The 2020 Presidential Election

[Gypsy Nirvana]

What do you guys think will come of this current Iran v USA threat?

Will Tehran be turned to glass - bombed back to the stone age etc?

Looks to me like this was a long time coming as Iran became more nuclear proficient - and Israel particularly wasn't going to allow an Islamic state so close to its borders to have nuclear weapons - how many Islamic suicide bombers have we seen already with conventional explosives? - how long before we see them doing the same with nuclear weapons? - Feels like it won't be so long now before we see the first nuclear suicide bomber - and if its the head Mullah of an Islamic nation in control of the red button - then we may well see a whole nation commit suicide - just to damn the USA and other western powers - a VERY sobering thought -

 

[slapmehard]

guy don't let unfounded fears keep you up at night
the other guys down the chain cant tie their own shoes so to speak


salami(sic)made ALL the calls for decades
remember its 2020 we fight wars from rooms and having "gamer"type guys do the dirty work

 

[Capra ibex]

What do you guys think will come of this current Iran v USA threat?

Will Tehran be turned to glass - bombed back to the stone age etc?

Looks to me like this was a long time coming as Iran became more nuclear proficient - and Israel particularly wasn't going to allow an Islamic state so close to its borders to have nuclear weapons - how many Islamic suicide bombers have we seen already with conventional explosives? - how long before we see them doing the same with nuclear weapons? - Feels like it won't be so long now before we see the first nuclear suicide bomber - and if its the head Mullah of an Islamic nation in control of the red button - then we may well see a whole nation commit suicide - just to damn the USA and other western powers - a VERY sobering thought -

Why do you believe that they weren't going along with the deal that seemed like they had adhered to before Trump just decided to end it?

I don't know the details exactly but it did seem that all parties were reasonably accepting of the conditions.

Who knows what's going to happen, but the world needs more diplomats and less 'heroes'.

 

[Cannavore]

Solemani was such a terrorist that he was on a peace mission when Trump illegally assassinated him lmfao.

The Orwellian mental gymnastics being pulled over this one is quite ridiculous.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Honestly - I very much doubt that Iran was keeping to the conditions of the treaty exactly - from their point of view they are about to be invaded/vaporized - and have been under that threat for years - so anything they can put up in retaliation they will try their hardest to do so - and any time they get to do it is precious - even if it means playing for time by signing meaningless treaties -

- and I agree - what we need here is a miracle of diplomacy - or this tinder-box will light the powder-keg - and BOOM!

Why do you believe that they weren't going along with the deal that seemed like they had adhered to before Trump just decided to end it?

I don't know the details exactly but it did seem that all parties were reasonably accepting of the conditions.

Who knows what's going to happen, but the world needs more diplomats and less 'heroes'.

 

[h.h.]

What do you guys think will come of this current Iran v USA threat?

Will Tehran be turned to glass - bombed back to the stone age etc?

Looks to me like this was a long time coming as Iran became more nuclear proficient - and Israel particularly wasn't going to allow an Islamic state so close to its borders to have nuclear weapons - how many Islamic suicide bombers have we seen already with conventional explosives? - how long before we see them doing the same with nuclear weapons? - Feels like it won't be so long now before we see the first nuclear suicide bomber - and if its the head Mullah of an Islamic nation in control of the red button - then we may well see a whole nation commit suicide - just to damn the USA and other western powers - a VERY sobering thought -

Not sober at all. Just fear of Islam. The same fear that started it all.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

OK - so do you believe that the west should have no fear of the Islamic world at all - and there is nothing there to ever worry about or even be aware of?

Should we welcome Islam with open arms and embrace it? - is that the solution to all these problems - to become Islamic ourselves -

Not sober at all. Just fear of Islam. The same fear that started it all.

 

[h.h.]

If you want. I’m not.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

OK - so do you believe that the west should have no fear of the Islamic world at all - and there is nothing there to ever worry about or even be aware of?

Is this really about the modern western ideology of universal emancipation and equality/human rights clashing with a medieval patriarchal, misogynistic, sexist, homophobic totalitarian eastern religious ideology? - or is it just about oil/land and political posturing, machismo etc?

Not sober at all. Just fear of Islam. The same fear that started it all.

 

[Capra ibex]

I saw a video, i can't remember where, one of the Iranian leader said that his problem isn't with the American people, that any Americans over there working etc. will be fine, they don't have a problem, but that the problem is the Trump administration.

Being nice to each other is just a HUGE thing.... not trying to push one way of life onto the other.... both sides are TERRIBLY flawed and if they can both admit that then it will go a long way to building bridges.

Trump is so reactive and just basically (sorry) F*CKED in the head, he can't help but make things worse.
You CAN'T push your way of living onto other people- neither side.
And i do BELIEVE that there are cooler heads on both sides, SOMEWHERE, that can ease tensions.
Amazing things can happen, BAD and GOOD.

Sometimes i feel sorry for Trump, because he obviously has psychological issues, but it's mixed with intolerable sociopathy and grandeur, he just needs to go and play golf until he dies or goes to jail or whatever....

It's a maddening situation.

And meanwhile, in Australia with some of our most apocalyptic bushfires ever, close to the size of England is burnt and our butthead PM thinks it's not time to be talking about climate change

WTF??

 

[h.h.]

OK - so do you believe that the west should have no fear of the Islamic world at all - and there is nothing there to ever worry about or even be aware of?

Is this really about the modern western ideology of universal emancipation and equality/human rights clashing with a medieval patriarchal, misogynistic, sexist, homophobic totalitarian eastern religious ideology? - or is it just about oil/land and political posturing, machismo etc?

