Thai weed from Thailand

[ThaiBliss]

It's amazing how so many people's experiences were so similar. I remember the Thai sticks becoming scarce in the late 70s and early 80s. It started to arrive to me as compressed buds, obviously bricked. The brick maybe wasn't quite as good, it had seeds and stems. But it was still the best weed on the planet.

I used to buy some, and sell half to fund my next purchase. People would totally underestimate it, even back then when hash plant weed was rarer. Hash plant weed hits almost instantly. People would smoke a hit or two of Thai and 10 minutes later they would complain they weren't getting high. They would take another hit, and WHAM! They had smoked too much. The newbies would sometimes turn down a purchase, I'd laugh because I knew Thai weed would last four times longer than decent weed, maybe longer since people tended to hoard it. They would call back later begging for it. It is not only super potent, but it is a unique experience. Thai weed taught me the art of titration. More is not always better.


Of the plants seen in my search for plants closely related to the Thai experience, this is a phenotype that looked like the plants from Thai seeds that I tried to grow as a kid.

Thanks Gypsy for spreading rare seed around. You have given me hope of resurrecting something similar.

 

[Limeygreen]

It's amazing how so many people's experiences were so similar. I remember the Thai sticks becoming scarce in the late 70s and early 80s. It started to arrive to me as compressed buds, obviously bricked. The brick maybe wasn't quite as good, it had seeds and stems. But it was still the best weed on the planet.

I used to buy some, and sell half to fund my next purchase. People would totally underestimate it, even back then when hash plant weed was rarer. Hash plant weed hits almost instantly. People would smoke a hit or two of Thai and 10 minutes later they would complain they weren't getting high. They would take another hit, and WHAM! They had smoked too much. The newbies would sometimes turn down a purchase, I'd laugh because I knew Thai weed would last four times longer than decent weed, maybe longer since people tended to hoard it. They would call back later begging for it. It is not only super potent, but it is a unique experience. Thai weed taught me the art of titration. More is not always better.


Of the plants seen in my search for plants closely related to the Thai experience, this is a phenotype that looked like the plants from Thai seeds that I tried to grow as a kid.

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Thanks Gypsy for spreading rare seed around. You have given me hope of resurrecting something similar.

Those are the thai stick seeds he had on offer?

 

[ThaiBliss]

Those are the thai stick seeds he had on offer?

Those were a polyhybrid descendent of Gypsy Nirvana Thai Stick. The other genetics in the soup, if I might, had Thai ancestry also. They were Neville's Haze 21 and Mullumbimby Madness.

I think Gypsy was also responsible for spreading around Zamal from La Reunion Island. Another reportedly highly psychelelic strain of weed. And many others, I'm sure.

Good Work Gypsy

 

[nepalnt21]

it's as if the Thai's themselves consider their own traditional cannabis - a much lower grade - compared to all the fancy named - mostly indoor grown hybrids

that is some sad shit

 

[@hempy]

Anyway hempy just a question as im sure a hybrid version of outback haze is being passed around....your thai dont give the typical lemony, creamy, sweet sour thai tones does it ?

Hi Storm and happy NY to you and every one.

I wish Sam a speedy recovery, I was hoping he was doing better.

No Thai should give a lemony or a creamy or sweet smell, non I ever grew did, but it's possible to find that in the modern Thai as a lot have been hybridised.

cus from what i know...and its abit harder to get this from the outback straigh...but it seems to give darker tones in taste and scent heavily...i did abit of experimenting....an i have to say nevil did very very well to pick your thai.....cus if used the right way ive seen it turn haze completly liver leather....eg like in a5 you can still pick up the piney nl tones with the hazeA an ag13 you get abit more muted liver leather tones due to the g13.....but your thai if used the correct way seems to ramp up the liver leather fully.....an ive seen the odd plant get some mango background as well as the liver leather....but mostly it turns the liver leather traits up heavily....( i aint got thia so dont worry.. but just did some experiments with some things)....and managed to get huge plants with those weaping willow type drooping leaves....many with completly red/purple stems....bit lighter coloured leaves to your thia.....but ive managed to get wat looks like some old old colombian thai hybrid that just reaks of pure liver leather even in veg really badly....wich was kind of nevils goal.....i ask cus ive seen some discriptions of outback hz being used and it giving lemony bright tones like modern thais....i was suprised to hear this...and then thought maybe some hybrid version of outback is being pased around....thought id ask if the lemony, creamy, sweet sour thing makes any sense to you....i know ojd haze the proper outback haze too...but im not too sure about some of whats going around....thought id ask what you think...?

