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wickedpete66 said:
If you haven't used it by itself, you're probably throwing your money away on additives.
Taking it too the next level!!
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If you haven't used it by itself, you're probably throwing your money away on additives.
~fvk~
the Lion is going Guerrilla...
I don't know if any of you dudes knew this but a just about full cap of any GH Flora nute in quart size is about 8 1/2 milliliters. I'm sure if it was chock full to the brim it'd come pretty damn close to 9... Coincidence or are GH nutes just all around the shit?
Here is a working model of the Lucas formula in action. This is a Medical grow from seed. 
2-400w lights. 1-Hps and 1-Mh. This combo was used simply because they are what we have. I plan to upgrade to 2 Hps's after this round. Here is how the lights are hung.
I have each light exhausted by separate 4" vortex's. Again using fans we had. These exhaust the room as well. Temps are usually around 80-82. Humidity at 48-52% with this set up. I really wanna get these temps down. I'm working on it.
I am top feeding in coco, this time in a 2'x3' hydro tub. I modified it to have a 24 site drip manifold.( Thanx Pico for your tutorial.) This means I can do 24 in SOG style or 12 biggun's with 2 drips each
It's a little dirty, but you should get the point.
The strains this time are: BlueDiesel, Bubblefunk and MendoIndo. I am doing a Scrog style grow this time. Here are some pics of the scrog. I tuck the branches under the screen everytime I visit the room, and they pop right back up, here take a look.
Currently I am using R/O water mixed 2:1 with tap water. FloraNova Bloom at 6ml/gal and Floraliciuos + at 1ml/gal. Today I added Carboload at 1/2 strength and 1ml/gal Kool bloom cause it is their time for 12/12. This comes out to 1050 ppm on my Hanna. P.H at 5.8 rising to 6 after a couple days. The plants seem to really like this mix. Just look at this Bubblefunk leaf.
Healthy!
2-400w lights. 1-Hps and 1-Mh. This combo was used simply because they are what we have. I plan to upgrade to 2 Hps's after this round. Here is how the lights are hung.
I have each light exhausted by separate 4" vortex's. Again using fans we had. These exhaust the room as well. Temps are usually around 80-82. Humidity at 48-52% with this set up. I really wanna get these temps down. I'm working on it.
I am top feeding in coco, this time in a 2'x3' hydro tub. I modified it to have a 24 site drip manifold.( Thanx Pico for your tutorial.) This means I can do 24 in SOG style or 12 biggun's with 2 drips each
It's a little dirty, but you should get the point.
The strains this time are: BlueDiesel, Bubblefunk and MendoIndo.
I am doing a Scrog style grow this time. Here are some pics of the scrog. I tuck the branches under the screen everytime I visit the room, and they pop right back up, here take a look.
Currently I am using R/O water mixed 2:1 with tap water. FloraNova Bloom at 6ml/gal and Floraliciuos + at 1ml/gal. Today I added Carboload at 1/2 strength and 1ml/gal Kool bloom cause it is their time for 12/12. This comes out to 1050 ppm on my Hanna. P.H at 5.8 rising to 6 after a couple days. The plants seem to really like this mix. Just look at this Bubblefunk leaf.
Healthy!
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Aloha :joint Yes and no. Yes, I do use 6ml/gal during seedling stage. Yes I add Floralicious+ during veg. No, I am not adding during week's 1and 2.
A base formula of 6ml/gal will get you started. This current run I upped to 8ml/gal at peak veg. I dropped back to 6ml/gal at start of 12/12 because I added cal/mag+ and Kool bloom for the stretch.
A base formula of 6ml/gal will get you started. This current run I upped to 8ml/gal at peak veg. I dropped back to 6ml/gal at start of 12/12 because I added cal/mag+ and Kool bloom for the stretch.
spacecadet
Member
hey i tryed the lucas reapee on my chemx c-99 in her secound week of flower and it dam near kill it i cleaned out the rez and mix in 8 mill of flornova bllom and the next day she when limp and stop growing and she all so stop taking in water and i check there no root rot at all most of her leafs gave trued yellow and fell off i cleane dout the rez again and this time added plain tab which has a ppm of 50 she didn't use any water the next day so i check ppm again and it was up to 60 and the ph is falling the ph from unadjusted tab was 6.4 next day it like 5.2 so i left it like it was next day same thing no add back cause she not taking in any thing ppm was 70 ppm and ph was 4.5 not sure what the hell is going on she was doing great till i tried the lucas resapee i take it from her going limp it was a fert over does but it has perk up a lil since i added just plain tab water but hell it dam near harvest time for her and all i got is a few dime size buds. not saying the lucas reapee is bad but is it possible that for some plants this is way to much fert?
Aloha Spacecadet, I got some idea's to help you out. First of which is a cool link to a web browser that has a really cool spellchecker that help's us write a response or question that is written correctly. Here is the link to Mozilla Firefox browser.http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/.
Second thing that came to mind was pics will really help so we can get a visual on the problem. Also was thinking if you tell us a little history on veg conditions and what you were feeding till this tragedy occurred.
Spacecadet, I got some idea's to help you out. First of which is a cool link to a web browser that has a really cool spellchecker that help's us write a response or question that is written correctly. Here is the link to Mozilla Firefox browser.http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/.Second thing that came to mind was pics will really help so we can get a visual on the problem. Also was thinking if you tell us a little history on veg conditions and what you were feeding till this tragedy occurred.
