The DEFINITIVE OG Kush History

[Dankwolf]

some of those pics really bring me back...ha

So ? ........

Ok i dont get it how does bubba or dubbel /sour dub have anything to do with og ? I see no kush in the fire , sfv or any suposed related cuts . to me it is a high altitude afghan with some colunbian/ red hair with just a touch of haze .

Og kush reminds me of a critacal mass ( or simaler genetic ) that nocked up a afghan . . bubba kush seems more like a hash plant in structure , smell and taste .


I wish josh or marc would chime in

 

[dank.frank]

Why would you ask him about Sour Dubble? That is Greyskull's plant. It's Sour Bubble x Sour Diesel

It doesn't have anything at all to do with OG or Bubba or "kush" as being discussed in this thread. "Kush" in this sense has nothing to do with the eastern world - it has to do with Florida.

Not sure what's so confusing about the whole thing. SFV. Fire. All those - are just bag seed from sacks of OG.

Bubba, the plant that got pollinated by OG Kush, is thought to be an NL#5 cutting, is my best understanding. However, Phylos shows a common link between OG and Bubba being a "Ghani" held by R.C. Clarke - so make of it what you will.

Otherwise, even if the clones are "just" - as you say - they are still elite selections from those gene pools that have without question stood the test of time.



dank.Frank

 

[AstroTHC]

CHEMd xSFV OG

 

[AstroTHC]

 

[RoyalFlush]

Why would you ask him about Sour Dubble? That is Greyskull's plant. It's Sour Bubble x Sour Diesel

It doesn't have anything at all to do with OG or Bubba or "kush" as being discussed in this thread. "Kush" in this sense has nothing to do with the eastern world - it has to do with Florida.

Not sure what's so confusing about the whole thing. SFV. Fire. All those - are just bag seed from sacks of OG.

Bubba, the plant that got pollinated by OG Kush, is thought to be an NL#5 cutting, is my best understanding. However, Phylos shows a common link between OG and Bubba being a "Ghani" held by R.C. Clarke - so make of it what you will.

Otherwise, even if the clones are "just" - as you say - they are still elite selections from those gene pools that have without question stood the test of time.



dank.Frank

Looking at the off spring (Bubba Kush) it's more likely she was an NL#1.

 

[englishrick]

You saying bubba is a possible ortega?

By looks alone,, pre 98 bubba looked like a homozygous ghani,, Afghanistan / kush province shit,, old old old shit,, inxrossed like deep chunk,,

Purple kush I believe its the garbaville cut was virtually identical but with loads of red soapy flavour,, pk I think beats bubba,, it's almost identical but the pk taste is more red but the pk has less power in the high

 

[herbgreen]

From they guy who made bubba kush

The NL5 was named 'bubba'

And OG kush reversed onto the NL5 ... the bubbaKush was birthed

He called into the Adam Dunn Show interview w/katsu bluebird

That's how he told the story.....

 

[Tynehead Tom]

I don't buy the idea that Bubba kush is a direct NL hybrid and I would put it on the table that whatever the original "bubba" cut was , we should be looking at the Ghani lines used by Tom hill in his work creating Deep Chunk.
I've been pulling strong bubba kush-like phenos from F2's of NL5(dr atomic) x Deep Chunk(tom hill). Essence of mocha and coffee and that side of the "bubba" spectrum. The plants grow and exhibit similar if not identical leaf, stem and branching traits. What they are missing that makes them NL5x Deep chunk and not a resemblance of Bubba Kush is that "kush" fuel and nose, but everything else about the plants is on point.

So I'd venture that the Bubba side of Bubba Kush was not a straight up NL5. I cash cropped NL5 for most of the 90's so have a good idea what she is and how she outcrossed.
Deep chunk may play a role here.

 

[RoyalFlush]

From they guy who made bubba kush

The NL5 was named 'bubba'

And OG kush reversed onto the NL5 ... the bubbaKush was birthed

He called into the Adam Dunn Show interview w/katsu bluebird

That's how he told the story.....

Funny how he used to just say it was an unknown Northern lights from emerald, but now it's NL#5.

Regardless NL#5 doesn't grow like BK nor Bubba (as described) but NL#1 does.

 

[herbgreen]

I think that was the first time katsu and bubba even met if i remember right

You would have to listen to the show... does say an NL5 if you listen close

 

[RoyalFlush]

Damn these loose genetic background strains

 

[herbgreen]

That might be the case and back then an NL5 could very well be a NL5 X 2 also or who knows

I found the post with the link in question to bubba and katsu's conversation

Bubba was on the Adam Dunn show and explained the lineage how it happened

starts w/ bubba @ about 56:00 minutes in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYaA0LLcwa8

from the Youtube comments.....

katsu bluebird quotes from the youtube comments...

