The 2020 Presidential Election

[White Beard]

I know. Other people do it for you so that you can spend your time spouting your oblivious hippy nonsense. You should be grateful.

I’m curious why you’re in a cannabis-grower’s board?

‘Cause you sound like a professional criminal, not at all the sort of people *I* know anymore these days. Meth too dangerous, all those zombies to deal with? Cocaine too dangerous, or has the bottom fallen out? Contract killing draws too much attention, I guess, so you go pot-biz and just plow through us damned hippies, right? Then come in threads like this to piss in the fire and laugh?

You’re a swell human being

 

[White Beard]

Deal wit it...this ain't Osama Obama's
Wholesale of a nation no more...
Learn to cope

Thanks so much for making this morning even more incoherent than it already was...that’s what I get for tuning into the noise

 

[White Beard]

Thinking everybody just fell in line for the deep state in 1913 is a pretty stupid belief. But keep speaking. It says more about you than me. Your view of history is very basic. Gypsy couldn't even get everybody on this forum to agree for one day and you think from 1913 till the day Trump was elected people just fell in line all over the world. Come on Hempy. You can't be this naive.

I agree with you. I remember when I started learning about Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, I knew that was big. It took me a long time to appreciate the one prong that is S’n’B in context of the deeper layers and and connections I began to discover.

The Family, The National Prayer Breakfast crew, and the sheer number of shadow entities real wealth employs, for example, to say nothing of more in-your-face stuff like Brett Kavanaugh’s rise from being planted in a judgeship by Shrub for services rendered to being planted in SCOTUS by the very next “Republican” president.

(really, how much more blatant of an agenda-based ‘deep-state’-style end run do we need to see before we - the Fishy Brigade in particular - stand up and say, “okay, now - THAT is some fucken bullshit right there”?)

Clinton

Yes Tudo. Way Smarter,

Yale Law School
Senator
Secretary of State
Attracted more Russian bots than any person in history.

Trump University
Only President in history who needed Russian bots to win.

The cheating stealing tstuff - Nobody will ever come close to trump.

I don’t think trump is stupid, except in the sense that he only seems to care about how to misuse the intelligence he has - because it’s stupid not to make the best use.

He poses better than he peoples. He is the CEO from hell - emptying the till into his own pockets, bullying his underpaid servants, demanding loyalty from those he considers expendable tools, saying whatever he thinks will back people off and shut them up - or rile and enrage them and make his numbers go up.

Thanks.
Good health, good weed and prosperity to all.

What a wonderful invocation! May it be so!

Really glad to hear about your good news - happy new year, indeed!

you are correct, any transaction WITH A LICENSED DEALER is a mandatory background check. meeting a private citizen and conducting a private sale is not. both follow current law. this precludes a private sale being a "loophole". a "loophole" is when a governing body tried to do something but failed in their effort at regulation. there was never (to my knowledge) any real attempt to regulate transactions between private citizens by congress.
if you meet someone at a drugstore that sees your NRA sticker in your car window and strikes up a conversation, is that any different than meeting them at a gun show? do you think there should be limits placed on freedom of association? i understand quite well the dilemma we are placed in by this type of transaction. i would (in the long run) probably be more amenable to requiring universal background checks versus aiming restrictions ONLY at gun shows. their resistance to illogical rules aimed at them alone highlights the specter of attempted govt suppression of a group of citizens with a common interest that happens to largely be enshrined in our constitution. if you think the citizenry will stand for limiting a constitutional right, try it on everyone at once and stop nibbling around the edges...fuck with everyone or no one at all.

Kind of to the side of this, AOH: I had a neighbor one time who claimed to hold an FFL. He operated out of his trunk. His weapons were new, and high-end. He said he always filled out all he forms and everything, so he could swear that he did, but he continued by saying he would never turn over a single one, that he would destroy them first. He said if I didn’t like what I saw, he could get what I *would* like.

I did not do business with him, I had a new baby and a no-longer-working wife, and I was busting my ass double-time...but that skips over the ethical and legal questions. I realize that this guy, and others like him (I probably haven’t been more than a friend-of-a-friend away from a guy like this my whole adult life), will not be affected by gun show loophole legislation; but he represents *exactly* the problem that loophole legislation wants to fix.

So the point isn’t that closing that loophole won’t help, the point is that we keep hearing that ShooterX purchased their weapons legally, and that they shouldn’t have been able to do that because flags A, B, & C. Sounds legit, but we don’t actually know what “legally” means in this case. An FFL isn’t that hard to get, and it lets you do a lot - and the fact that “gypsy” gun dealers can operate as freely as this guy I mention means that all these legal purchases might not be Walmart, or the local outdoor-supply but might be coming from people who do not care if ShooterX is flagged in some database. Such an FFL-holder might have no qualms at all about empowering whoever. Maybe we should do something about rogue gun dealers.

