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Don’t think I’ve ever seen a post from you that doesn’t complain about the media, specifically the media that doesn’t worship trump.
Ppipeline and yourself rival fox and infowars as far as posting divisive disinformation, especially in terms of volume.
Must be some sort of contest between the two of you on divisive narratives
When everyone you support is a liar. Disinformation is the best information.
'Boogieman'
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Most lefties in here watch MSNBC which is the king of disinformation.
White Beard
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Referencing the instigating remarks, I don’t think “the media” is ‘driving’ division - although absolutely *some* media do - InfoWars, Zero Hedge, Breitbart and co for examples, rage radio for another, sycophants who ‘religiously’ spread their drivel.
The people who scream the most about “the media” seem to be the least able to analyze anything, as if a network will depart from the public record: not even Fox has been able to depart from the public record for the same reasons that judicial proceedings cannot depart from the public record - FACTS MATTER.
If you can’t tell the difference between the public record, and spin on the public record - or omissions of relevant facts therefrom - then I guess all you can do is just pick a side and swallow it all.
And I guess, if that’s all *you* can do, then “the other side” must be doing it, too...you just can’t see how....
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Mr D
Trying to lump me in with fox, infowars and pipeline...can you link to anything here that helps make that point?
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Mr D
No way the "public record" could contain spin or misinformation.
Hard to believe you try to base a rebuttal on some imaginary ultimate truth or fact (public record) when falsifying and tampering with public records is a fairly regular problem.
When video is quoted as facts how can that be called spin. Even when its on video the right refuses to believe what they see. Its pathetic. When we do the same for the left they do not act the same way. They except what they see.
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Mr D
Same could be said for those who dismiss everything that doesn't fit what they are being told. When it comes to the media and politicians from both parties to claim your guy and source is telling the truth and the other side just lies all the time is laughable.
Both sides can take the time to dig up the other sides lies. Youtube makes it easy. You can search youtube for Bush Clinton,Bush jr., Obama and Trump then add lies and you'll get plenty of documented lies. Same goes for the media and hundreds of politicians. Selectively believing the lies of proven liars is what happens every 4 or 8 years in this country if power changes hands.
The Bush era anti war movement went silent when Obama continued to bomb and kill people. The occupy Wall st. movement wasn't quite as vocal when Obama added a trillion or so dollar burden to future generations. For the record by my count Bush jr. is still the worst president in my lifetime.
That goes in to why I'm not more critical of Trump. When Bush rolled out the Patriot act I was extremely bothered by it. Ron Paul spoke out against it, which caused me to start looking around to see what I could find. I was 1/2 surprised to discover that some of the most intrusive surveillance was stuff they tried to pass under the guise of the drug war.
By now most people who pay attention should know FISA courts and the NSA's wholesale collection of our communication, financial transactions and other data do not make us safer nor are they even close to being warranted. Arguably the laws passed in the wake of 9/11 were intended to be used against Americans.
Trump's petty vindictiveness has him shouting about the problems of the intelligence and law enforcement powers they should never have when it comes to Americans. Yes I know he's not concerned with anyone except himself. But most importantly he's shouting it to the very people who supported the post 9/11 police state laws, his base. I remember more people on the left speaking out about the potential abuses 18 years ago, many of which have come to fruition.
I'll continue to post anything that drills down on the deep seated problems concerning the government's ability to spy on us. If in your mind it equates the unwavering support of Trump I don't care. I'm not here to convince you that Trump anything more than what is in the public record pre 2015.
The silence from the democrat candidates on these issues and there desire to get back to the Obama days with anew socialist twist are not inspiring. How long has Bernie been in congress? Why does his record show more support for wealth redistribution than liberty? Why is Bernie so passionate about free shit for non citizens and not for American citizens privacy? Some one have link for a campaign speech he's made currently or in the 2016 primaries where he even mentions any of these things?
I'm sorry you refuse to acknowledge someone like John Solomon's record of accuracy over the last 3 years compared to Maddow's or Cuomo or Brian Williams or Judge Nap and Shepard Smith.
I'm sorry that I supported the findings in Nunes FISA abuse memo while you posted cow memes and supported Schiff's lies.
A hand full of us endured ridicule and personal attacks when we declared the Mueller Russia conspiracy was a dud while you guys repped each other for Mueller Time memes and repeated the lies you were being fed.