"It's a NL5 x OG"

katsu bluebird

"accidental herm of the OG. Another legendary accident "

 

[englishrick]

It's funny you mentioned tomhill,,, i always thought his deep chunk looked loads like bubba pre 98

 

[RoyalFlush]

That might be the case and back then an NL5 could very well be a NL5 X 2 also or who knows

I found the post with the link in question to bubba and katsu's conversation

Bubba was on the Adam Dunn show and explained the lineage how it happened

starts w/ bubba @ about 56:00 minutes in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYaA0LLcwa8

from the Youtube comments.....

katsu bluebird quotes from the youtube comments...

"It's a NL5 x OG"

katsu bluebird

"accidental herm of the OG. Another legendary accident "

NL#5 and 5x2 would have given bubba kush more yield and open node structure on top of that a more fruity smell.

I know you're going off by what bubba and katsu say, which Im sure they themselves can't 100% confirm it NL#5 but just some NL.

Now tell me if this doesn't sound similar to bubba or BK:

NL #1 is a true-breeding Afghani, with extreme Indica characteristics. These are short, stocky plants, with leathery, dark green, extremely broad leaves. The stems ere very strong, and it is easy to clone. As the seedlings generally tend to grow to one main stem, this is an excellent choice for the "Sea of Green" or "Small Plant" method. Resinous, potent, and sweet, not nasty and acrid like some Afghanis. Very vigorous end cold resistant, works well outdoors with a long season.

 

[Tynehead Tom]

I don't think it was the NL#1 either , the sweet in the NL1 is not similar to the "sweet" in bubba kush. I think folks are on the right track with NL5 being in the mix as those flavor nuances make sense but I still think the "NL" used for bubba was an NL5 hybrid , possibly with a different afghan ….. possibly with something along the same parental lines as what was used for deep chunk. I'm trying to sort thru a bunch of pics I have to show the similarities I see but perhaps it may be more suited to a different thread so to not take away from this OG Kush thread.... which I am very much enjoying by the way
was deep chunk ever entered into that phylos gimmick ?

 

[Cannavore]

looks like the kind of plant that would pop out of bubba's gene pool to me

 

[3rd-3yed]

We already discussed this topic in Katsu's thread some time ago and I also naturally came to the conclusion Bubba was from NL#1 and not NL#5. First these two NL lines doesn't exactly have the same structure nor behaviour while growing.



I actually saw a few years ago a vintage NL#1 clone wich was really similar in structure to the Steve Murphy's Afghani pictured, like Cannavore also noticed. NL#1, Bubba and Sour Bubble have all inherited of this particular stout BLD Afghani shape. NL5, NL5x1 and NL5x2 seems to stretch a bit more and are less squat/dense than pure NL1, also sometimes displaying more leaflets (9 to 11) due to the Thai genes in those other NL lines.



I've only grow and tried the Katsu bubba clone but it have a really sweet and spicy kush note fitting well Nevil's original NL#1 description. I don't think the Pre-98 Bubba retained that sweetness tho as it's said to be more on the coffee/chocolate/earthy side wich is more common in many Affies (Deep Chunk for exemple). To me Katsu cut being an S1 of Pre-98, the genes recombination showing recessive traits again could provide this particular cut the sweet side while the Pre-98 clone was more like a raw classic Afghani.


NL#1 to my knowledge is an IBL of two afghani lines:


Steve Murphy's Afghani (probably from Kandahar) x Mel Frank's Afghani#1 (Kabul).



So 100% Afghani, wich could also fit well with Phylo displaying RC Clarke's mysterious "Ghani" as a direct parental stock of OG and Bubba...



The Kandahari could provide the sweetness while the Kabul side probably have a more classic coffee/earthy smells.


BTW I hope Steve Murphy is not the same caracter as the famous DEA agent who arrested Escobar back then, wouldn't it be such a weird coincidence?





Rambling off...

 

[englishrick]

What a fantastic post 3rd eye,, nice work

 

[TychoMonolyth]

I have NL that has mutated so far from any NL, I had to rename it. Heavily thai in appearance and height, but bushy as hell. Get a lot of thumbs up on it.

Do any of the NL phenos lean towards Thai Sativas?

 

[CannaRed]

I have NL that has mutated so far from any NL, I had to rename it. Heavily thai in appearance and height, but bushy as hell. Get a lot of thumbs up on it.

Do any of the NL phenos lean towards Thai Sativas?

Hey Tycho! Hope all is well.

What exactly do you mean it has mutated?

The same clone has changed since you first grew it? How long did this take? Did environment change over time?

Or do you mean over the generations of seed, it has changed?