What do you think politics are? They were never about red and blue. They’re about clean air and health. Food.

Winner of the DECADE!!!!

Ok, Only joking, yes, have a happy new year and hopefully we all learn from each other to be better people overall, and see if us humans can manage to learn to take better care of our planet and it's inhabitants- human and other for centuries and millennia to come.

Nations and cultures are great, they bring out human-mediated expression of the regions they encompass. In food, and customs, and stories and world views, art, music, unique approaches in engineering, and coping with basic human needs, we pretty much are improved by being better aware of the the people around us and our interactions with them, and in no way diminished - it’s all the grand pageant of humanity.

People are wiser than nations, wiser than governments, more reliable than economists, more honest than leaders. Sure, #NotAllPeople...not all of anybody. Duh. It seems to me that ultimately we live in such large areas with such density variance that we may be ungovernable as we are now. 10th amendmentists will make happy, but the states have historically done a shit job of acting like one nation of any kind, and even if we exclude the thuggish behavior of the Slaver states, there are long-standing water wars between states and “cross-border” disputes all over.

But the irreducible core is that we are all humans and our needs are the same; therefore to monopolize or “colonize” a resource necessary for life is to extract harm from all for colonizer’s sole benefit, and to induce/encourage the emotions associated with power in the colonizer. Either we’re all in this together, or it’s each for his own. The story of “each for his own” has been writ large over millennia in uncountable dead unbearable records of cruelty, and it’s a history of murder and torment and betrayal unceasing - in pursuit of OWNERSHIP AND POSSESSION above all else, because that has been the rule of the world since long before “Western civilization” spread itself over everything. In that world, ownership and possession are paramount to survival, as our growing armies of homeless and migrants attest.

We are not prepared for this. Nothing about the world we live in is prepared for this.

“Each for his own” is a failure, complete and utter. It is crashing all over the world. If we take nothing else into the 20’s, let’s take the realization that “each for his own” is a game plan for destruction, that “if we’re all in this together,” we might not just get through this, but make the deep changes we need to make if we’re going to rise up and rise above.

I have respected the land since i was able to walk, i used to smile and just grab allthe junk the folks leave at the ANDY A DOG WILLIAMS skatepark because i embrace my ancestors lands and WANT them sustainable for our future generations. The amount of "tourists" who come here, treat the area like a toilet paper and leave is hardly worth the money they bring in the end to me. Id rather see trees planted then buildings get built. I used to harvest timber, now i hug em!

Blessings to you! Thanks to all who hold the earth as worthy

 

[Cannavore]

The Bernie Sanders presidential campaign said Wednesday that it met its fundraising goal of 5 million individual donations, boasting of the number as "more contributions than any campaign has received at this point in a presidential election in the history of our country."

"What we are proving on this campaign is that one does not need to beg the wealthy and the powerful for campaign contributions in order to win elections," Sanders said in an email to supporters announcing the fundraising haul.

"I am proud to say that ours is the only campaign in this Democratic primary with more donations than Donald Trump," wrote Sanders.

"Against Trump, I believe we will have 50 million individual contributions, at least," Sanders wrote. "And at $27 a piece, that would be more than $1 billion. It's absolutely obscene and outrageous that an election would cost that much money, but our campaign has proven we will be able to raise more than enough money to win."

The average donation to the Sanders campaign has been $18 so far. If that average continued into the fourth quarter of 2019, New York Times reporter Shane Goldmacher estimated that the Sanders campaign brought in $28.5 million in the last three months of the year.

Pete Buttigieg, who's also vying for the Democratic presidential nomination, announced Wednesday that his campaign brought in over $24.7 million in the final three months of 2019 and had over two million donations over the course of the year.

The now former mayor of South Bend, Indiana has been hit by Sanders and rival Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) over his campaign's reliance on wealthy donors.

The Buttigieg campaign was also accused last month of carrying out a "cynical" gimmick to lower the average donation amount in the last quarter.


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...tions-sanders-campaign-celebrates-fundraising

 

[art.spliff]

i did not read the whole thread but i will say f@*# mr j and their friend nothing but trolls the irony is most of these threads are filled up with trolls who all they do is post trash they have a high post count and it is always negative..

