The best part about organics is all the waste, the virtue signaling, the techno babble and the ripoff artists. AKA I read da labels pt 6

[MROrganicGreenz]

No farming is sustainable, so it's a little mute. Organic is just more resource intensive, generally for less output. It's not really debatable. I'm not sure why anybody would try.

I know it was in a video. I think a compilation, with Shane. The one where Bruce looks a bit beat, after some work on his skin. I don't think I have watched any others lately, but they do kinda blend into one. I don't remember documentaries. They just alter my way of thinking, if I learn something new. I just don't try to remember my source, as that's not useful

Maybe, maybe not. People love to ignore the externalised costs from conventional farming. Saying organic if more resource intensive is just plain wrong, when you look at the whole picture. Its just pretty abstract and complex to calculate and monetize the impact on nature, especially biodiverity, soil life and climate. I could go into detail, but for what its worth, its hard to discuss when huge parts of society still deny climate change and biodiversity issues. So I will just say: The World is complex, agri systems especially. Dont look for easy answers on complex problems

 

[Ca++]

Organic farming isn't all that complicated. JADAM and KNF can be very productive and inexpensive. Neither is bad for the environment. Bruce Bugbee is a smart guy but he's not right about everything. But I think he's referring to organic fertilizers that need to be mined like rock phosphate and other minerals.

I fed an outdoor crop a few years back with nothing but JLF made from cannabis trimmings. How is that bad for the environment.

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I remember years ago when I bought into the fancy fertilizer nonsense. That lasted for maybe 2 grows and then I went to a cheap inexpensive fertilizer and started growing better plants.

You didn't use just cannabis (from where) though. You were in the ground.
Not that long ago (or forever, if you only have a short history) we drained huge areas to gain good land. Many feet of soil, from years of sediment. It's now inches. Years of production exhaust the land. If all your land is farmed, then where does fresh material come from. Some fields near me finished their rotation with roses about 30 years ago. Now it's acres of afforestation, as plants grow and die for decades, slowly building the soil until it's useful again.
All we do these days, is exhaust the land, and amend, until it's all gone. Farmland in the states shrinks every year to, and it's only been there a little while. There is no rest and rebuild. It's not sustainable.

Trying to answer this with farming ideas is futile. Last I saw, the US is using up everything, 4.5x faster than it can be replenished (on average). If there was only one town, then they would have the farmland to take some out of rotation, and have some growing silage, some fiber, some grazed. It's not like that though. Everything is being worked to death, and maximised.

 

[Hiddenjems]

You didn't use just cannabis (from where) though. You were in the ground.
Not that long ago (or forever, if you only have a short history) we drained huge areas to gain good land. Many feet of soil, from years of sediment. It's now inches. Years of production exhaust the land. If all your land is farmed, then where does fresh material come from. Some fields near me finished their rotation with roses about 30 years ago. Now it's acres of afforestation, as plants grow and die for decades, slowly building the soil until it's useful again.
All we do these days, is exhaust the land, and amend, until it's all gone. Farmland in the states shrinks every year to, and it's only been there a little while. There is no rest and rebuild. It's not sustainable.

Trying to answer this with farming ideas is futile. Last I saw, the US is using up everything, 4.5x faster than it can be replenished (on average). If there was only one town, then they would have the farmland to take some out of rotation, and have some growing silage, some fiber, some grazed. It's not like that though. Everything is being worked to death, and maximised.

The places that produce the best often have shit soil. What they do have is abundant sunshine and a year round growing season.

Most produce grown in California and Arizona is grown in rocky dirt that can only produce when treated as an almost soilless medium.

Agriculture | Arizona | Fertizona

Fertizona and Compton Ag Services are two family-owned and operated businesses. Established in 1980, we sell fertilizers, seed, pesticides and other Ag products

www.fertizona.com

 

[Hiddenjems]

You didn't use just cannabis (from where) though. You were in the ground.
Not that long ago (or forever, if you only have a short history) we drained huge areas to gain good land. Many feet of soil, from years of sediment. It's now inches. Years of production exhaust the land. If all your land is farmed, then where does fresh material come from. Some fields near me finished their rotation with roses about 30 years ago. Now it's acres of afforestation, as plants grow and die for decades, slowly building the soil until it's useful again.
All we do these days, is exhaust the land, and amend, until it's all gone. Farmland in the states shrinks every year to, and it's only been there a little while. There is no rest and rebuild. It's not sustainable.

Trying to answer this with farming ideas is futile. Last I saw, the US is using up everything, 4.5x faster than it can be replenished (on average). If there was only one town, then they would have the farmland to take some out of rotation, and have some growing silage, some fiber, some grazed. It's not like that though. Everything is being worked to death, and maximised.

The places that produce the best often have shit soil. What they do have is abundant sunshine and a year round growing season.

Most produce grown in California and Arizona is grown in rocky dirt that can only produce when treated as an almost soilless medium.

