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Thai vs Thai and neighbours, test comparison grow

funkyhorse

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Its cool when we can agree and when we can agree to disagree respectfully

Like in an icecream shop where there is place for many different antagonizing tastes, I think there is a place for everything in the canna world, but the canna world doesnt think so.
Most of the Pure landrace sativas have been destroyed
Man, I would have loved to try the pure Lazarat original 91 sativa from the greek sailors
Is it preserved or alive in some form??
I cant believe so much hype has been preserved and the real things are all gone
I am sure there is a market for unhybridized pure landrace old school sativas, I simply cant believe the lack of goods in the market

It is so interesting, Lazarat story seems very similar to Poligono da Maconha in Sertao region
At the beginning it seems it was a very good strong sativa to become totally hybridized in favour of fast weed
I didnt try this weed either, I would love to try it one day but it seems all gone

These are the teachers
I never ate beetroot in my life, I am growing it now and eating it so I am getting richer
Beetroot at the bottom greenhouse
Beetroot bottom greenhouse.jpeg

Beetroot planted same day at the upper gh. Black beauty is flowering at both levels gh and I am growing some kale too, never grew it before
Beetroot and black Beauty Upper greenhouse.jpeg

but at the lower gh you can see Black beauty is shorter and outdoors it makes smaller leaves and I like it better, it seems to stand the winter outdoors and they are all starting to flower
Black Beauty bottom GH.jpeg

I checked yesterday temperatures. Maximum temperature at the bottom gh is 20C now and for a few hours. At the upper one the maximum is 26-27C and lasts longer time. At 3 pm the difference was 26C upper gh against 17.5C bottom gh

So yesterday I chopped 2 cuts of N Thai girl 1
One cut kept at the lower gh until mid may and finnished at the upper gh vs the other cut grown full in the upper gh
N Thai 1 bottom gh cut
N Thai 1 bottom greenhouse (7).jpeg
N Thai 1 bottom greenhouse (8).jpeg
N Thai 1 bottom greenhouse (9).jpeg

Side by side top shots N Thai 1 right bottom gh and left top gh
N Thai 1 top shot right bottom greenhouse left Upper greenhouse top shot.jpeg

This is buds from N Thai 1 upper gh cut
They all smell the same and same feeling to the touch, only difference is bud size, upper gh is really very nice big fat buds
N Thai 1 Upper greenhouse (1).jpeg
N Thai 1 Upper greenhouse (2).jpeg
 

funkyhorse

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This is the last of the P2 harvested yesterday. Was pollinized with the sexually firm N thai male 2
Looking forwards to try it, all of the progeny from the girl 1 smells similar and make same chunky buds as mom with crazy long colas

Looking forwards to try this stock after 2-3 months cure
N Thai 1 P2 vegbox 2.jpeg
N Thai 1 P2 vegbox 2 (2).jpeg
N Thai 1 P2 vegbox 2 (3).jpeg
N Thai 1 P2 vegbox 2 (4).jpeg
N Thai 1 P2 vegbox 2 lowest bud.jpeg
 

funkyhorse

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These are the last 2 cuts of Northern Thai 2008 girl 1
Were kept at the lower GH until midmay and finnished at the upper one
Productivity is half of the plants grown fully at the upper Gh
All buds look and smell the same
N Thai 1 (1).jpeg
N Thai 1 (2).jpeg
N Thai 1 (3).jpeg
N Thai 1 (4).jpeg
N Thai 1 (5).jpeg
N Thai 1 (6).jpeg
N Thai 1 (7).jpeg
N Thai 1 (8).jpeg
N Thai 1 (11).jpeg
N Thai 1 (10).jpeg
 

funkyhorse

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This is the longest flowering plant of the season
Mauritius x Ethiopian girl 1
She started flowering beggining march and will probably finnish in one more month or so making it total flowering time almost 6 months
So far she is making it without rot and she is getting purple
Maybe 50 grams total productivity for a more than 3 meter tall plant making it a collector's item like Seedsman Haze, this is not for any commercial project as all of the pure sativas bred under artificial lights I grew so far
Too long flowering, needs a lot of care and little productivity. This is worth only if the high is trippy like 20th century weed. From early test after one month cure, the early green sister has no high. I hope it starts hitting in one or two more months of curing time
In front of her is N Thai girl 3 left for winter survival, I wonder if she will make it
M x E 1 (6).jpeg