 

[audiohi]

MIAMI PASTOR WHOSE MEGACHURCH IS HOSTING DONALD TRUMP GUARANTEES UNDOCUMENTED FOLLOWERS WON'T BE DEPORTED FOR ATTENDING

https://www.newsweek.com/miami-pastor-whose-megachurch-hosting-donald-trump-guarantees-undocumented-followers-wont-1479640

Maldonado told parishioners he didn't think the president would "do such a thing," referencing immigration raids. To attend the event, parishioners had to register on Trump's campaign website and as their "spiritual father and pastor," Maldonado affirmed they didn't have to be a citizen.

"If you want to come, do it for your pastor," he said, according to the Miami Herald. "That's a way of supporting me."

Lol.

 

[audiohi]

Trump Runs Facebook Ads in Spanish Despite Saying 'This is a Country Where We Speak English, Not Spanish'

https://gizmodo.com/trump-runs-facebook-ads-in-spanish-despite-saying-this-1840757520

“¡RESERVA TU ENTRADA YA! Lanzamiento de Evangélicos por Trump en Miami!” one of the new Facebook ads reads, imploring people to sign up for tickets to an event called “Evangelicals For Trump” in Miami, Florida on January 3.

“We have a country where, to assimilate, you have to speak English,” Trump said in 2015, criticizing his rival Jeb Bush for speaking Spanish. “We have to have assimilation. To have a country, we have to have assimilation.”

“This is a country where we speak English, not Spanish,” Trump continued.

Trump repeated this line again and again in 2016, saying that people need to speak English in the U.S. in order to “become successful and do great.”

Someone's scared of Bernie's $1 billion

 

[Dr. Purpur]

I work real hard at not kidding myself: at the TOP it is money and power (and it can be a local mega church, it doesn't have to be the Vatican), but beneath that, it’s about faith and obedience and brainwashing and staying paid up - and bought-in. (They call it Bible-study, but it’s keeping the programming tuned and up-to-date...fixed on the party line). They are industrious cadre, they are as good as any Red Guard at staying on message and out of trouble.

Every preacher is a salesman of products undeliverable, of rules unenforceable, of costs unendurable and benefits imaginary. I’ll take the drugs, thanks: at least they are in fact *something*, and the equation is balanced by real effects and benefits.

Christianity turned into a protection racket 1200-1400 years ago if not more. Catholicism did not ape the Imperial Roman structures by accident, nor did they just stumble upon Rome. It was THE power center and remained so for a further 1000+ years.

Oh, yeah, on the bottom...on the bottom there’s little *but* prayer. They have little else left....

Martin Luther sure did some damage to the Catholic church, by nailing that note on the door, now didn't he?

 

[packerfan79]

I’m curious why you’re in a cannabis-grower’s board?

‘Cause you sound like a professional criminal, not at all the sort of people *I* know anymore these days. Meth too dangerous, all those zombies to deal with? Cocaine too dangerous, or has the bottom fallen out? Contract killing draws too much attention, I guess, so you go pot-biz and just plow through us damned hippies, right? Then come in threads like this to piss in the fire and laugh?

You’re a swell human being

Wait you white Beard is critical of people on a canna site. Dude, you don't grow. Thanks for exposing your hypocrisy. Most of us have been. or currently are criminals by the system. Sorry, you never had the balls to do what we do.

 

[packerfan79]

i did not read the whole thread but i will say f@*# mr j and their friend nothing but trolls the irony is most of these threads are filled up with trolls who all they do is post trash they have a high post count and it is always negative..

Dude, you post completely incoherent shit regularly. I seriously thought you were blueberry the first few times I read your post. I am still not convinced you are not blueberry. Still waiting for the ban hammer to squash your berry.

 

[Mr. J]

Lol, haven't been here in days, I pop in to find you talking about me! I'm flattered. I love you too! Kisses.

 

[packerfan79]

The Bernie Sanders presidential campaign said Wednesday that it met its fundraising goal of 5 million individual donations, boasting of the number as "more contributions than any campaign has received at this point in a presidential election in the history of our country."

"What we are proving on this campaign is that one does not need to beg the wealthy and the powerful for campaign contributions in order to win elections," Sanders said in an email to supporters announcing the fundraising haul.

"I am proud to say that ours is the only campaign in this Democratic primary with more donations than Donald Trump," wrote Sanders.

"Against Trump, I believe we will have 50 million individual contributions, at least," Sanders wrote. "And at $27 a piece, that would be more than $1 billion. It's absolutely obscene and outrageous that an election would cost that much money, but our campaign has proven we will be able to raise more than enough money to win."

The average donation to the Sanders campaign has been $18 so far. If that average continued into the fourth quarter of 2019, New York Times reporter Shane Goldmacher estimated that the Sanders campaign brought in $28.5 million in the last three months of the year.