Nevil wanted A good old school Thai for his Grail project, because Thai was the closest thing Nevil has ever come across to Haze. My Thai was the last line he grew, there is a story to that, but he picked my Thai because she smoked like the best Haze female Nevil had ever found that the HzA male resembled.

The idea of the Grail project was to cross a Thai female with a Haze male because the male carries the ancestral information from father to son and so on, it was about bringing out ancestral types from the Haze side instead of inbreeding the Haze. The outback didn't use a Haze Male but used reversed NH females instead as Nevil didn't find the right male.

That was why I made the Deliverance, I found what I believed was the right NH male being a HzA leaner and crossed him with the Thai female.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

that is some sad shit

Yup - that's the feeling I got from several Thai cannabis shop owners/workers - but to me it's understandable since all of the owners and workers I talked to were at least 20 years younger than me - and so had probably not ever sampled some of the great Thai 'erb - Thai Stick and Buddha Sticks - I had access to 40 or more years ago - due to heavy government crack-downs on Thai cannabis farms over the past 40 years - so creating the circumstances whereby mainly commercial low quality imported brick weed from Cambodia and Laos was available when these owners/workers were starting to get interested in cannabis - so this new influx of foreign bred hybrids - makes them act like kids in a candy store - hooked on the foreign bred varieties - since perhaps they had never tasted really good Thai 'erb - from their own country - as I had done 4/5 years before I even first visited Thailand - in 1983 - back in 79' - in the USA -

 

[DarkStorm.]

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Deliverance (hempy)

'78 thai x NHz f2

Hello nexus, is that actualy the 78Thia x nhf2 hempy has done please......looks not to far off what ive managed to get....though i dont get those rounded broader leaves lower down....the droopinh top leaves look similar...though some of the plants from mine are almost gold type leaves....bit more stretch and spCing between the nodes on mine....and mine tend to have completly redy/,purpley/brown stems....its quite a sight to see were the leaves are golden and the stems all red brown....but that drooping leaf look has come out simlar to what i have.....do you get any scent on those please.....mine from early veg...males included are very very stong liver leather with so.e that havs a metalic mango hints to them.

 

[Nexus7]

Yes it's a @@hempy creation!

Deliverance: A female heirloom thai ibl crossed to a '69 Haze male

I'm getting more on the spice / wood side of terps with these.

 

[@hempy]

Yup - that's the feeling I got from several Thai cannabis shop owners/workers - but to me it's understandable since all of the owners and workers I talked to were at least 20 years younger than me - and so had probably not ever sampled some of the great Thai 'erb - Thai Stick and Buddha Sticks - I had access to 40 or more years ago - due to heavy government crack-downs on Thai cannabis farms over the past 40 years - so creating the circumstances whereby mainly commercial low quality imported brick weed from Cambodia and Laos was available when these owners/workers were starting to get interested in cannabis - so this new influx of foreign bred hybrids - makes them act like kids in a candy store - hooked on the foreign bred varieties - since perhaps they had never tasted really good Thai 'erb - from their own country - as I had done 4/5 years before I even first visited Thailand - in 1983 - back in 79' - in the USA -

I was reading recently that a well known person selling seed from in Thailand does not even smoke and that's okay, but how would they know what a good Thai or a bad Thai was, they wouldn't.

I know 100% there was still excellent Thai in Thailand in 86 as a close friend travelled there monthly.

Most are in this to make money, and commercial growers, if given the choice of a 55 flower window or a 120 or 140 day flower window, they pick the fast strains every time.

You saw it first hand what was it now 20 years ago in Jamaica where most grew NL and SK.

 

[@hempy]

Deliverance: A female heirloom thai ibl crossed to a '69 Haze male

Thai x Nevils Haze F2 male the NH was made with the 69 males.

Had to correct that mate as the purists will be reading a response, lol.

