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Tariff Fever

@peace

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When I was in business school we discussed policy ideas around tax. One that came up was the idea that business elites wanted to move to a consumption based tax (sales tax) vs an income tax. That way the people that consumed products would pay for government budgets vs taxing peoples income. The idea was that it is supposed to cause economic growth, but in reality it was acknowledged that it would effect middle and lower class people negatively as consumption makes up a bigger portion of their income.

Trump is branding his tariffs on Canada as a way to secure the border from fentanyl and migration. Based on last years seizure data there was 43lbs of fentanyl seized at the Canada US border. Based on his commentary around tariffs being good for generating tax revenues, it seems likely that he is using the tariffs to fund the tax cuts for businesses. That way either tax revenue is generated from tariffs, or domestic options for imported goods pop up, which in theory indicates an increase in jobs in America, and ultimately a different source of tax revenue. In either case a win win for his administration and the people close to them, even if the average American consumer is the one ultimately paying the cost of the tariff through higher prices.

Another possibility is that his tariffs are actually the first step in the economic warfare that he mentioned to try absorbing Canada as a 51st state.

A final possibility that I see is that he is using Canada and Mexico to set an example to the world. I.e. "if we are willing to do this to some of our biggest trading partners and allies, imagine what we will do to you" type of messaging.

I am not really sure what his intent is but it sure seems like the vast majority of Americans and people of either side of their border are in for some real economic pain, without a clear benefit to his voter base, even if it is just a negotiation tactic. This move has immediately made the US a less reliable trading partner throughout the world, and that will have impacts for Americans for generations to come.

Please discuss why you think the tariffs are in place or how you think they will play out.
 

Travis Kelcee

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Here are just some historic tariffs Canada hits America with.

Milk: 270%
Cheese: 245%
Butter: 298%
Chicken: 238%
Sausages: 69.9%
Barley seed: 57.8%
Bovine/meat: 26.5%
Cars: 25%
HVAC: 45%
Vacuums: 35%
Cable boxes: 35%
TVs: 45%
Steel: 25%
Aluminum: 45%
Copper: 48%

Take a guess how much financial aide the U.S. sends Canada EVERY YEAR and how much military defense $$$$ we provide?


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Captain Red Eye

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For the USA to continue to be the lord of the world, at least for now, he needs the dollar to remain world dominant and not go full Zimbabwe.

Maintaining the dollar status could be in the mix for why he wants tariffs. Trump can try to use the tariffs to punish any countries trying to move away from the U.S. dollar (Federal reserve dollars). I don't know if it will work or not.
 

@peace

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Take a guess how much financial aide the U.S. sends Canada EVERY YEAR

It was 7.4M last year, mostly for environmental protection projects.

Here are just some historic tariffs Canada hits America with.

Milk: 270%
Cheese: 245%
Butter: 298%
Chicken: 238%

I also disagree with supply management. I think that we should buy our producers out and make them compete. The only thing that I like about supply management is that theoretically only the consumer of those products ends up paying the higher costs associated with turning away cheaper alternatives from places like the US. On the other hand the US also has tariffs on milk products from places like Canada. They also have subsidy programs where the government pays producers when prices drop below a certain level. They also have dairy product buyback programs where they buy products when prices are going too low and producers will lose money. This use of government money means that all taxpayers share the cost of keeping the industry afloat vs. most of the burden being just on the consumer of the products. Almost all developed countries prop up their agricultural sectors, supply management is just more obvious.

I don't know when the timeframes the other tariffs mentioned cover, are they prior to NAFTA?

Also I agree that Canada should fund a stronger military.

All of this could be accomplished through negotiation though, without the need for consumers to bear the burden
 

@peace

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For the USA to continue to be the lord of the world, at least for now, he needs the dollar to remain world dominant and not go full Zimbabwe.

Maintaining the dollar status could be in the mix for why he wants tariffs. Trump can try to use the tariffs to punish any countries trying to move away from the U.S. dollar (Federal reserve dollars). I don't know if it will work or not.
Is Canada trying to move away from using the USD? Or do you think he is trying to push Canada to drop the CAD and take on the USD?
 

Captain Red Eye

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Is Canada trying to move away from using the USD? Or do you think he is trying to push Canada to drop the CAD and take on the USD?

I don't know about Canada and it's intentions, or who, if anyone, they get their orders from. Trump would probably like everyone to continue to use dollars for international trade,

Brix might become more attractive to some countries and once things like that start kicking in, it could embolden more countries to bail on the dollar.

I'm not informed enough on this to do anything more than speculate at this point though.
 

