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Terra Preta - Dark Soil - Experiment

MrFista

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Time For a Scribble.

Time For a Scribble.

From notes I wrote while listening to Dr Johannes Lehmann.

Biochar - or black carbon, has now been found all over the world. This is due to it's natural occurence via fire. however, the char differs from site to site and is nowhere found in such concentrated quantities as in the amazon basin.

Char sites globally range in age from 500 - 8000 years before present (BP). Char WILL decay. The rate of decay seems to be largely determined by the portion of labile carbon in the soil. (labile = turns over rapidly, not stable, typically new organic amendments).

That being said, char in an organic garden looks likely to have several centuries of life. The mean residence time of char, taking into account both terra preta and fire deposits, is estimated to be 2000 years.

Pyrolisation, thermal degredation, heating in the absense of oxygen. These are one and the same thing.

Cellulose, lignin and sugars become aromatic carbons during the process of pyrolisation. The original material still resembles what went in, but chemically, it is profoundly changed.

Char fresh from pyrolisation has a very low CEC around 20 mmol. But, once it has been exposed to microbes oxygen and soil the CEC has been recorded as high as 2000 mmol. Char should be amended with compost ASAP before being used in the garden.

Pyrolisation temperatures affect the pH of your char. The best temperature is 350 C. Above this causes basicity and below acidity. 350 will give you char in the pH 5.5 - 6.5 range right where you want it.

Starting with 100% biomass, you will lose approx 75% mass during pyrolisation, and then half the remaining mass will be biochar (the other half gases, so second burn them!).

Soil saturation of char is very high, with no diminshing returns recorded in up to 30% char content soils. Beginning with 5% content, char plays significant roles in soil in several areas.

Increased crops - if your soil is perfect this aint gonna happen, for most soils, char will improve yield significantly.

Increased nutrient retention. Char soaks up nutrients as well as housing microbes.

Lowered GHGases. 73% reduction in N2O, not to mention all the carbon sequestered.

Lowered nutrient runoff, with increased retention comes decreased runoff, win win for the grower and the environment.

Char is indeed inhabited by microbes and fungi grow into it, but it does not neccesarily increase microbial diversity (I'd argue this point but got too much on). It is said it does increase microbial specialisation. Sure could do with clarification on that loaded little statement.

Hope that answers a few unanswered questions.
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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Nice info Fista!

Is there such a thing as perfect soil? Surely it needs the addition of carbon to get it to this state? I would imagine most soils contain some char from cooking fires/forest fires etc that found there way in.

So biochar can have a ph that is too strong... that is indeed interesting and noteworthy. What might be the best way to determine the ph? Soaking in some ph neutral water overnight and testing with ph meter?

2000 years of soil health for 5% addition of good char. Sounds great :D

Happy gardening!
 

MrFista

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Perfect soil, doubtless somewhere perfect conditions are being met - for a specific plant type in that specific weather.... Bad wording.

A good performing soil will show negligable gains from char. A poor soil should show a dramatic result.

Char pH out of whack is a problem. It can take a couple of years for it to come right. It is to do with the functional groups that form at the interface of the char during pyrolisation.

One day I hope I can share that chemistry with y'all. For now I can't even find it published.

The ability to adjust pH with temp of pyrolisation was plain lucky, but it is so. I have wondered at pH determination myself. I used a soil test with barium sulfate and some reagent for a colour change. I imagine using neutral water and pH drops would work but how accurate I can't say.

What is interesting is that the original acidity/basicity of char will change over time to favour plant conditions. Basic chars go down, acidic chars go up. But as it can take a couple of years, we are far better off getting the pyrolisation right.

With a barrel burn, it should be possible to regulate air intake and subsequently temperature. Of course you'll need a device for measuring the temp from outside of the barrel. Science geeks - what is the device I'm talking about?
 

pseudopod

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What's the method for pulverizing store-bought char?

Living in the high desert where the mere word "wildfire" makes people draw poopoglyphs in their boxers, I'm not keen to burning anything in my yard, on the same property where my cannabis garden grows.

I like to use a 5 gallon bucket and a 4"x4" myself.
 
Hey guys so i just found some local lump charcoal 100% from hardwood no chemicals or fillers. This is good to use i assume? I should crush it up and then add it to my mix. How much do you think i should add to about a 10 gallon mix of soil. My soil has been cooking for about 1 week now, would it be best to just throw it in ? Or should i soak it in some liquid karma or some ACT ?
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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Hmm ph is very tricky... another reason to go easy and use your char sparingly at first. The method of making char, adding to your compost pile or tea if in a hurry should help stablise the ph methinks :chin:

I have used the char as a drainage layer on the bottom of pots instead of perlite. Its nice and light and very inexpensive... but a too high or low ph might screw with this... after lots of reading about wicks and drainage i have found this layer is basically redundant anyway in a free draining medium that contains coco.

Anyhoos... i would recommend your method of innoculation Fista leaving the char to stew with liquid ferts, teas, urine and lacto b or a good mixing in compost heap.

I have found the best way to use my char indoors is mixed in LC's soiless #1 recipe but slightly amended to my liking. This works for me in small pots then plants get transplanted to hempy buckets with perlite in bottom..

5 parts coco
3 parts perlite
2 parts compost with the char/ recycled last grows mix with the charcoal mixed in

This way i am reusing my old mixes and getting the benefit of innoculated biochar and all the microgoodies. There isnt much of a % of actual char but there doesnt need to be. i have also read that too much carbon with coco can screw with the cation exchange...

Anyway i have very healthy and fast growing plants with nice furry white roots using this recipe :yes:

Perfect for using organic nutes in a passive hydro system!

