Thai weed from Thailand

[kro-magnon]

No people like you claim it was a fantasy, I have never said it was a widespread commercial product, I said I only saw them over a few years a handful of times.

If people look back at the time period I have posted, It lines up exactly to that of Gypsy experience.



Who exactly are you calling stupid people, me Gypsy ?

Most of the people I grew up with tried them, are they stupid too lol

Anyone stupid enough to buy buds dipped in opium and waste half of it while preparing the pipe or whatever tool used to consume it, it is so unpractical I can't understand why someone would want this 2 things mixed together before being in pipe
As I said in my other post I don't deny some did it but it was only made for people who had no knowledge of how to use those products and at such a small scale most people never saw any thankfully.

 

[Elmer Bud]

anybodys that ever smoked opium on purpose will instantly know its a mythe .
1 How are you gonna dip bud in opium ? its a hard substance like hash , its not liquid or powder
2 It smells and tastes like floral wet dog .
3 Opium hardly has a effective high in those amounts
4 you cant even smoke it without inventing some smoking device , its not even active at joint burning temperatures

Yeah thanks for taking the time to read my post ....

They weren`t using raw opium . The theory is they collected steam from pots of boiling opium .
Opium poppy doesn`t just have a narcotic effect . There are other alkaloids in the poppy that have other effects .

It contains more than 30 different types of alkaloids, so it is necessary to extract and identify each bioactive compound

Opium alkaloids, biosynthesis, pharmacology and association with cancer occurrence - PMC

Keywords: opioid, biosynthetic pathway, phytochemistry, pharmacology, tumour

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Opium Alkaloids​

The pharmacologically active principles of opium reside in its alkaloids, the foremost important of which, morphine, constitutes about 10 percent by weight of raw opium. Other active alkaloids like papaverine and codeine are present in smaller proportions. Opium alkaloids are of two types, counting on chemical structure and action. Morphine, codeine, and thebaine, which represent one type, influence the central systema nervosum and are analgesic, narcotic, and potentially addicting compounds. Papaverine, noscapine (formerly called narcotine), and most of the opposite opium alkaloids act only to relax involuntary (smooth) muscles.

The lime used to extract morphine , extracts some alkaloids but not all . And like I said not all the alkaloids are narcotic . Some can have a stimulating effect !!

I wasn`t there . I agree that the folks making Morphine to turn into heroin would not be giving away their product . But this is a by product and value adding .
Possible , but obviously on a much smaller scale than the main Thai Stick trade .

 

[Donald Mallard]

I think we can clearly see the problem with introducing this topic into this thread that is about Thai cannabis not opium..
Some people revel in being part of urban myths as they think it boosts their persona for some reason.
Any way this debate should be had in the appropriate thread..

 

[Elmer Bud]

This is some more info on the cartel out of Australia in the 70s .
These guys were big in there day . CIA involved in money laundering , gun running and drug smuggling .

Nugan Hand Bank​

Nugan Hand Bank was an Australian merchant bank that collapsed in 1980 after the suicide of one of its founders, Australian lawyer Francis John Nugan, resulting in a major scandal.[1] News stories suggested that the bank had been involved in illegal activities, including drug smuggling, arms deals, and providing a front for the United States Central Intelligence Agency. Speculation grew when it became known that the bank had employed a number of retired United States military and intelligence officers, including former CIA director William Colby.

You wanna do some smuggling ? the former CIA director could be the man you need . LOL

 

[Chi13]

Yea okay now the communists were exporting the Thai Sticks lol

There are people in Communist countries like Laos and Vietnam involved in cannabis exports. It's just across the river from Thailand. Not sure what point you're making?

 

[Elmer Bud]

There are people in Communist countries like Laos and Vietnam involved in cannabis exports. It's just across the river from Thailand. Not sure what point you're making?

If you go to Vietnam you will find little evidence of communism in the city .
Bill boards advertising USA consumer products are every where .
I asked some locals about anger and resentment towards the USA ? They told me that was the old people . The young generations want western products and western money .

The one thing that hinted of the Communist Gov regime . Every motor scooter rider had their right index finger on the brake lever .[ they must have been trained to do it ] You don`t see that in Thailand .

 

[kro-magnon]

There are people in Communist countries like Laos and Vietnam involved in cannabis exports. It's just across the river from Thailand. Not sure what point you're making?

He makes no point, he was just trying to mock me because I posted some historical facts when he only makes vague unreliable statements.

 

[sativanese]

Has anyone seen any foreign sativas or hazes in Thailand that are noteworthy or mentionable?
Id assume there can still be a reasonable market for old school hazes or Original Hz due to appearance.
Be much cooler to get idk...Mango haze or Nevs in Thailand....sorta make for a better Thai experience opposed to just sitting in a room smoking american stuff.

 

[Elmer Bud]

Has anyone seen any foreign sativas or hazes in Thailand that are noteworthy or mentionable?
Id assume there can still be a reasonable market for old school hazes or Original Hz due to appearance.
Be much cooler to get idk...Mango haze or Nevs in Thailand....sorta make for a better Thai experience opposed to just sitting in a room smoking american stuff.

Arjan has a Green House shop on Suhkumvit Rd .
I looked at the menus . Asked about Mango Haze - only have pre rolled joints . Hmmm ,,, OK I will take one of them and some of the Early Pearl .

The Mango Haze was outstanding . I was very suspicious of it being pre rolled . Turned out to be wickedly strong .Great joint I smoked it 3 different times and got smashed every time !

