Oh I see...didnt Schiff subpoena all them cats in the investigation phase?
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Oh I see...didnt Schiff subpoena all them cats in the investigation phase?
Give me some examples. You guys are too easy! Please don't change the subject!
What do you disagree with in President Trump's letter to Pelosi December 17?
There are a lot of representatives and citizens including constitutional lawyers who agree. Surpreme court is looking to be a leverage point of the DEmocrats. If they can prevent the supreme court picks of an Impeached President Trump they have reduced the power of the Republican Government.
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CHRISTIANITY TODAY
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html
Trump Should Be Removed from Office
In our founding documents, Billy Graham explains that Christianity Today will help evangelical Christians interpret the news in a manner that reflects their faith. The impeachment of Donald Trump is a significant event in the story of our republic. It requires comment.
The typical CT approach is to stay above the fray and allow Christians with different political convictions to make their arguments in the public square, to encourage all to pursue justice according to their convictions and treat their political opposition as charitably as possible. We want CT to be a place that welcomes Christians from across the political spectrum, and reminds everyone that politics is not the end and purpose of our being. We take pride in the fact, for instance, that politics does not dominate our homepage.
That said, we do feel it necessary from time to time to make our own opinions on political matters clear—always, as Graham encouraged us, doing so with both conviction and love. We love and pray for our president, as we love and pray for leaders (as well as ordinary citizens) on both sides of the political aisle.
Let’s grant this to the president: The Democrats have had it out for him from day one, and therefore nearly everything they do is under a cloud of partisan suspicion. This has led many to suspect not only motives but facts in these recent impeachment hearings. And, no, Mr. Trump did not have a serious opportunity to offer his side of the story in the House hearings on impeachment.
But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.
The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.
Trump’s evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president. We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see. This damages the institution of the presidency, damages the reputation of our country, and damages both the spirit and the future of our people. None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.
This concern for the character of our national leader is not new in CT. In 1998, we wrote this:
The President's failure to tell the truth—even when cornered—rips at the fabric of the nation. This is not a private affair. For above all, social intercourse is built on a presumption of trust: trust that the milk your grocer sells you is wholesome and pure; trust that the money you put in your bank can be taken out of the bank; trust that your babysitter, firefighters, clergy, and ambulance drivers will all do their best. And while politicians are notorious for breaking campaign promises, while in office they have a fundamental obligation to uphold our trust in them and to live by the law.
And this:
Unsavory dealings and immoral acts by the President and those close to him have rendered this administration morally unable to lead.
Unfortunately, the words that we applied to Mr. Clinton 20 years ago apply almost perfectly to our current president. Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment. That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments.
To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?
We have reserved judgment on Mr. Trump for years now. Some have criticized us for our reserve. But when it comes to condemning the behavior of another, patient charity must come first. So we have done our best to give evangelical Trump supporters their due, to try to understand their point of view, to see the prudential nature of so many political decisions they have made regarding Mr. Trump. To use an old cliché, it’s time to call a spade a spade, to say that no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game, we are playing with a stacked deck of gross immorality and ethical incompetence. And just when we think it’s time to push all our chips to the center of the table, that’s when the whole game will come crashing down. It will crash down on the reputation of evangelical religion and on the world’s understanding of the gospel. And it will come crashing down on a nation of men and women whose welfare is also our concern.
Mark Galli is editor in chief of Christianity Today.
CHRISTIANITY TODAY
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html
Trump Should Be Removed from Office
It’s time to say what we said 20 years ago when a president’s character was revealed for what it was.
In our founding documents, Billy Graham explains that Christianity Today will help evangelical Christians interpret the news in a manner that reflects their faith. The impeachment of Donald Trump is a significant event in the story of our republic. It requires comment.
The typical CT approach is to stay above the fray and allow Christians with different political convictions to make their arguments in the public square, to encourage all to pursue justice according to their convictions and treat their political opposition as charitably as possible. We want CT to be a place that welcomes Christians from across the political spectrum, and reminds everyone that politics is not the end and purpose of our being. We take pride in the fact, for instance, that politics does not dominate our homepage.
That said, we do feel it necessary from time to time to make our own opinions on political matters clear—always, as Graham encouraged us, doing so with both conviction and love. We love and pray for our president, as we love and pray for leaders (as well as ordinary citizens) on both sides of the political aisle.
Let’s grant this to the president: The Democrats have had it out for him from day one, and therefore nearly everything they do is under a cloud of partisan suspicion. This has led many to suspect not only motives but facts in these recent impeachment hearings. And, no, Mr. Trump did not have a serious opportunity to offer his side of the story in the House hearings on impeachment.
But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.
The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.
Trump’s evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president. We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see. This damages the institution of the presidency, damages the reputation of our country, and damages both the spirit and the future of our people. None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.
This concern for the character of our national leader is not new in CT. In 1998, we wrote this:
The President's failure to tell the truth—even when cornered—rips at the fabric of the nation. This is not a private affair. For above all, social intercourse is built on a presumption of trust: trust that the milk your grocer sells you is wholesome and pure; trust that the money you put in your bank can be taken out of the bank; trust that your babysitter, firefighters, clergy, and ambulance drivers will all do their best. And while politicians are notorious for breaking campaign promises, while in office they have a fundamental obligation to uphold our trust in them and to live by the law.
