The 2020 Presidential Election

[h.h.]

The subject is Trump and his bid for the 2020 election - his battle-cry 'Draining the Swamp' is not a new term - at all - and was used by many before -

Many words were used before he came along. And?

 

[h.h.]

$588,000 for fucking golf carts.
Paying his own way of course.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

He plagiarized Reagan's campaign slogan word for word.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Yet you faithfully repeat trumps words.
Whatever.

I ignore Trump. People who don't get the Trump syndrome. Their mental health is affected. They wake up angry, stay angry all day, then go to bed angry. Its not a good way to live. I remember some people were affected when Obama was in office, but nothing like now

 

[mean mr.mustard]

That's because Obama wasn't completely inept.

 

[Zeez]

I ignore Trump. People who don't get the Trump syndrome. Their mental health is affected. They wake up angry, stay angry all day, then go to bed angry. Its not a good way to live. I remember some people were affected when Obama was in office, but nothing like now

Centrist? These are echoes of trumpers heard many times here. If you claim the centrist high ground and speak trumpage that means you've slipped down the hill and into the swamp.

 

[h.h.]

I ignore Trump. People who don't get the Trump syndrome. Their mental health is affected. They wake up angry, stay angry all day, then go to bed angry. Its not a good way to live. I remember some people were affected when Obama was in office, but nothing like now

That’s why you’re on a “presidential election” thread talking about “the swamp”. Because you’re above it all. Whatever.

 

[h.h.]

Centrist? These are echoes of trumpers heard many times here. If you claim the centrist high ground and speak trumpage that means you've slipped down the hill and into the swamp.

Centrist: somewhere in between Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell.

 

[h.h.]

'Draining the Swamp' - as a term goes way back before Trump was involved with the Presidency -

Drain the swamp is a phrase which since the 1980s has frequently been used by American politicians. The phrase alludes to the physical draining of swamps to keep mosquito populations low to combat malaria, and Washington D.C. being founded on a supposed swampy ground. It has been used as a metaphor by:

Helen Hunt Jackson (1830–1885) who wrote that to "clear the swamp" (the first obvious step to reclaiming "poisonous and swampy wilderness") was an apt metaphor for how to start addressing "the disgrace to us of the present condition of our Indians."

Winfield R. Gaylord (1870–1943) to describe the socialist desire to "drain" the "capitalist swamp".

Victor L. Berger (1860–1929), who in his book Broadsides referred to changing the capitalist system as "drain[ing] the swamp".

A. Philip Randolph (1889–1979) and Bayard Rustin (1912-1987) in A Freedom Budget for All Americans (1966), argued that "The breeding grounds of crime and discontent will be diminished in the same way that draining a swamp cuts down the breeding of mosquitoes, and the causes of discrimination will be considerably reduced."

Ronald Reagan, who called to "drain the swamp" of bureaucracy in the federal government in 1983 when commissioning The Grace Commission.

Jessica Stern in "Preparing for a War on Terrorism", where she calls on the U.S. to see failing and failed states as sources and sanctuaries for terrorists and terrorism (the swamp) and to use foreign aid and soft power to combat them (the draining).

Pat Buchanan during his 2000 presidential campaign, when he invoked the saying in opposition to the dominant political parties: "Neither Beltway party is going to drain this swamp: it's a protected wetland; they breed in it, they spawn in it".

Nancy Pelosi in 2006 while announcing her 100-Hour Plan in response to more than a decade of Republican rule.

Donald Trump to describe his plan to fix problems in the federal government. Subsequent protests against the role of Goldman Sachs alumni in his administration also used the metaphor.

Traditional Unionist Voice on the front cover of their manifesto for the 2017 Northern Ireland Assembly election

Henry Bolton, the leader of UKIP when referring to its National Executive Committee (NEC) on 22 January 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drain_the_swamp

The swastika is a symbol with many styles and meanings and can be found in many cultures.

The adoption of the swastika by the Nazis and neo-Nazis is the most recognizable modern use of the symbol in the west.
The swastika or sauwastika (as a character, 卐 or 卍, respectively) is a geometrical figure and an ancient religious icon in the cultures of Eurasia. It is used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions, especially Hinduism.[1][2][3] In the Western world, it was a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck until the 1930s when it became a feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of the so-called Aryan race. As a result of World War II and the Holocaust, most people in Europe and the Americas associate it with Nazism and antisemitism.[4][5]

The word swastika comes from Sanskrit (Devanagari: स्वस्तिक) meaning 'conducive to well being' or 'auspicious'.[6][7] In Hinduism, the symbol with arms pointing clockwise (卐) is called swa

Today if you see a swastika, what does it symbolize? The rising sun?

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Well you stated that 'Draining the Swamp' were 'Trumps words' - and I was merely pointing out that the term 'Draining the Swamp' could be more attributed to say Ronald Reagan than Trump - since he was using it before Trump -

You were doing this to infer that a member who says he's a 'centrist' - is supposedly Trump leaning - and I see this all the time - particularly from the more hardline leftists or righty's - its as if to say that 'If you are not with us - then you are against us' -

Even though someone might think of Trump in a negative light - you will still try and infer that they support him somehow - tsk

Many words were used before he came along. And?