Agriculture | Arizona | Fertizona

Fertizona and Compton Ag Services are two family-owned and operated businesses. Established in 1980, we sell fertilizers, seed, pesticides and other Ag products

www.fertizona.com

 

[Ca++]

Thats incorrect. Have a look at wide parts of india and africa. Gmos are not helping at all and people are going back to normal genetic material. Don't suck everything up big corp is feeding you. Gmo mostly helps big corp selling you "the whole package". Fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, all from one corp to get their weak and cranky plants to stay alive. People found out the hard way and are switching back. Only gmos that have a wide spread are corn for ethanol, cotton, canola and soy. All that is useless for feeding the World

But anyways, people fighting for gmo are often kinda religiously repeating what big corp tells them

Name a GM crop that India has reduced it's use of. Ever.

 

[Ca++]

The places that produce the best often have shit soil. What they do have is abundant sunshine and a year round growing season.

Most produce grown in California and Arizona is grown in rocky dirt that can only produce when treated as an almost soilless medium.

Agriculture | Arizona | Fertizona

Fertizona and Compton Ag Services are two family-owned and operated businesses. Established in 1980, we sell fertilizers, seed, pesticides and other Ag products

www.fertizona.com

I hear people live where they couldn't without aircon to. And though banned, things like malathion are sprayed over town, as it's the lesser of two evils.
It's serious over-population, when people are living that way

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

Name a GM crop that India has reduced it's use of. Ever.

The Failure of GMO Cotton In India

Bt cotton shows that much of biotechnology in agriculture is an exercise in linear thinking, of reductionism, and of unexpected consequences.

www.resilience.org

 

[Hiddenjems]

I hear people live where they couldn't without aircon to. And though banned, things like malathion are sprayed over town, as it's the lesser of two evils.
It's serious over-population, when people are living that way

It’s not overpopulation. It’s people concentrating in places that are bad for large groups of people. It’s either a bad environment, or a place that regularly sees natural disasters that seem to load up with people.

 

[Hiddenjems]

I hear people live where they couldn't without aircon to. And though banned, things like malathion are sprayed over town, as it's the lesser of two evils.
It's serious over-population, when people are living that way

Banned?

 

[hillbil]

Most of the time bigger vegetables contain less nutrients. Significantly less.
I do agree that synthetic nutes have a big role in feeding people that otherwise would be hungry.

 

[xtsho]

You didn't use just cannabis (from where) though. You were in the ground.
Not that long ago (or forever, if you only have a short history) we drained huge areas to gain good land. Many feet of soil, from years of sediment. It's now inches. Years of production exhaust the land. If all your land is farmed, then where does fresh material come from. Some fields near me finished their rotation with roses about 30 years ago. Now it's acres of afforestation, as plants grow and die for decades, slowly building the soil until it's useful again.
All we do these days, is exhaust the land, and amend, until it's all gone. Farmland in the states shrinks every year to, and it's only been there a little while. There is no rest and rebuild. It's not sustainable.

Trying to answer this with farming ideas is futile. Last I saw, the US is using up everything, 4.5x faster than it can be replenished (on average). If there was only one town, then they would have the farmland to take some out of rotation, and have some growing silage, some fiber, some grazed. It's not like that though. Everything is being worked to death, and maximised.

I used cannabis trim from the year before that sat over the winter in a bucket with a lid. I didn't know this thread was just about farmland. I thought it was about organic fertilizers which is why I replied regarding the basically free organic fertilizer that anyone can make. At one time I had about six buckets of different JLF I was using in the garden. The vegetables grew great.

I also supplemented with JMS "Jadam Microbial Solution" which is just leaf mold, water, sea salt, and a couple potatoes to feed the microbes. That takes a couple days to make and then is watered into the soil. It's provides the same or better benefits as any of those fancy commercial microbe products people buy.

You can grow organic without paying a bunch of money. In fact you can grow organic for next to nothing and get great results.

JADAM and KLF are sustainable farming practices that are being used around the world that enhance the soil rather than depleting it.

How To Make JADAM Liquid Fertilizers (Quick And Easy) | Micro Farm Guide

Are you looking for a simple way to make JADAM Liquid Fertilizers, at home, in as little as ten days? Then this guide is for you.

www.microfarmguide.com

 

[Ca++]

The Failure of GMO Cotton In India

Bt cotton shows that much of biotechnology in agriculture is an exercise in linear thinking, of reductionism, and of unexpected consequences.

www.resilience.org

You see, there is no GM crop they have reduced the use of, or turned away from to back old methods. There are just confused people, that don't want to hear the truth.
India are so happy with the GM they have, that they are trialing others. They already produce 7% of the worlds GM crops, and want to go further.