At the end of the day I'm comfortable with the public record that exists in the pages of these threads concerning my positions on these issues.
I wonder if any of this is true
I wonder if any of this is true
If it isn't, Giullani should be sued. If it is, all involved belong in prison
Romney, Kerry, Biden, McCain, Pelosi, Schiff, Mueller & Clinton are tied to sketchy Ukraine deals
Romney, Kerry, Biden, McCain, Pelosi, Schiff, Mueller, Soros, Brennan, McMaster, Obama and Clinton are all tied to sketchy Ukraine deals. No wonder they want to impeach President Trump!
Mitt Romney's top adviser, Joseph Cofer Black, joined the board of the Ukraine energy firm, Burisma, while Hunter Biden was also serving on the board. Hunter Biden was taking a salary of $50,000 per month from Burisma, and was simultaneously engaged in a relationship with John Kerry's stepson, Chris Heinz, and mobster Whitey Bulger's nephew, in a private equity firm, that allegedly appeared to be laundering millions of dollars in foreign money from China & the Ukraine, through Latvia, and back to the US.
Romney's adviser, Joseph Cofer Black, trained for covert operations and eventually became the director of the National Counterterrorism Center. After the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks perpetrated by al-Qaeda, Black was appointed ambassador at large and coordinator for counterterrorism in December 2002 by President George W. Bush. John Brennan succeeded Black in his job as director of the National Counterterrorism Center. Cofer Black left the CIA in 2006 to join Blackwater, the huge contractor for services related to military and intelligence action, where he served as Vice Chairman until 2008. See all the ties that bind?
It appears that Romney, Kerry, Biden, McCain, Pelosi, Clinton, Mueller and Schiff all have ties to Ukrainian firms. VP Biden bragged on camera that he was able to force the former Ukraine President to fire a prosecutor who was investigating his son, Hunter, by threatening to withhold $1 BILLION in US loans from Ukraine - all with approval from Obama!
An Obama State Department staffer also testified he complained about Hunter Biden's Ukraine deal in 2015 & Biden's staff “blew him off.” John Solomon revealed emails showing that Ukraine's Burisma Holdings pressed Obama's State Department to help them end the investigation into Hunter Biden & another Burisma board member ONE MONTH BEFORE Joe Biden extorted Ukraine to fire the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son, Hunter, who sat on Burisma's board.
While Communist China ran $1.5 BILLION through the Biden/Heinz private equity firm to purchase US companies with military ties, John Kerry, as Secretary of State, approved questionable acquisitions that threatened national security, but enriched his family and friends. Hunter Biden's Chinese business partner stole American nuclear technology & accepted a plea deal 2 weeks before Trump took office! Hunter Biden received $700,000 from a company that held a 20% stake in a Chinese private equity firm with close ties to the Bank of China.
Kurt Volker, who served as the U.S. Ambassador to NATO under Obama, and was just fired from the Trump White House as special envoy to Ukraine, is the executive director of the John McCain Institute. McCain's wife says it's mean for Trump to question the Biden family's corruption in China & Ukraine: "I think Joe's a lovely man." Kurt Volker testified that Adam Schiff privately pushed him to frame Trump but he refused to do it.
Nancy Pelosi's son, Paul Pelosi Jr., is involved in oil importing from Ukraine and his company, Viscoil, is under investigation for securities fraud. In 2015, Pelosi used the Air Force to fly her entire family to Ukraine at a cost of over $185,000. Nancy Pelosi's legislative aide, Ivanna Voronovych, is from Ukraine and is connected to the Ukrainian Embassy, the Ukrainian military, the Ukrainian government and Ukrainian party life. Pelosi and Schiff are also both connected to a Ukrainian arms dealer.
We also know that Ukraine was involved in helping the Clinton campaign fabricate evidence against Paul Manafort to smear the Trump campaign. We also know that the firm the DNC used to "inspect" the DNC email server, Crowdstrike, is funded by anti-Russian Ukrainian Oligarchs and run by a man who used to work for Mueller at the FBI! Many believe Crowdstrike backed up Hillary's server and hid the DNC server in Ukraine!
Most concerning of all, the former CEO of Danske Bank in Estonia, Aivar Rehe, a bank known for money laundering during the years Obama and Biden were in office, was just found dead in his yard. He was a witness for the prosecution in a $220 BILLION money laundering scandal involving transfers to Latvia.
Rudy Giuliani intimated that this corrupt banking network was likely used by Biden & pals to launder foreign $ from the Ukraine & China - to Latvia, Cyprus and on to America. Records show that some 10,000 "non-resident" accounts were involved. Giuliani says he began investigating Joe Biden before he announced his run for President and that more "corroborating" evidence is forthcoming.
Rudy Giuliani, who was once James Comey's boss, and the former Mayor of New York during 9/11, took down the mob and runs one of the biggest private investigation firms in the world. Don't underestimate Rudy. He already has videotaped interviews of the Ukraine prosecutor that Biden forced out of office. Giuliani says frenzied Democrats are using impeachment to try to cover up their crimes - which are MUCH bigger than you think! NEW Ukraine documents reveal complex foreign money transfers into “slush fund” operated by John Kerry's stepson & Hunter Biden. "I discovered a pay-for-play scheme in Obama's administration the media has covered up & is devastating for Democrats. The minute I mentioned Biden's name, I told my colleagues they're going to try to kill me - kill the message."
Colonel Vindman, an anti-Trump Ukraine expert on the NSC, testified that he altered & leaked Trump's call to secret operatives! Eric Ciaramella has been outed by numerous people as the alleged whistleblower. Federal documents reveal that the 33-year-old Ciaramella was a registered Democrat who previously worked in the Obama White House with former Vice President Joe Biden, Adam Schiff's staff and former CIA Director John Brennan.
Ciaramella was an intelligence officer specializing in Russia and Ukraine. He was a staffer on the National Security Council, where he was responsible for policy regarding Ukraine.
He was H.R. McMaster's personal aide and during the Obama administration had worked with Susan Rice. Ciaramella had gained a reputation as an inveterate leaker, which, he claimed, had resulted in "death threats" from "right-wingers." This was the reason he gave for leaving the NSC in 2017. In reality, he was fired from the National Security Council in 2017 for leaks, and returned to the CIA.
Ciaramella was a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia “collusion” investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. The Democrat attorney for the so-called "whistleblower" bragged in 2017 that he was part of a coup to remove President Trump from office.
Also, Lawfare, the legal gurus behind Pelosi's end run around the Constitution in impeachment, are tied to Brookings, Huawei & Communist China. In other words, Communist China is funding the removal of President Trump. Steve Bannon is building an "impeachment war room" to counter Pelosi & Lawfare's political disinformation campaign against Trump. BANNON: "Joe Biden is the hand grenade & Hunter Biden is the pin. When it's pulled, the shrapnel will blow back all over the DNC."
On 11/14/19, Ukraine indicted Burisma's CEO on 11/14/19 for $7.4 BILLION in money laundering & the media buried it for 6 days. What else happened that day? California school shooting in Katie Hill's district! The Ukrainian indictment of Burisma's CEO implicates Biden, the DNC, Obama donors, Blackrock & Obama's National Security Adviser. Schiff & Obama are both connected to both BlackRock and Franklin Templeton Investments, two companies that were named in the $7.4B Burisma/US-Ukraine corruption claim.
It appears that Obama's administration was helping George Soros, the defacto head of the Democrat party, control & take over the former Soviet state of Ukraine to steal her wealth & resources. Soros also used Obama's DOJ & Mueller's pal, Andrew Weissmann, to prosecute & seize assets from Soros' foreign competitors under guise of corruption. Joe diGenova says George Soros wants to control Ukraine and will use every lever he has in the US Government to make that happen.
Why are so many wealthy, corrupt Ukrainians tied to the Deep State, the Democrats & Communist China? Ukraine was formerly known as UkSSR, the Soviet Ukraine, and was run by Communists until 1991.
Did you know that Obama put John Podesta in charge of "upgrading" the NSA databases in 2014? Now you know why. For SpyGate. Get ready. Giuliani is about to expose the entire Deep State Ukraine money laundering cabal LIVE ON TV FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE.
I wonder if any of this is true
If it isn't, Giullani should be sued. If it is, all involved belong in prison
Romney, Kerry, Biden, McCain, Pelosi, Schiff, Mueller & Clinton are tied to sketchy Ukraine deals
Romney, Kerry, Biden, McCain, Pelosi, Schiff, Mueller, Soros, Brennan, McMaster, Obama and Clinton are all tied to sketchy Ukraine deals. No wonder they want to impeach President Trump!