Outdoors in organic soil i am much more liberal in its use and its much easier to just chuck lots of good stuff and let mother nature sort it out. :ying:

If i knew i had perfect ph i would love to use the char as bottom layer in the hempy setup.

I think a oven thermometer, the kind used in wood-fired ovens would work very well to gauge the temp. Could easily be stuck through an oil barrel and use some kind of car exhaust sealant etc to cement it in place...

:smoweed:
 
bump for advice!

So anyone know if my 100% hardwood lump charcoal from the hardware store is perfectly fine to use ? And what is the best amount to add? I have heard anything from 5 - 30% ! thats quite a bit it seems.

I dont have compost or a composter that i can " cure " this stuff in first, would it still be ok to just add straight to my organic mix? Its pretty much LC#1 with dry ferts added in. ( modified his recipe ) I have another thread if anyone wants to see the exact recipe. its in this forum.
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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Hey stealth you defo need to soak your char before use! I have made the mistake of using it straight up and its not good. It needs soaked to load up on Nitrogen otherwise it will leach it from your medium and plants.

An overnight soak with some tea and urine plus whatever other goodies you have in liquid form. Think of the char as a sponge and breeding ground for the microgoodies... long term.

Then use char sparingly at first so you dont mess with the near perfection of LC's #1 and the cec of coco.

Once you have this dialed in you can up the dosage.
 

jaykush

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if you add it to your mix, you need to let that soil sit and rest for a few weeks to a month or more for best results. as silversurfer said it will "suck" nitrogen to balance the carbon and nitrogen in the soil. but will eventually give it back.
 
hmmm sounds like i shouldnt use it for this mix i am currently runnign then. I am plannign on transplanting into it in about 6 days, and thats not really optional, they were supposed to be transplanted 2 weeks ago but i miscaculated how much i would need..

I guess ill probably do it for the next run? I have a ton of stuff i can put in. Any good recipes for stuff to soak the char in ? I have tons of meals, ewc, liquid karma, liquid kelp, all that good stuff.
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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Try the recipe i used on 1st page. Worked for me i just used too much for more delicate seedlings.

If you are transplanting a small dose wont hurt.

However as jaykush states its always better to let the mix 'cook'.

Mr Fista has a very nice recipe to soak the char in. Its a few pages back or so.

Good luck!
 
Try the recipe i used on 1st page. Worked for me i just used too much for more delicate seedlings.

If you are transplanting a small dose wont hurt.

However as jaykush states its always better to let the mix 'cook'.

Mr Fista has a very nice recipe to soak the char in. Its a few pages back or so.

Good luck!


Hey I really appreciate the tips, I dont have a couple of the things u use tho. Specifically teh fish emulsion and the azomite. I am wondering if there is anything that I can make with my list of stuff.

EWC, Bone meal, blood meal, kelp meal, alfafa meal, greensand, langbenite, rock phosphate, glacial rock dust, magnesium sulphate, liquid karma, pbp grow, pbp bloom, cal mag +...

I'm raelly new at this and its only my second run so i am worried about using too much or overdoing it. Any tips on what kind of tea i can make with what i have ?
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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My advice would be to keep it simple. First do some research on the NPK of your nutrients. The fish emulsion is source of nitrogen which can easily be replaced with urine. The alfafa meal is also excellent source of N.

Aim for a balanced mix of NPK with an emphasis on N.

Have you made tea before? I would make a simple tea with a stocking full of ewc, kelp meal, alfafa meal with a tsp of each rock dust. Hang this in your bucket.

Add a drop of your liquid karma and a spoon of molasses then add good few handfulls of ground char and bubble away... keep in a warm place, pee in it a few times and after 24 hours you should be good to go.

Mix a small amount of the char with your medium and feed as normal with dilute tea.

I like the urine in tea as it gets rid of smell, especially with the char.

If you go easy on the amount of char you really cant go wrong. Such is the beauty of organics!

Just make sure you use good quality char (no additives) and clean water with no chlorine :yes:

Add the remains of stocking to compost heap and also the rest of your raw char.

Either that or mix up a fresh batch of LC's #1 with raw char and 'feed' with a good dose of ferts and some of your goodies mixed in. Allow this to 'cook' for a month or so.

All the answers you need are in this forum.

Happy gardening!

:smoweed:
 
yea i made some teas before. I tihnki might have messed up tho. I made my first tea a few days ago. I forgot to dilute it before i fed my plants too! Hahahai hope i didnt over kil them. That tea was weak tho, it was 5 gallons water, 5 tbs molasses and a cup or two of EWC
bubbled for 24 hours.

I think what im gonna do is make the simple tea above you mentioned then put some char in my organic mix and wet it with the dilute tea and let that cook for a motnh.
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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That will work.

Your mentioned tea would not harm your plants. They would have loved it :D

Just remember if you need to charge your char use lots of N and you will be fine. By leaving it for weeks it allows the ph to stabilise and the stronger elements to mellow. It will hold onto all it can then start releasing it so you cant overdo it this way...

Hope this helps :rasta:
 
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vonforne

yea i made some teas before. I tihnki might have messed up tho. I made my first tea a few days ago. I forgot to dilute it before i fed my plants too! Hahahai hope i didnt over kil them. That tea was weak tho, it was 5 gallons water, 5 tbs molasses and a cup or two of EWC
bubbled for 24 hours.

I think what im gonna do is make the simple tea above you mentioned then put some char in my organic mix and wet it with the dilute tea and let that cook for a motnh.

Cut your Molasses to ^1 TSP and you will be fine. You cannot over do EWC. Your plants will show a marked improvement from that tea.

V
 

s13sr20det

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im going to be giving this a go in one of my raised beds that has been cleared out

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