@peace

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I don't know about Canada and it's intentions, or who, if anyone, they get their orders from. Trump would probably like everyone to continue to use dollars for international trade,

Brix might become more attractive to some countries and once things like that start kicking in, it could embolden more countries to bail on the dollar.

I'm not informed enough on this to do anything more than speculate at this point though.
Understood. I thought I might have been missing a rumour that was floating around. I really don't think Canada had any intention of not trading in USD but I get your opinion.
 

@peace

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Yes, that will teach Canada and similar countries how bad it is to be an ally of the US.

Trump tariff on Canada: 25%.

Trump tariff on China 10%.

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

Silver lining to the lower dollar is it makes exporting easier, importing is more expensive though. Guess we will finally have to start processing the raw resources that we normally ship so that we rely on imports less. Would also be nice to take a look at joining the EU, the idea is being floated around. Or for CANZUK to finally take place. We are likely to vote in a conservative government who is pro CANZUK. Either move would heavily reduce our dependence on the US. The EU is in desperate need of someone with resources given the whole Russia scenario.
 

@peace

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I know why you are laughing. There is honestly very little stopping him though. Here are his comments after his first call with Trudeau today:

“What I’d like to see— Canada become our 51st state,” Trump said in the Oval Office when asked what concessions Canada could offer to stave off tariffs.

“We don’t need them. As a state, it’s different. As a state it’s much different. And there are no tariffs,” Trump said. “So I’d love to see that. Some people say that would be a long shot. If people wanted to play the game right, it would be 100 percent certain that they’d become a state. But a lot of people don’t like to play the game. Because they don’t have a threshold of pain.”

After their second call today they agreed to hold the tariffs off for another 30 days.
 

Travis Kelcee

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The shit you didn't learn in Business school.....

Trump got what he wanted from Justin and Claudia


“I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl,” Trudeau wrote. “Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.”

“In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering,” he added. “I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.”

“Proposed tariffs will be paused for at least 30 days while we work together.”



“We had a good conversation with President Trump with great respect for our relationship and sovereignty; we reached a series of agreements:

1. Mexico will immediately reinforce the northern border with 10,000 members of the National Guard to prevent drug trafficking from Mexico to the United States, particularly fentanyl.

2. The United States is committed to working to prevent the trafficking of high-powered weapons to Mexico.

3. Our teams will begin working today on two fronts: security and trade. 4. They are pausing tariffs for one month from now.”
 

Travis Kelcee

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Making a strong effort to stem the flow of fentanyl really pisses off some of you folks, or so it would seem.

Or maybe you don't know shit and just run around spouting the hyperbole you hear in your echo chambers.
 

@peace

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Making a strong effort to stem the flow of fentanyl really pisses off some of you folks, or so it would seem.

Or maybe you don't know shit and just run around spouting the hyperbole you hear in your echo chambers.
Wow, you seem sensitive. Maybe you're just tired. Here's a lullaby to help you sleep:



Mock Trudeau as you see fit, I do not like him.

Also here is a link ( https://www.canada.ca/en/public-saf...rder-security-and-our-immigration-system.html ) to a statement by the Canadian Government on December 17, 2024 stating that they were investing $1.3B in the border. Trump got exactly what was already being proposed a month and a half ago. Our foreign affairs minister was pushing this, the border czar, and the interest in increasing law enforcement cooperation with Rubio last week. That's ok though, if you want to believe that papa Trump is keeping you safe then you do you champ.

Maybe that cuck Trump was still mad about Melania eye fucking Trudeau? Maybe we will never know.

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growshopfrank

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Veteran
The shit you didn't learn in Business school.....

Trump got what he wanted from Justin and Claudia


“I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl,” Trudeau wrote. “Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.”

“In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering,” he added. “I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.”

“Proposed tariffs will be paused for at least 30 days while we work together.”



“We had a good conversation with President Trump with great respect for our relationship and sovereignty; we reached a series of agreements:

1. Mexico will immediately reinforce the northern border with 10,000 members of the National Guard to prevent drug trafficking from Mexico to the United States, particularly fentanyl.

2. The United States is committed to working to prevent the trafficking of high-powered weapons to Mexico.

3. Our teams will begin working today on two fronts: security and trade. 4. They are pausing tariffs for one month from now.”
If you were paying attention those concessions that trudy spoke of were already slated during bidens term.
The little bitch didn't table anything new.
Winning.
 

armedoldhippy

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Veteran
Here's a lullaby to help you sleep:
the crowd booed the anthem, but applauded the young lady who sang it afterwards in recognition of her talent. Canadians- too nice to really be rude. :cool: a damn shame that more of us are not more like them. :D
 

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