 

[Limeygreen]

Hello nexus, is that actualy the 78Thia x nhf2 hempy has done please......looks not to far off what ive managed to get....though i dont get those rounded broader leaves lower down....the droopinh top leaves look similar...though some of the plants from mine are almost gold type leaves....bit more stretch and spCing between the nodes on mine....and mine tend to have completly redy/,purpley/brown stems....its quite a sight to see were the leaves are golden and the stems all red brown....but that drooping leaf look has come out simlar to what i have.....do you get any scent on those please.....mine from early veg...males included are very very stong liver leather with so.e that havs a metalic mango hints to them.

Excellent aromas it sounds like, any teak smells in there?

 

[Nexus7]

Deliverance Outdoor/ Indoor

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I just started some Isan Thai x Tom Hill Haze seeds. Really hoping for something special.

 

[Wolverine97]

Thai cannabis back in the day was coincided some of if not the best Cannabis on the planet and as most of the cannabis commerce and shops are geared up towards tourist I am honestly shocked that no ones focused on producing the old Thai sticks as they would sell like hot cakes.

They would need to live up to the quality of the past otherwise people would just buy cookies and that seems to be what is happening.

I'm not so sure that it would sell all that well. You have to remember that most "average" consumers are incredibly ignorant about cannabis in general. This phenomenon seems to be growing evermore with social media rotting everyone's brain, and promoting the new "shiny" thing.

I wish things weren't this way, but here we are.

 

[nepalnt21]

@Wolverine97

unfortunately, i agree.

people see thin and whispy buds and think something went wrong.

still, there does seem to be a resurgence in interest in the old sativa varieties everyone's uncle always went on about...

 

[Mtn. Nectar]

beautiful leaves on those TB….and Gypsy for spreading the kin…
ganj on…

 

[Raco]

I'm not so sure that it would sell all that well. You have to remember that most "average" consumers are incredibly ignorant about cannabis in general. This phenomenon seems to be growing evermore with social media rotting everyone's brain, and promoting the new "shiny" thing.

I wish things weren't this way, but here we are.

The glamour was lost....

 

[Mtn. Nectar]

fuc the dip shit masses that know no better…… more for us that been there smoked that…..
ganj on….

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I was reading recently that a well known person selling seed from in Thailand does not even smoke and that's okay, but how would they know what a good Thai or a bad Thai was, they wouldn't.

I know 100% there was still excellent Thai in Thailand in 86 as a close friend travelled there monthly.

Most are in this to make money, and commercial growers, if given the choice of a 55 flower window or a 120 or 140 day flower window, they pick the fast strains every time.

You saw it first hand what was it now 20 years ago in Jamaica where most grew NL and SK.

As much as we try and get ahold of some Thai genetics that reminds us of what was available 40 or so years ago in Thailand - serious Thai and other nations cannabis growers are very keen on growing the results of the last 40 years of Western cannabis breeding - and now legalisation comes along in Thailand - - and suddenly it's a gold rush businesswise - with anyone that has access to a grow space or land growing or considering growing cannabis indoor or out - to supply the multitude of retail outlets - or to found their own cannabis empire - controlling the growing/wholesale - and the retail - I've felt the excitement amongst Thai's in the business when discussing it - all with a positive future outlook -

 

[Wolverine97]

As much as we try and get ahold of some Thai genetics that reminds us of what was available 40 or so years ago in Thailand - serious Thai and other nations cannabis growers are very keen on growing the results of the last 40 years of Western cannabis breeding - and now legalisation comes along in Thailand - - and suddenly it's a gold rush businesswise - with anyone that has access to a grow space or land growing or considering growing cannabis indoor or out - to supply the multitude of retail outlets - or to found their own cannabis empire - controlling the growing/wholesale - and the retail - I've felt the excitement amongst Thai's in the business when discussing it - all with a positive future outlook -
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To me it's all just more of the same. As the world "progresses", culture after culture bend to the whims of uber capitalistic markets. I think it's all short term gain, at the expense of future everything. We are losing so much perspective on life in general, not just the weed scene, everything is now designed to extract the maximum amount of money from every possible source, at every possible point. I hate it more than I could ever express with words. I won't get into the shortening of the average attention span. We are all forgetting how to live. Most of us now live to work, and keep that treadmill turning to keep a roof over our heads to the point where we can't even pay attention to the slow decay of society in general. We should be working in order to live, but it all feels the opposite to me. And I'm in a reasonably comfortable position, by no means wealthy, but nor am I poor.

I can only imagine what it's like day to day for those who are stuck at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder.