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Tea Article

Microbeman

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Originally Posted by moses wellfleet
i have been feeding ct only for a couple months now with great results... i recently measured the co2 content in my room and it is often as high as 600ppm is it possible that the increased microbial activity is responsible for the co2?... i have not enriched the air with co2 from any other source so it is the only possible explanation!

I did have a lady tell me that her CO2 monitor in her house kept going off when she brewed the tea near the monitor in her basement. I don't have any proof that's what was going on, but it makes some sense....

This is really interesting. When brewing ACT and raising the dissolved O2 in the water CO2 must be expelled for this to take place (often overlooked in brewer designs). I wonder if this is the reason for this effect.
 

mad librettist

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Mad; At what point in your brews are you seeing 3 to 4+ flagellates in every 20X field of view?

can you post an example picture for reference or tell me exactly which combo of lenses gets me 20x? I am usually not looking for 3-4 flagellates, but rather trying to get it to look like the brews on your page, which are crowded. I also though I was looking at more like 160x? if I have the 16x eyepiece and 10x objective, it does not make 160?

are you saying I can stop brewing when things are still looking kinda sparse?


btw, this latest run I have not had cause to brew tea or make slurry.
 

Microbeman

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can you post an example picture for reference or tell me exactly which combo of lenses gets me 20x? I am usually not looking for 3-4 flagellates, but rather trying to get it to look like the brews on your page, which are crowded. I also though I was looking at more like 160x? if I have the 16x eyepiece and 10x objective, it does not make 160?

are you saying I can stop brewing when things are still looking kinda sparse?


btw, this latest run I have not had cause to brew tea or make slurry.

I mean with the 20X objective turned in and 10X eyepiece = 200X You do not need to have as many flagellates as in a lot of my videos. Once you have lots of bacteria/archaea (1,000 to 10,000 per 20X FOV) and anywhere from 2 to 20 flagellates (or more; depending on your bacterial/a count) you are good to go for nutrient cycling. A 2 flagellates per 20X field of view (FOV) equates to 13,000+ flagellates per ml (or gram) in an SFI test. They call this high but they also equate this to a lower bacterial count (eg. 500/20X FOV) I usually like a denser populated ACT.
 
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This is really interesting. When brewing ACT and raising the dissolved O2 in the water CO2 must be expelled for this to take place (often overlooked in brewer designs). I wonder if this is the reason for this effect.

It's logical. I mean you're reproducing microbes that expel CO2 when they respirate.
 

Bullfrog44

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Wouldn't that just be the icing on the cake? ACT also raises CO2 levels? I think I love ACT, my wife will be pissed.:)
 
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elmanito

Question: why to go light on kelp, i understand about molasses, but why kelp too???

Namaste :plant grow: :canabis:
 
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CT Guy

Question: why to go light on kelp, i understand about molasses, but why kelp too???

Namaste :plant grow: :canabis:

With any food source, if you over feed the organisms you'll end up lowering dissolved oxygen levels as the microbes reproduce too quickly. They have also done studies with kelp that show in above optimal concentrations, you get decreased plant growth and germination. (See TL Senn's book, "Seaweed and Plant Growth" for these studies).
 
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elmanito

With any food source, if you over feed the organisms you'll end up lowering dissolved oxygen levels as the microbes reproduce too quickly. They have also done studies with kelp that show in above optimal concentrations, you get decreased plant growth and germination. (See TL Senn's book, "Seaweed and Plant Growth" for these studies).

Thanks for the info, but is this recipe in your eyes a good example?

Make compost tea: 4 cup compost, 1 cup liquid fish and kelp, 1 tbsp molasses, two gallons water.

Namaste :plant grow: :canabis:
 

heady blunts

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that does not strike me like a good recipe. way too much compost, way too much fish, not enough molasses.

those of us without microscopes have the best luck sticking with the tried and true recipes of the folks that DO have microscopes.

from microbeorganics.com:

1 gallon = 16 cups = 256 tablespoons

2.38% by volume compost or vermicompost (EWC) per gallon = .38 cups or around half a cup max or about 2 cups in 5 gallons max.

0.5 to 0.75% molasses by volume per gallon = 1.28 to 1.92 tablespoons per gallon. 0.75% is the maximum I use. It is a good bacterial and fungal food.

0.063% fish hydrolysate by volume per gallon = 0.16 tablespoon = 0.479 teaspoons or half a teaspoon

0.25% (max) kelpmeal by volume per gallon = 0.64 tablespoon or half a tablespoon

a pinch of rock dust won't hurt either. i use a 1/4 teaspoon in my 4 gallon brews.
 
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elmanito

Why would you add salt to something alive?

Unrefined sea salt contains 84 minerals & trace elements.

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http://www.seaagri.com/docs/farm_and_garden.pdf

http://www.terragenics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65&Itemid=86

Namaste :plant grow: :canabis:
 
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elmanito

Yea, it's salt. Sodium Chloride is 98-99% of it.

Celtic sea salt has 84% NaCl and even sea salt from Okinawa Japan has 73% NaCl, but the rest are minerals and trace elements.

We shall check it out!!

Namaste :plant grow: :canabis:
 

Scrappy4

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I picked up some powdered spirulina to play with yesterday. Has anyone tried it in teas? Or soil/foliar that that matter....scrappy
 

growbig789

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I am working my way through the thread but haven't made it all the way through yet, sorry if this is a repeat question..

Is it ok to foliar the ACT during flowering or am I better off to stick to the root drench. I am about 1 month into flowering (outdoors) and if it wasn't detrimental to the flowers I think a foliar ACT application would be beneficial. Working on my first ACT with homemade vermicompost right now.

Any suggestions I would appreciate, thanks
 

Bullfrog44

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I know the general consensus is to go ahead and spray. However, I found that once the buds started to get fat, the spray is not as ideal. I find that the compost tea makes brown spots on the buds that seem like a nice place for mold to start. I cut my spray out about 2 weeks ago outdoors and just root drenched my teas from then on. Up until this time the spray worked fantastic. I actually just poured my tea strait on my plants when watering in veg, they seemed to like that.
 

mad librettist

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there are particles in tea that you don't want in your buds any more than you would want sand splashing into your lettuce when it rains. I mulch greens heavily to avoid sandy spinach syndrome. Same with buds that are not going to get washed out between now and harvest.
 
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