 

[kro-magnon]

Arjan has a Green House shop on Suhkumvit Rd .
I looked at the menus . Asked about Mango Haze - only have pre rolled joints . Hmmm ,,, OK I will take one of them and some of the Early Pearl .

The Mango Haze was outstanding . I was very suspicious of it being pre rolled . Turned out to be wickedly strong .Great joint I smoked it 3 different times and got smashed every time !

Sometimes it comes from the most unexpected place, like you I would have been suspicious about what's really rolled in those pre-rolled but I think you know what a sativa high is supposed to be so if you say you've been satisfied by the Mango Haze from Greenhouse in thailand no reason to doubt it was some good weed in this paper;
Is it expensive in the Greenhouse shop for locals or they can afford their products as well?

 

[tstick]

Opiated Thai Sticks were absolutely THE thing back in the 70's! The first time I took a puff on a pin joint of that stuff, I was paralyzed....in a quite beautiful way! I only had two of those sticks in my life, but oooohhhhhh, man! It was probably not the "correct" way to use opium....What did we know? Nothing! Who cared? No one! I'll say that smoking an opiated Thai stick was a memory I will never forget! The only other time I felt bliss like that was when I was on a morphine drip.....again the poppy! Looking back on those times, I feel honored to have been around for ALL those real-deal things!

 

[kro-magnon]

If you go to Vietnam you will find little evidence of communism in the city .
Bill boards advertising USA consumer products are every where .
I asked some locals about anger and resentment towards the USA ? They told me that was the old people . The young generations want western products and western money .

The one thing that hinted of the Communist Gov regime . Every motor scooter rider had their right index finger on the brake lever .[ they must have been trained to do it ] You don`t see that in Thailand .

Vietnam is not a communist country anymore since the 80's, they still have a socialist government but it's not a strict communist regime since the introduction of mixed economy in the 80/90's.

 

[@hempy]

Vietnam is not a communist country anymore since the 80's, they still have a socialist government but it's not a strict communist regime since the introduction of mixed economy in the 80/90's.

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam is an authoritarian state ruled by a single party, the Communist Party of Vietnam, led by General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong, President Nguyen Xuan Phuc, Prime Minister Pham Minh Chinh, and Chairman of the National Assembly Vuong Dinh Hue.




You really need to do a little research on the topic before making such claims.

 

[ninox33]

Even Howard Marks (Mr Nice, RIP) in his book talked about how weed was bought in Vietnam, packaged as Thai and resold as Thai...

Yeah I think I’d give more weight to this than a teenager scoring off an Uncle’s biker mate.
Unless you were hands on from the beginning of the process, we have no idea. Applies to most mythical unicorn strains.
Before there was bag appeal, there was name appeal. Much easier to adjust at point of sale.

 

[kro-magnon]

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam is an authoritarian state ruled by a single party, the Communist Party of Vietnam, led by General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong, President Nguyen Xuan Phuc, Prime Minister Pham Minh Chinh, and Chairman of the National Assembly Vuong Dinh Hue.




You really need to do a little research on the topic before making such claims.

You have just googled that and try to pass this as real research, please. My post post is clear they still have a socialist government but don't function as an old communist country since they have a mixed economy with some capitalists having a lot of money invested in this country, they have many factories like Nike I believe or other brands as big as them.
And after this type of post you dare saying you're not there to argue, my god what a display of bad faith that's insane.

 

[@hempy]

It's a communist Country, go look it up, I don't know what your definition of a non-communist country is, but every else call it a communist country.

Politically, Vietnam is a one-party state ruled by the Communist Party. The People’s Army of Vietnam has significant influence in the political system. Freedom of expression, opinion and speech are guaranteed in the constitution but not implemented in practice. Vietnam’s vibrant civil society and social media face increasing restrictions affecting both informal actors (such as bloggers) and legally registered NGOs. Human rights remain a contentious issue in the U.S.-Vietnam relationship; however, successive U.S. presidents have assured Vietnamese leaders that the United States respects Vietnam’s differing political system.

https://www.usip.org/publications/2024/09/current-situation-vietnam

 

[ninox33]

A visitor would never notice in Vietnam. Locals do.

Truong My Lan: Vietnamese tycoon loses death row appeal over world's biggest bank fraud

She is now in a race for her life - if she can pay back 75% of what she took, she could be spared.

www.bbc.com

 

[sativanese]

Arjan has a Green House shop on Suhkumvit Rd .
I looked at the menus . Asked about Mango Haze - only have pre rolled joints . Hmmm ,,, OK I will take one of them and some of the Early Pearl .

The Mango Haze was outstanding . I was very suspicious of it being pre rolled . Turned out to be wickedly strong .Great joint I smoked it 3 different times and got smashed every time !

Don't mean to be 'that guy' maybe I shoulda said 'real' hazes.

I just don't think Arjan's stuff is worth talking about, pretty sure its exactly what we don't want in Thailand but that's the business.... He is great with promotion, business and media stuff.
I personally have never grown any greenhouse stock, I tried some stuff in Amsterdam years ago.
His reputation is enough to make me not want any of his stuff these days.

Though you're review is making me doubt myself hahaha!

But there's a million other people doing much better work with hazes that actually go above X-weeks which is why I brough up haze due to their daylight cycle.
E.g. Mahakala, Madmac, Wally.

Dont wanna start that conversation on this thread too much...

 

[kro-magnon]

How can I be more clear, do you understand english? Their political structure is communist but their economy is not anymore, that's what I've written in my 2 precedent posts but it seems you struggle to understand english when it does not go your way, a bit like a communist would do.

 

[@hempy]

The one on the left must be her layer, she's got this as she lives in a democracy not a communist country.