") should have never,ever been introduced into indoor marijuana hybrid development.
It was a mistake Neville made in the 80s,when he was trying to shorten flower times but instead got marijuana with greatly-reduced potency and lots of hempy crap.
Do yourself a HUGE favor and DUMP THE RUDERALIS.
Get some real indoor marijuana genetics,and you'll have FAR better results,and pot. For what you're doing,Cinderella 99 is your best bet. Trust me,ruderalis or ANY ruderalis hybrid,aren't remotely worth bothering with,and if you like the smoke,it's simply a fluke,or you haven't had better,my friend.

That said,good luck with the grow!

~RD~

 

[skotty]

Looks like something got splashed on the leaves & caused some damage. its harder to tell with LED light on. Spill the Beans, what you wreckon it is mate? Mg?

On the Light Distance scenario, ill have a ponder for a bit!
From my understanding of light & distances id say they are stretching, if your decreasing intensity. Plants will grow naturally shorter & squater if given a higher intensity but spectrum also plays a bit part in that. Its the same of HID's ive noticed, manipulating lamp distance will controll plant height & width(spectrum dependant), to some extent!.
But obviously youve spotted something there man. Are you getting really tight internodal spacing along with the height increase? Its good to have control like that, nice observation.

i didnt think any 1 would understand what i was saying as it is quite technical thats not to say all stoners are stupid

lifting the light can effect the internodes to close and they will grow slow to high and they will space out more and if you find the sweet spot then its game on

ive come up with a soloution of were to put the lights for seedlings or vegging plants as a trial for me

37"-30" may increase stretching

30"-24" may cause tight internode growth

24"-12 may slow down growth

im not saying these figures are accurate but they are ball park figures for me to play around with and once ive found a few sweet spots well skys the limit

the spots on the leaves were caused by ph to low i set my water to 5.5 and checked my ph meter which was out by .1 making the il diavolo out of range @ 5.4, the mi5's were set @ ph 5.6 which would of made the ph 5.5 hence why it only happened to the devil

all buckets are now spot on

i've got my own leds and i have been playing about with the height too. I've tried to judge mine to get the angle of light coming out of the exact middle of the panel covering fractionally less than the full canopy. any higher too much is reflected off the walls, any lower and its reflected off the growing media and reflection weakens the light.

ye might not be able to do this on your panel, but with the seedlings i could slightly bend the leds so they all angled more into the middle of the panel so less was sent out the sides.

looks like your grow is at the same stage as mine but i'm using horrid soil and some cfl's as well as leds.

Subbed and i'll be watching with interest. good luck

as i stated above its about finding sweet spots for the plants once i have the lights dialed in then i can pretty much control every aspect of the grow, i already have full control over their nutrients and what they can have and when they can have it and now i have full control over their light source and can determine their height , stretch and internode spacing once i find the correct heights, it will take a couple of days to monitor the plants to see what works best then its all systems go

thanks for dropping in

Hi.
Fwiw-Ruderalis ("hemp") should have never,ever been introduced into indoor marijuana hybrid development.
It was a mistake Neville made in the 80s,when he was trying to shorten flower times but instead got marijuana with greatly-reduced potency and lots of hempy crap.
Do yourself a HUGE favor and DUMP THE RUDERALIS.
Get some real indoor marijuana genetics,and you'll have FAR better results,and pot. For what you're doing,Cinderella 99 is your best bet. Trust me,ruderalis or ANY ruderalis hybrid,aren't remotely worth bothering with,and if you like the smoke,it's simply a fluke,or you haven't had better,my friend.

That said,good luck with the grow!

~RD~

i tend to agree with ya that the majority of ruderalis strains are piss poor lets take the il diavolo for instance i just know it aint gonna yield big for me, but on the flip side thier are some absoloute jems out their and i would recommened any of stitch's genetics to try at least once just to see if they compete with what you are smoking, i can honestly say that being in the uk and living in the midlands we get some banging strains straight outta birmingham etc with the likes of the cheese, armageddon skunk , lemon haze , lsd , trainwreck to name a few and i can honestly say that the onyx was up their with them

you should try it at least once but pick a good strain one that has banging reviews russian rocket fuel , onyx , mi5 , sour 60,s and when they can yield 3 oz + in a 10 week grow seed to harvest you cant go wrong and at least then you can have an honest review on them just do 1 grow as a tent filler and you will see what im talking about

cheers for dropping in and yeah your right my regualr strains will be coming out when the uk temps drop and are not foo king up my res temps and ive had a pratice run with these lights

peace

 

[prophis]

"Mistake" is an opinion. And i disagree. The concept is good, and greater potential is being achieved.

I'm enjoying My autos right now, Mi5's smell and smoke outstandingly unique & wonderful

 

[uptosumpn]

Hey skotty, thanks man! great pictures and info on the transplating/sexing! you are dead-on and just helped me resolve a main problem with my set-up! It's gonna "FLOW" now from my stagger grow!! I really need to finish gettin the rest of updated equipt. for this oxy-auto grow..here's a question for yaa...whatta ya think 8-10 oxy-pots can produce under a 600hps in a 4' x 4' space?

to answer your question

i think what your are asking me is it ok to grow the plants in rockwool untill they show sex in which case yes it is

start off with the 1" cubes then transplant to your bigger cube and wait for them to show sex, dont over water the cubes and dont to let the cubes dryout,
my other advice is to leave the plastic wrap on the bigger cubes to force the roots to grow downwards

i did this back in the day with an onyx and an mi5 sexed them in cubes before transplantig here is some pics

mi5 sexed in rockwool cube

and finished up

here is an example of an onyx that vegged for 4 weeks just in a rockwool cube, unfortunatley it didnt show sex and at the time i couldnt switch to 12/12, how i kick myself as it looked like it was gonna be a monster

 

[skotty]

"Mistake" is an opinion. And i disagree. The concept is good, and greater potential is being achieved.

I'm enjoying My autos right now, Mi5's smell and smoke outstandingly unique & wonderful

have to agree the mi5 is a really nice smoke,but every 1 is entitled to their opinion

Hey skotty, thanks man! great pictures and info on the transplating/sexing! you are dead-on and just helped me resolve a main problem with my set-up! It's gonna "FLOW" now from my stagger grow!! I really need to finish gettin the rest of updated equipt. for this oxy-auto grow..here's a question for yaa...whatta ya think 8-10 oxy-pots can produce under a 600hps in a 4' x 4' space?

it really does depend on what strain you choose to grow but i would say that a minmum of 1 oz per plant in 10 buckets will give you 10 oz return minimum which in a 8-10 week grow is good,

if you spaced out your grow and germinated 10 more seeds at week 4- 5 you could have 10 oz + every 4-5 weeks minimum, when 1 set is finished flowering you then put your new 1's into finish off, its a perpetual harvest

the biggest advantage of autos is you can veg and flower all in the same tent and you dont have to worry about the light cycles

hope this helps

peace