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Centrist? These are echoes of trumpers heard many times here. If you claim the centrist high ground and speak trumpage that means you've slipped down the hill and into the swamp.

I do not buy the centrist thing. Most of what makes shithead a scumbag are things any good person has known are bad all along. It is being non confrontational about subjects that require confrontation and education to repair. What is the cost? Personal freedoms, care for the needy, our environment, our integrity and so on. Being a respectable human is not centering yourself between those who care and those who only want money and power.

 

[h.h.]

Well you stated that 'Draining the Swamp' were 'Trumps words' - and I was merely pointing out that the term 'Draining the Swamp' could be more attributed to say Ronald Reagan than Trump - since he was using it before Trump -

You were doing this to infer that a member who says he's a 'centrist' - is supposedly Trump leaning - and I see this all the time - particularly from the more hardline leftists or righty's - its as if to say that 'If you are not with us - then you are against us' -

Even though someone might think of Trump in a negative light - you will still try and infer that they support him somehow - tsk

In our current day, they are trumps words. Twist it all you want.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

So there can be no-one on the fringe - on the edge - sitting on the fence - who see's no real good on either side - so is apprehensive to give their support to either side of the great divide?

- That's an 'Us or Them' mentality - if ever I've seen one -

I do not buy the centrist thing. Most of what makes shithead a scumbag are things any good person has known are bad all along. It is being non confrontational about subjects that require confrontation and education to repair. What is the cost? Personal freedoms, care for the needy, our environment, our integrity and so on. Being a respectable human is not centering yourself between those who care and those who only want money and power.

 

[Zeez]

Centrist: somewhere in between Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell.

Great line! I got a good laugh outa that one.

 

[Zeez]

So there can be no-one on the fringe - on the edge - sitting on the fence - who see's no real good on either side - so is apprehensive to give their support to either side of the great divide?

- That's an 'Us or Them' mentality - if ever I've seen one -

The tipping point for most is the denial of facts and dipping your straw into the propaganda koolaid.

You either do or you don't.

 

[beta]

So there can be no-one on the fringe - on the edge - sitting on the fence - who see's no real good on either side - so is apprehensive to give their support to either side of the great divide?

- That's an 'Us or Them' mentality - if ever I've seen one -

If you look at both sides and say "you both suck", aren't you effectively saying it's 'us' (centrists) vs 'them' (partisans)?

Calling yourself a 'centrist' is effectively telling other people you think you're the reasonable one. Guess what? EVERYONE thinks they're reasonable and it's everyone else that's the radical.

Saying you think you're a centrist is really telling on yourself. It's literally saying "unlike you crazy people who care a lot about something, I prefer not to take a stance on anything and that makes me a perfectly rational genius".

Another problem with centrism: it's defining yourself by other people's beliefs. The left and right are always moving which means the center is always moving. If you stay in the center no matter where the left and the right are, do you really believe anything other than "the halfway point is the best place to be"?

 

[bigtacofarmer]

So there can be no-one on the fringe - on the edge - sitting on the fence - who see's no real good on either side - so is apprehensive to give their support to either side of the great divide?

- That's an 'Us or Them' mentality - if ever I've seen one -

I understand being in the center on several issues. But most of those are not the problems we are discussing here.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Yes - that pretty much breaks it down well I suppose - where exactly is the center? - and the center of what exactly?

Hyperthetically speaking - if one side was Marxist/Communist - and the other side was National Socialism (Nazi Party) - where exactly is the middle ground?

If you look at both sides and say "you both suck", aren't you effectively saying it's 'us' (centrists) vs 'them' (partisans)?

Calling yourself a 'centrist' is effectively telling other people you think you're the reasonable one. Guess what? EVERYONE thinks they're reasonable and it's everyone else that's the radical.

Saying you think you're a centrist is really telling on yourself. It's literally saying "unlike you crazy people who care a lot about something, I prefer not to take a stance on anything and that makes me a perfectly rational genius".

Another problem with centrism: it's defining yourself by other people's beliefs. The left and right are always moving which means the center is always moving. If you stay in the center no matter where the left and the right are, do you really believe anything other than "the halfway point is the best place to be"?

 

[h.h.]

There is no center. Only compromise. A center requires two or more distinct ends.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

So a 'Centrist' - is someone who beleives in compromise?

There is no center. Only compromise. A center requires two or more distinct ends.

Lets have a look at what wiki says about it -

In politics, centrism—the centre (British/Canadian/New Zealand/Australian English) or the center (American English)—is a political outlook or specific position that involves acceptance or support of a balance of a degree of social equality and a degree of social hierarchy, while opposing political changes which would result in a significant shift of society strongly to either the left or the right.

Both centre-left and centre-right politics involve a general association with centrism that is combined with leaning somewhat to their respective sides of the spectrum. Various political ideologies such as Christian democracy can be classified as centrist.