You have posted some flat earth stuff, that says India thinks this, so they must be measuring it wrong. India's bug eco system has changed since the apex bug was sent packing. Now the different bug problem needs a different resilience. So that must mean they are dogs chasing their tails. Here are some graphs to show how people kill themselves more often, when yields are lower. And another, to show how this also applies to how much money they earn. A near identical graph of course. Neither offering any relevancy to the subject at hand. They then close with the fact they read another flat earth story, that normal is 3x better than GM, so why isn't it being used.

Here's a shocker. Because it's bollox.


I really don't feel that facts are getting through to people who are more interested in their own agenda. I think any judge would agree I have earned my divorce at this point. Nothing more I can do.

 

[Ca++]

Banned?
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Seems it never became law, though it's use was halted for a while by california, during which time it was sprayed over everyone anyway. There were eco activists breeding insects to overwhelm the spraying efforts, to stop them even trying. So lots of disinformation around at that time. Some seems to of stuck with me

 

[Stuntzii]

There were eco activists breeding insects to overwhelm the spraying efforts, to stop them even trying.

Any credible evidence for this?

Reminds me of how they were blaming climate change activists for starting the forest fires up here, when in reality it was usually some dumbass who ignored the fire ban.

 

[Hiddenjems]

Any credible evidence for this?

Reminds me of how they were blaming climate change activists for starting the forest fires up here, when in reality it was usually some dumbass who ignored the fire ban.

You can light all the fires you want in an area with active forestry maintaining the forest. Building in a fire zone is about as smart as building on a flood plane too.

Where I live the river floods every 20 years or so. No building is allowed there anymore, and anyone that stayed can’t get insurance. Rebuilding homes in the same place they were destroyed by a recurring natural disaster is idiotic.

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

You see, there is no GM crop they have reduced the use of, or turned away from to back old methods. There are just confused people, that don't want to hear the truth.
India are so happy with the GM they have, that they are trialing others. They already produce 7% of the worlds GM crops, and want to go further.

You have posted some flat earth stuff, that says India thinks this, so they must be measuring it wrong. India's bug eco system has changed since the apex bug was sent packing. Now the different bug problem needs a different resilience. So that must mean they are dogs chasing their tails. Here are some graphs to show how people kill themselves more often, when yields are lower. And another, to show how this also applies to how much money they earn. A near identical graph of course. Neither offering any relevancy to the subject at hand. They then close with the fact they read another flat earth story, that normal is 3x better than GM, so why isn't it being used.

Here's a shocker. Because it's bollox.


I really don't feel that facts are getting through to people who are more interested in their own agenda. I think any judge would agree I have earned my divorce at this point. Nothing more I can do.

lulz

As big of a fan I am on "discussing" with people who have a strong believe system on matter they can't really grasp, I got way too little time. Maybe in a week or two, when I can make some time, but actually, I am sceptic, that you are willing and open for data and arguments. Above leads me to the impression you are not. Its sad how people are willing to take easy explanations for complex problems, but thats the way today. Have a good one, I am to old for this sh*t ^^

 

[PadawanWarrior]

I used cannabis trim from the year before that sat over the winter in a bucket with a lid. I didn't know this thread was just about farmland. I thought it was about organic fertilizers which is why I replied regarding the basically free organic fertilizer that anyone can make. At one time I had about six buckets of different JLF I was using in the garden. The vegetables grew great.

I also supplemented with JMS "Jadam Microbial Solution" which is just leaf mold, water, sea salt, and a couple potatoes to feed the microbes. That takes a couple days to make and then is watered into the soil. It's provides the same or better benefits as any of those fancy commercial microbe products people buy.

You can grow organic without paying a bunch of money. In fact you can grow organic for next to nothing and get great results.

JADAM and KLF are sustainable farming practices that are being used around the world that enhance the soil rather than depleting it.

How To Make JADAM Liquid Fertilizers (Quick And Easy) | Micro Farm Guide

Are you looking for a simple way to make JADAM Liquid Fertilizers, at home, in as little as ten days? Then this guide is for you.

www.microfarmguide.com

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Those methods are great, but I would be hesitant bringing in stuff from the outside for an indoor garden. I think you're asking for trouble. I use some of my trimmings for mulch but only from my indoor plants.

And the best part about organics is the simplicity for us lazy ones.

 

[xtsho]

Those methods are great, but I would be hesitant bringing in stuff from the outside for an indoor garden. I think you're asking for trouble. I use some of my trimmings for mulch but only from my indoor plants.

And the best part about organics is the simplicity for us lazy ones.

There are some aspects of JADAM and KNF that probably shouldn't be used indoors but there are also others that should pose no problem. Like making LAB, IMO, or JLF. JADAM sulfur can be used indoors for PM. Water soluble calcium made from eggshells, etc... Lot's of other stuff as well. You just need to be reasonable with what you do.

There is some overlap with indoors and outdoor growing where there isn't any concern of introducing any unwanted pests to the indoor garden.