Mitt Romney's top adviser, Joseph Cofer Black, joined the board of the Ukraine energy firm, Burisma, while Hunter Biden was also serving on the board. Hunter Biden was taking a salary of $50,000 per month from Burisma, and was simultaneously engaged in a relationship with John Kerry's stepson, Chris Heinz, and mobster Whitey Bulger's nephew, in a private equity firm, that allegedly appeared to be laundering millions of dollars in foreign money from China & the Ukraine, through Latvia, and back to the US.
Romney's adviser, Joseph Cofer Black, trained for covert operations and eventually became the director of the National Counterterrorism Center. After the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks perpetrated by al-Qaeda, Black was appointed ambassador at large and coordinator for counterterrorism in December 2002 by President George W. Bush. John Brennan succeeded Black in his job as director of the National Counterterrorism Center. Cofer Black left the CIA in 2006 to join Blackwater, the huge contractor for services related to military and intelligence action, where he served as Vice Chairman until 2008. See all the ties that bind?
It appears that Romney, Kerry, Biden, McCain, Pelosi, Clinton, Mueller and Schiff all have ties to Ukrainian firms. VP Biden bragged on camera that he was able to force the former Ukraine President to fire a prosecutor who was investigating his son, Hunter, by threatening to withhold $1 BILLION in US loans from Ukraine - all with approval from Obama!
An Obama State Department staffer also testified he complained about Hunter Biden's Ukraine deal in 2015 & Biden's staff “blew him off.” John Solomon revealed emails showing that Ukraine's Burisma Holdings pressed Obama's State Department to help them end the investigation into Hunter Biden & another Burisma board member ONE MONTH BEFORE Joe Biden extorted Ukraine to fire the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son, Hunter, who sat on Burisma's board.
While Communist China ran $1.5 BILLION through the Biden/Heinz private equity firm to purchase US companies with military ties, John Kerry, as Secretary of State, approved questionable acquisitions that threatened national security, but enriched his family and friends. Hunter Biden's Chinese business partner stole American nuclear technology & accepted a plea deal 2 weeks before Trump took office! Hunter Biden received $700,000 from a company that held a 20% stake in a Chinese private equity firm with close ties to the Bank of China.
Kurt Volker, who served as the U.S. Ambassador to NATO under Obama, and was just fired from the Trump White House as special envoy to Ukraine, is the executive director of the John McCain Institute. McCain's wife says it's mean for Trump to question the Biden family's corruption in China & Ukraine: "I think Joe's a lovely man." Kurt Volker testified that Adam Schiff privately pushed him to frame Trump but he refused to do it.
Nancy Pelosi's son, Paul Pelosi Jr., is involved in oil importing from Ukraine and his company, Viscoil, is under investigation for securities fraud. In 2015, Pelosi used the Air Force to fly her entire family to Ukraine at a cost of over $185,000. Nancy Pelosi's legislative aide, Ivanna Voronovych, is from Ukraine and is connected to the Ukrainian Embassy, the Ukrainian military, the Ukrainian government and Ukrainian party life. Pelosi and Schiff are also both connected to a Ukrainian arms dealer.
We also know that Ukraine was involved in helping the Clinton campaign fabricate evidence against Paul Manafort to smear the Trump campaign. We also know that the firm the DNC used to "inspect" the DNC email server, Crowdstrike, is funded by anti-Russian Ukrainian Oligarchs and run by a man who used to work for Mueller at the FBI! Many believe Crowdstrike backed up Hillary's server and hid the DNC server in Ukraine!
Most concerning of all, the former CEO of Danske Bank in Estonia, Aivar Rehe, a bank known for money laundering during the years Obama and Biden were in office, was just found dead in his yard. He was a witness for the prosecution in a $220 BILLION money laundering scandal involving transfers to Latvia.
Rudy Giuliani intimated that this corrupt banking network was likely used by Biden & pals to launder foreign $ from the Ukraine & China - to Latvia, Cyprus and on to America. Records show that some 10,000 "non-resident" accounts were involved. Giuliani says he began investigating Joe Biden before he announced his run for President and that more "corroborating" evidence is forthcoming.