From this angle you can see N Thai 4 left for survival. I never succeeded to get the plants to survive winter at the lower GH. I am checking what happens in this GH. So far only N Thai 5 is gone, the rest are still alive. Same with the 3 healthiest Ace Thai girls and they all stay green hanging very well against bug attacks
M x E 1 (5).jpeg

M x E 1 getting purple and maturing very slowly. Hanging very well on temperature range from 5C to 25C
M x E 1 (1).jpeg

This is the last of N Thai. I forgot about these 2 small cuts of N Thai girl 8
She smells, feels, produces and has all the same problems here as NH21 x MM from Bushweed I grew last year, the difference is 2 months flowering time. NH21xMM finnished mid may and this is finnishing mid july
I hope the high of N Thai girl 8 is much better than what I got from NH21 x MM which was very dissapointing as bud. Maybe as rosin or hash NH21xMM would have been a lot better
This one is not productive like the rest of the sisters, totally different profile
I will make these last two cuts brick to see and compare with the buds
N Thai 8 (15).jpeg
N Thai 8 (18).jpeg
N Thai 8 (19).jpeg
N Thai 8 (20).jpeg
N Thai 8 (21).jpeg
 

Knop

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Which Thai was used in Tom Hill Haze?
It is often said that the best genotype of Tom Hill Haze is Thai, but which Thai was used in Tom Hill Haze?
Does anyone know? origin, region
Last days of march and second stage of sexing is beginning
From first stage I have
Northern Thailand P1 cuts: 5 girls, 1 boy, one intersex variegated boy and one still unsexed
Northern Thai P2 made with the intersex variegated boy: 11 plants showed first pistils, 2 unsexed and this one showing first pistils just appeared male eggs and got culled. I regretted it later, I should have sent it to the pollen room. Next ones I will move and not cull. Very impressive hollow stem, almost like bamboo. The most hollow of all plants since I am looking at this trait
This is Northern Thai girl 5 x Northern Thai boy 1, I expect more coming
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I hope Northern Thai boy 2 which seems firm sexually so far will bring more sexual diversity in the progeny
From Mong Hsat I have 1 girl and 2 boys
Thai Ace: 8 girls 5 boys 2 unsexed 1 girl turned boy and one boy making pistils and seed and this is just the beginning. According to Thaidelica, I expect 50% hermaphroditism in this line. I dont mind the intersex, I do mind the price of these seeds. For this kind of genetics, prices are outrageously expensive. You need at least 2 years in order to grow enough plants to see if this is worth it or not.

@herbgreen This Thai Ace stock has nothing to do with THH
Cant compare vigour of the thais both Northern Thai 2008 or Thai Ace with THH, cant compare sexual stability of the thai landraces with THH at all.
About high I dont know yet this is just first stage of sexing, now second stage is seeing which ones will remain sexually firm till the end of the grow
THH is probably the best indoor weed you can grow if you can control humidity but outdoors here it inexorably rots, and the hybrids it makes rot as well. After growing many strains carrying the tag "thai", I am only interested in the landraces that breed true.
I am not interested in polyhybrid contaminated landraces as I have seen carrying the thai tag, the high is not as good and have a lot of munchies
This lucky Thai Haze keeper made with Ohz and Northern Thai 08 hermie dont rot in humid environment.
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Too much hatred. Too much egotrip
If you have a good grow it is always the breeder's skill and if you have a bad grow it is always the grower's fault and never the degraded garbage breeders sell
When people are happy if your grow is not succesful this means a symptom of decadence, people smoking bad quality weed. With happy uplifting weed in real life it was never like this shitshow going on

I expect this grow to contain the best quality weed I can source commercially. If anything decent is kept today, it is not available. And after seeing all this bullshit egotrip show, you dont want to grow someone else's seed because there are stupid emotional attachments to it I dont need. I just need the true breeding pure races and you can keep all the hype, egotrip and your attached emotions you guys breed into your seeds to yourselves