Fuel Oil. WWI.
Folks who live their lives in fear.
If you want to live scared, I guess that’s your choice. Don’t expect me to just to appease your prejudices.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Well - If I were to be living my life in fear - then I wouldn't be typing here - thats for sure - I'd be hiding in a bunker somewhere - under the current international 'situation' -

- and if being aware of something is determined as being a predudice or a fear - then I would say that you were way off the mark -

Fuel Oil. WWI.
Folks who live their lives in fear.
If you want to live scared, I guess that’s your choice. Don’t expect me to just to appease your prejudices.

 

[h.h.]

You sound scared. Or is it just hate?

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Hmmm - interesting retort -

Scared of what exactly? - and hateful of what?

Hate is a very negative emotion to harbour and can corrupt and corrode reasonable thought - so if you ever encounter it - I would recommend removing it from your psyche immediately - since it is known to fester and create many problems -

You sound scared. Or is it just hate?

 

[h.h.]

You tell me. You’re obsessed. More likely you’ll die of cancer.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

OK - so far you have accused me of being fearful, scared, hateful and obsessed - obsessed by what exactly?

- and now you are saying I will most likely die of cancer -

- so you really are not making much sense to me at all - since you are more concerned with attacking me - than following the narrative and topic of the debate -

You tell me. You’re obsessed. More likely you’ll die of cancer.

 

[h.h.]

Islamophobia. Sorry you don’t understand. You’re obsessed with it.

 

[h.h.]

Islamophobia

 

[med4u]

How's all that hate workin out?
I think Iran will be changing its leadership from within in the not so distant future...madness and hate are not sustainable attributes, it only serves to corrode and confuse the mind of the holder rendering them blind to their perception of reality and gives way to a negative outcome of their intended endeavors ...

Stampede during Soleimani’s funeral procession kills at least 35, state TV reports
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https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-stampede-soleimani-dead-injured-kerman-mourners

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Ahhh - I am aware of it - and after a little research came up with this:

'' About "Islamophobia"
Islamophobe (is-slahm-o-fohb) - A non-Muslim who knows more about Islam than they are supposed to know.

"Islamophobia" is an allegedly irrational fear of losing life or liberty to Islamic rule merely because the laws, sacred texts, and traditional practices of Islam demand the submission of culture, politics, religion and social expression. It tends to afflict those most familiar with the religion while sparing the more gullible.

Unlike Infidelophobia (Quranically-inspired hatred and fear of non-Muslims - see 4:101), "Islamophobia" rarely involves dead bodies.

According to the Quran, fear of Islam is created by Allah, who "throws terror into the hearts of disbelievers" (Quran 8:12). In the real world, it is a product of rational observation. Supremacist ideology is always problematic in free societies where it can be debunked, but particularly so in those that respect universal equality.

To obscure the fact that the same problems and reactions follow Islam into every country, no matter how tolerant, apologists have created a clinical-sounding word to imply that any suspicion that Islam is different from other religions is a mental disorder.

In truth, the skeptics of Islam don't care that it is different: they care about how it is, and what that means for the rest of us. Consider that Hinduism is different in almost every way from every other world religion, but no one is accused of having Hinduphobia.

In fact, Islam is the only religion that requires a pretend word to protect against critical inquiry. The sole purpose of "Islamophobia" is to conflate ideological truth with anti-Muslim bigotry. The irony is that of all religions, the tenets of Islam are the least tolerant and most hostile toward the others.

Unfortunately, when Islam checks in, a lot of folks wind up checking out... permanently. Therefore "Islamophobes" are a pretty broad group.

Islamophobes include:

Hindus, Christians, and Jews who don’t want to be forced into a political system that treats them as third-class citizens. (Islamic teaching)

Atheists who want the freedom to live openly and challenge religious orthodoxy in the public spherre. (Islamic teaching)

Women who don’t want to be draped in black bags. (Islamic teaching)

Heterosexual males who prefer not to see women draped in black bags. (Islamic teaching)

Wives who don't want to be beaten (Islamic teaching)

Drinkers (this one's important). (Islamic teaching)

Artists and art lovers. (Islamic teaching)

Historians who don’t want to see priceless manuscripts and books burned just because they disagree with the Quran.

Homosexuals who don’t want to be beaten to death or thrown from a building. (Islamic teaching)

Anyone else who believes that consenting adults should not be killed or tortured over sexual practices. (Islamic teaching)

Dog lovers. (Islamic teaching)

Animal Rights activists and anyone else who is opposed to the cruel and unethical treatment of animals. (Islamic teaching)

Mothers who don’t want their daughters killed over a man’s “honor.” (Islamic teaching)

Intellectuals who value freedom of conscience and public dissent. (Islamic teaching)

Anyone believing that the value of a person's life is not determined by their religious beliefs. (Islamic teaching)

Feminists who believe that women should not be made subordinate to men by a religion which openly insists that females are the intellectual and legal inferior of males. (Islamic teaching)

Anyone else who objects to a religion in which a woman’s identity is defined by her relationship to a man. (Islamic teaching)

Whoever knows that the clitoris is there for a reason. (Islamic teaching)

Secularists who believe in the separation of government and religion. (Islamic teaching)

The left-handed (Islamic teaching).

Liberals who don’t believe that culture and moral values should be established by a state-sponsored religion. (Get past The Religion Barrier)

Conservatives who believe in preserving the Western heritage responsible for the civil freedom, political liberty and economic success which has attracted the flood of immigrants from Muslim nations, where such values are conspicuously lacking. (Islamic teaching)

Muslims who would like the freedom to leave Islam. (Islamic teaching)

And many more...''



*Is that what you meant when you accused me of Islamophobia -being obsessed - being scared and in fear of it etc?

Islamophobia. Sorry you don’t understand. You’re obsessed with it.

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