And this:
Unsavory dealings and immoral acts by the President and those close to him have rendered this administration morally unable to lead.
Unfortunately, the words that we applied to Mr. Clinton 20 years ago apply almost perfectly to our current president. Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment. That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments.
To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?
We have reserved judgment on Mr. Trump for years now. Some have criticized us for our reserve. But when it comes to condemning the behavior of another, patient charity must come first. So we have done our best to give evangelical Trump supporters their due, to try to understand their point of view, to see the prudential nature of so many political decisions they have made regarding Mr. Trump. To use an old cliché, it’s time to call a spade a spade, to say that no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game, we are playing with a stacked deck of gross immorality and ethical incompetence. And just when we think it’s time to push all our chips to the center of the table, that’s when the whole game will come crashing down. It will crash down on the reputation of evangelical religion and on the world’s understanding of the gospel. And it will come crashing down on a nation of men and women whose welfare is also our concern.
Mark Galli is editor in chief of Christianity Today.
Not much there to go off of. Thanks for sharing! What do you think about the statements made about the lack of due process in the prosecution. Pelosi and the Democrats created special "trial rules" for this impeachment. They did not follow the criteria of a fair criminal court!!!!
Please read this again!
There are a lot of representatives and citizens including constitutional lawyers who agree. Surpreme court is looking to be a leverage point of the DEmocrats. If they can prevent the supreme court picks of an Impeached President Trump they have reduced the power of the Republican Government.
I wouldn't sweat it...hes still the prez doin all the prez shit...nothin new here...the executive branch does not
Serve at the pleasure of the legislative branch...if they dont like it they should have him removed in a senate trial...but apparently they dont feel to confident bout all that
I wouldn't sweat it...hes still the prez doin all the prez shit...nothin new here...the executive branch does not
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Serve at the pleasure of the legislative branch...if they dont like it they should have him removed in a senate trial...but apparently they dont feel to confident bout all that
Its time to start sweating. Listen to Mitch McConnell. I posted it earlier!
Here ya go! There is a lot going on right now, but we need to address this impeachment scam! This has to stop! We don't want impeachment with special "trial rules" to be regular business where it could be used as a political tool to disrupt power of the other party in the future.
The electoral college system is not in question. Its staying put. Thats part of the design of our republic. Its what makes a republic different from a democracy. America is a republic form of government to prevent issues that always occur in pure democracy governments.
What else do you have?
give us some examples of pure democracy governmentsThe electoral college system is not in question. Its staying put. Thats part of the design of our republic. Its what makes a republic different from a democracy. America is a republic form of government to prevent issues that always occur in pure democracy governments.
What else do you have?
and the issues that always occur
What else do you have?
I suppose the most likely thing to save us from republicans and democrats is asteroids and super volcanos.
They few that survive will not have to worry about politicians will be for 12000 years.
So the dems say it is to important to wait for the supreme court to rule if the president must give up executive privilege. They say he is a threat to the 2020 election and the nation. So they rush impeachment threw and say there is no time to wait on the Supreme Court to rule. Then they charge him with the made up crime of obstruction of congress because they would not wait on the Supreme Court.
And now we wait. Wouldn't it have been better to just wait for the Supreme Court. Not if this is all political which it is.
And now we wait. Wouldn't it have been better to just wait for the Supreme Court. Not if this is all political which it is.
There is always the fake man made global warming.
Chill bro...the Senate makes all the rules...mitch can call all exculpatory witnesses if he wants..and not let them call even one
Once the articles of impeachment are delivered to senate...the house has not one word to say about the rules in the senate... not even one
Dont know why folks are having a problem with this...but that's the way she goes...chucky can say what he wants...but he is the minority leader and holds no weight in the Senate
This dilemma arises from the apeachment not being partisan
In a real inpeachment the crime or offense is so grievous that both dem and repub want to remove the prez and both would work together to indict. ..since this is divided along partisan lines...its dem vs repub and the repubs hold the senate... the final and sole deciders of the trial rules and jurors....remember not a criminal trial or rules
The house is responsible to deliver all the charges and witnesses already done in the articles...if they do a shit job with that..its to bad
Once the articles of impeachment are delivered to senate...the house has not one word to say about the rules in the senate... not even one
Dont know why folks are having a problem with this...but that's the way she goes...chucky can say what he wants...but he is the minority leader and holds no weight in the Senate
This dilemma arises from the apeachment not being partisan
In a real inpeachment the crime or offense is so grievous that both dem and repub want to remove the prez and both would work together to indict. ..since this is divided along partisan lines...its dem vs repub and the repubs hold the senate... the final and sole deciders of the trial rules and jurors....remember not a criminal trial or rules
The house is responsible to deliver all the charges and witnesses already done in the articles...if they do a shit job with that..its to bad
We have to stay vigilant. We have to stay engaged in the battle for freedom and liberty. There are A LOT of people who want to take your liberty and freedom away.
Look up founding fathers of America writings. Bad ticket said I can't post links, so if I post something it needs to matter. You can do your own research into history! Go!
I am not stressed at all. Just pointing out how weak the dems argument is. It changes with the wind. When something don't work they make up something else. It has been a impeachment fight since before he won the election.
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