No wonder cannabis sativa has gone to shit
seed prices today are according to the level of the ego of the breeder
I bought a collection of seeds in 2019, many strains, mainly indica hashplants they call "sativas"
Today I could sell this same collection at x3 or x4 prices
Something is really flawed in all the canna business, numbers are clear bullshit
wtf@making x 4 profit in less than 4 years on a collection never intended to be an investment? This is a balloon and it will burst on everybody's face
 

Mimpi Manis

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If it has thai added by Sam it's more than likely sakon nakhon thai, probably golden thai from there , the north east along the Mekong, IMHO the best thai of all...
The best Thai I ever had was light green/golden. Crunchy and resinous to break up. I remember some mates getting hold of some stacked 20 bunches of what was quite a dark version of sticks in Perth mid 70's. They came with a red/gold sticker. They were very inexpertly constructed sticks. Some were bloody huge. But they weren't a patch on those glorious golden originals. So Wally's take makes sense to me.

I got to taste SE bud out of Toba, Singapore, Java, Bali and Penang (Aceh supposedly) from early to late 70's. Singapore and Penang samples were the most consistently Thai standard quality. IMHO. I guess we thought these stellar strains would always be around? Talk about a fools paradise.
 

Knop

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Does anyone know this site?
 

funkyhorse

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Does anyone know this site?
About THH Wally answered. I liked very much the ¨if¨ in his answer
I think they refer to the type of high when they mention thai and colombian because what they explain it has nothing to do with what I smoked in South America in the 80s as colombian and what I smoked in Thailand as thai. They use the reference to thai and colombian to try to explain a certain type of high and I think is incorrect
Weed had character in the 20th century. This means every batch of weed hits you differently. So making a prototype out of a country I dont think is right. You find both highs in the 20th century weed of both countries

TLT have a thread, have a look at it before contacting them, many controversial opinions this seedbank have, there are more threads about them

TLT current prices are super expensive
I tried from them Mangobiche, Llanera and Idukki I got at a danish seedbank.
All of the 3 strains a disaster, I dont think these guys know what a sativa is. They seem to be seed merchants charging 10/15u$s a regular seed of unproven genetics.
Whatever you get from them is a lottery. A strain called North Vietnam from them had good reports

The golden string Foitong looks interesting but then again, price is fair but this is 2024, not the 70s nor 80s
Weed got erradicated from Thailand until recently when it was legalized
It is not going to be the weed of the 70s for sure.
In order to find the weed of the 70s or 80s what you need is a time travel machine or somebody pulling old seed from his fridge
There was a war on drugs in Thailand, many people died. I was living in Thailand during that time and things were very different from what is reported happening today

 

Knop

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About THH Wally answered. I liked very much the ¨if¨ in his answer
I think they refer to the type of high when they mention thai and colombian because what they explain it has nothing to do with what I smoked in South America in the 80s as colombian and what I smoked in Thailand as thai. They use the reference to thai and colombian to try to explain a certain type of high and I think is incorrect
Weed had character in the 20th century. This means every batch of weed hits you differently. So making a prototype out of a country I dont think is right. You find both highs in the 20th century weed of both countries

TLT have a thread, have a look at it before contacting them, many controversial opinions this seedbank have, there are more threads about them

TLT current prices are super expensive
I tried from them Mangobiche, Llanera and Idukki I got at a danish seedbank.
All of the 3 strains a disaster, I dont think these guys know what a sativa is. They seem to be seed merchants charging 10/15u$s a regular seed of unproven genetics.
Whatever you get from them is a lottery. A strain called North Vietnam from them had good reports

The golden string Foitong looks interesting but then again, price is fair but this is 2024, not the 70s nor 80s
Weed got erradicated from Thailand until recently when it was legalized
It is not going to be the weed of the 70s for sure.
In order to find the weed of the 70s or 80s what you need is a time travel machine or somebody pulling old seed from his fridge
There was a war on drugs in Thailand, many people died. I was living in Thailand during that time and things were very different from what is reported happening today

thanks for letting me know about tlt
i just ordered a golden string from prempavee
i'll be opening a journal soon
 

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