Rudy Giuliani, who was once James Comey's boss, and the former Mayor of New York during 9/11, took down the mob and runs one of the biggest private investigation firms in the world. Don't underestimate Rudy. He already has videotaped interviews of the Ukraine prosecutor that Biden forced out of office. Giuliani says frenzied Democrats are using impeachment to try to cover up their crimes - which are MUCH bigger than you think! NEW Ukraine documents reveal complex foreign money transfers into “slush fund” operated by John Kerry's stepson & Hunter Biden. "I discovered a pay-for-play scheme in Obama's administration the media has covered up & is devastating for Democrats. The minute I mentioned Biden's name, I told my colleagues they're going to try to kill me - kill the message."
Colonel Vindman, an anti-Trump Ukraine expert on the NSC, testified that he altered & leaked Trump's call to secret operatives! Eric Ciaramella has been outed by numerous people as the alleged whistleblower. Federal documents reveal that the 33-year-old Ciaramella was a registered Democrat who previously worked in the Obama White House with former Vice President Joe Biden, Adam Schiff's staff and former CIA Director John Brennan.
Ciaramella was an intelligence officer specializing in Russia and Ukraine. He was a staffer on the National Security Council, where he was responsible for policy regarding Ukraine.
He was H.R. McMaster's personal aide and during the Obama administration had worked with Susan Rice. Ciaramella had gained a reputation as an inveterate leaker, which, he claimed, had resulted in "death threats" from "right-wingers." This was the reason he gave for leaving the NSC in 2017. In reality, he was fired from the National Security Council in 2017 for leaks, and returned to the CIA.
Ciaramella was a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia “collusion” investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. The Democrat attorney for the so-called "whistleblower" bragged in 2017 that he was part of a coup to remove President Trump from office.
Also, Lawfare, the legal gurus behind Pelosi's end run around the Constitution in impeachment, are tied to Brookings, Huawei & Communist China. In other words, Communist China is funding the removal of President Trump. Steve Bannon is building an "impeachment war room" to counter Pelosi & Lawfare's political disinformation campaign against Trump. BANNON: "Joe Biden is the hand grenade & Hunter Biden is the pin. When it's pulled, the shrapnel will blow back all over the DNC."
On 11/14/19, Ukraine indicted Burisma's CEO on 11/14/19 for $7.4 BILLION in money laundering & the media buried it for 6 days. What else happened that day? California school shooting in Katie Hill's district! The Ukrainian indictment of Burisma's CEO implicates Biden, the DNC, Obama donors, Blackrock & Obama's National Security Adviser. Schiff & Obama are both connected to both BlackRock and Franklin Templeton Investments, two companies that were named in the $7.4B Burisma/US-Ukraine corruption claim.
It appears that Obama's administration was helping George Soros, the defacto head of the Democrat party, control & take over the former Soviet state of Ukraine to steal her wealth & resources. Soros also used Obama's DOJ & Mueller's pal, Andrew Weissmann, to prosecute & seize assets from Soros' foreign competitors under guise of corruption. Joe diGenova says George Soros wants to control Ukraine and will use every lever he has in the US Government to make that happen.
Why are so many wealthy, corrupt Ukrainians tied to the Deep State, the Democrats & Communist China? Ukraine was formerly known as UkSSR, the Soviet Ukraine, and was run by Communists until 1991.
Did you know that Obama put John Podesta in charge of "upgrading" the NSA databases in 2014? Now you know why. For SpyGate. Get ready. Giuliani is about to expose the entire Deep State Ukraine money laundering cabal LIVE ON TV FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE.
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Mr D
Yes because most of my 22,700 rep points comes from political posts which falsely conveys anything grow related on a weed site. Also this is not the first or only site I've posted on with a rep system. I always disable when the option is available.
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Mr D
A lot of this was covered by John Solomon and here.
https://www.oann.com/oaninvestigates/
Parts 2 and 3 show documents, witness testimony and statements from current and former government officials. If the reporting is correct much of this is a well known fact to many Ukrainians.
Nobody forgot that Trump shut down the government while stonewalling Congress because he wanted the taxpayers to fund the wall he claimed Mexico was going to pay for.
its called winning
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Mr D
Probably be surprised to learn I spent 8 years being called a libtard by republicans and conservatives for my opposition to Bush and his horrible policies.
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