Pete Buttigieg, who's also vying for the Democratic presidential nomination, announced Wednesday that his campaign brought in over $24.7 million in the final three months of 2019 and had over two million donations over the course of the year.

The now former mayor of South Bend, Indiana has been hit by Sanders and rival Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) over his campaign's reliance on wealthy donors.

The Buttigieg campaign was also accused last month of carrying out a "cynical" gimmick to lower the average donation amount in the last quarter.


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...tions-sanders-campaign-celebrates-fundraising

Hey, If Bernie Sanders believes it will happen, who am I to argue. It's not like communist have ever been wrong in the past.


Cannavore, this is pretty freaking weak for you man. I expect something like this from the mindless Democrats, but you usually make a better effort than them. Step up your game dude.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

I think Bernie would work hard to make the whole United States just like California, then you all could share in the joy that we have here!

 

[packerfan79]

I think Bernie would work hard to make the whole United States just like California, then you all could share in the joy that we have here!

Most of the Democratic candidates have that same goal. It's the Democratic platform.

 

[yesum]

I work real hard at not kidding myself: at the TOP it is money and power (and it can be a local mega church, it doesn't have to be the Vatican), but beneath that, it’s about faith and obedience and brainwashing and staying paid up - and bought-in. (They call it Bible-study, but it’s keeping the programming tuned and up-to-date...fixed on the party line). They are industrious cadre, they are as good as any Red Guard at staying on message and out of trouble.

Every preacher is a salesman of products undeliverable, of rules unenforceable, of costs unendurable and benefits imaginary. I’ll take the drugs, thanks: at least they are in fact *something*, and the equation is balanced by real effects and benefits.

Christianity turned into a protection racket 1200-1400 years ago if not more. Catholicism did not ape the Imperial Roman structures by accident, nor did they just stumble upon Rome. It was THE power center and remained so for a further 1000+ years.

Oh, yeah, on the bottom...on the bottom there’s little *but* prayer. They have little else left....

Well, in the spirit of the new year and being nice, I gotta agree with most of this post. Not a fan of your Trump bashing though.

 

[art.spliff]

i don't know what you mean you think i am blueberry, this thread has lots of banter it isn't a cannabis thread more like disruptive advertising i will help Bernie get elected

because it is something that will help all of us not because i want to get ahead or be better than you or anyone else or be paid to say something

i am someone who would say no to politicians or no to politics but basically whining or talking gibberish is different from

making an attempt to mend relations and solve issues in the same way outside in person as behind the screen and all of that stuff in between

 

[art.spliff]

If this is actually happening there are some talks and a vote in some months from now and we will have a paper with only one or two choices

then for sure I am siding with the most sane reasonable candidate now, who I already voted for. The truth is someone can say I am a gay transgender indian mexican woman that is far more liberal and radical by many people's definitions than most and my voting style based in political ideology is to vote for that candidate 100% of the time. Young and non white and non male and non wealthy I will vote YES to a candidate with any and or all of these things solely for the sake of doing so. We are unable to compare our last two presidents. However, if we look just previous in recent history, I'm tired of royal families. Two terms, relatives, et cetera. This is basically reaching a tipping point where the social norm of saying vote yes for someone only because they are ______ (a stereotype) we have been conditioned to think this is incorrect or frowned upon. When in fact it's a sham a fallacy pulling the wool over the eyes of the population. The opposite is true, vote yes for someone because they are Mexican Woman Transgender Muslim Hindu anything and everything because. It makes perfect sense. To untie a messed up knot. Otherwise you are promoting a closed door policy which does not work especially when there are people and stuff coming and going every day.

 

['Boogieman']

Normally somebody like this would get bashed for being uneducated but I'm guessing this one will get a pass for his/her political views.

 

[art.spliff]

Went to a different state thinking I was going to 'make a difference' 'earn a living' have a 'career' for myself. What I saw were some rude folks who didn't want to pay me or more accurately didn't want me because they are bigots and they do not like what I stand for. Then in a professional world they all probably know each other or pretend like they do not, which makes little difference to me for all intents and purposes.

so far as i can see no compromise, private stuff for social services is like the same thing as the parts counter guy at o'reilly's saying no i haven't heard of the other fifty branches i don't know about those or where they are or what they have. when in truth we already know the entire menu is available the same thing everywhere just like amazon and google

 

['Boogieman']

i went to a different state thinking i was going to 'make a difference' 'earn a living' have a 'career' for myself and what i saw was some rude folks who don't want to pay me because they are a bigot they do not like what i stand for

so far as i can see no compromise

I'm part Mexican myself and had no problem getting work outside my family, please stop using it as a crutch.