C
CrystalsCrystal
lol all it takes is a phone call to general hydroponics.. a very nice sounding lady will tell u everything about growing in hydroponics with GH
Perpendicular
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JITAMON said:
Can you elaborate on this? What ratio are you referring to? (i.e. - P to Mg, P to K, etc.)
Lucas/Gr3atfulH3ad/Canna Coco @ 8ml/12ml/14ml
N-130 /97 /121 /180 /212
P-93 /60 /42 /63 /74
K-163 /105 /60 /90 /106
Mg-64 /41 /24 /36 /42
Canna @ 8ml/gal seems to be half the strength of Gr3atfulH3ad's formula except for the N content.
Wouldn't Canna Coco @ 6ml + 2ml PK 13/14 most resemble Gr3atfulH3ad's formula? (1g/gal Epsom salt brings the Mg to 44)
N - 90
P - 65
K - 115
Mg -18
When using Canna Coco alone, 12-14ml/gal appears the closest to Gr3atfulH3ad's formula, except the high (double) N content.
Any comments on the high N levels Canna uses in Coco? From my observations, it appears to make the plants stretch much more than Gr3atfulH3ad's formula.
Dee9
Member
Just a bump, but since I am here...
I had a subject called 'corn' at school. Yup. True.
Anyway, we were taught, that if you fertilize a plant with more N - the plant will make more leaves and less cobs. Good for cattle feed, but not corn production.
Since we want less leaves and more 'cobs' I think it might be beneficial to feed with a low ratio N fertilizer.
Any thoughts?
Perpendicular said:
I had a subject called 'corn' at school. Yup. True.
Anyway, we were taught, that if you fertilize a plant with more N - the plant will make more leaves and less cobs. Good for cattle feed, but not corn production.
Since we want less leaves and more 'cobs' I think it might be beneficial to feed with a low ratio N fertilizer.
Any thoughts?
greenatik
Member
thought id throw up my profile. using AN micro (6ml) + AN bloom (9ml) + Sweet (5ml)
has been working great! 5-10% runoff flush once a week. like it better for the lower N. I also use koolboom 3 weeks out of the 60 day flowering time like rez. but not 7 ml only 2ml / gallon
MICRO
N (90)
K (13)
CA (79)
BLOOM
P (52)
K (79)
Mg (36)
S (36)
N-P-K-Mg
90 – 52 – 92 - 57
this is quoted from h3ad not sure if it was posted here already...
[FONT="]"adding enough cal mag to bring the Mg close to the target 60 ppm will also increase the Ca to 148 ppm which seems quite a bit high to me, it also brings the N up to 129...[/FONT][FONT="]
The target numbers I shoot for are 100 - 100 - 200 - 60 for N-P-K-Mg, normally... but for the coco I think the lower P and K are needed...
Also, although a wide range of ratios in the K-Ca-Mg relationship will provide optimum growth, it is generally accepted that there should be a bit more K than Ca, and a bit more Ca than Mg... This was why I chose epsom over cal-mag..."
peace!
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has been working great! 5-10% runoff flush once a week. like it better for the lower N. I also use koolboom 3 weeks out of the 60 day flowering time like rez. but not 7 ml only 2ml / gallon
MICRO
N (90)
K (13)
CA (79)
BLOOM
P (52)
K (79)
Mg (36)
S (36)
N-P-K-Mg
90 – 52 – 92 - 57
this is quoted from h3ad not sure if it was posted here already...
[FONT="]"adding enough cal mag to bring the Mg close to the target 60 ppm will also increase the Ca to 148 ppm which seems quite a bit high to me, it also brings the N up to 129...[/FONT][FONT="]
The target numbers I shoot for are 100 - 100 - 200 - 60 for N-P-K-Mg, normally... but for the coco I think the lower P and K are needed...
Also, although a wide range of ratios in the K-Ca-Mg relationship will provide optimum growth, it is generally accepted that there should be a bit more K than Ca, and a bit more Ca than Mg... This was why I chose epsom over cal-mag..."
peace!
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chemsteady
Member
hehe.
hehe.
ask lucas 101, huh? everyone should start there, lucas was/is a really smart cat. ive used his formula for a long time now, and when i made the switch to coco i found the h3ad/rez formula.
its interesting when reading a thread on nutes. start seeing nute profiles, numbers, starts looking like an algebra class. lets not reinvent the wheel here, might confuse some folks! ph (lucas' mentor) lucas, h3ad, rez all did the work for you. just follow directions, dont use unnecessary additives and water with a little bit of runoff. amend the coco to fit your watering schedule/style and you dont need to worry about calculators. a hannah meter maybe, but not a calculator. well, i suppose one might come in handy right around harvest time, huh?
~c
hehe.
ask lucas 101, huh? everyone should start there, lucas was/is a really smart cat. ive used his formula for a long time now, and when i made the switch to coco i found the h3ad/rez formula.
its interesting when reading a thread on nutes. start seeing nute profiles, numbers, starts looking like an algebra class. lets not reinvent the wheel here, might confuse some folks! ph (lucas' mentor) lucas, h3ad, rez all did the work for you. just follow directions, dont use unnecessary additives and water with a little bit of runoff. amend the coco to fit your watering schedule/style and you dont need to worry about calculators. a hannah meter maybe, but not a calculator. well, i suppose one might come in handy right around harvest time, huh?
~c
chemsteady
Member
ps.
ps.
spacecadet, next time, i wouldnt change your feed schedule two weeks into flower, by that time, any significant change might adversely effect your garden. btw, if youre only two weeks in with dime size buds, thats ok--still got six weeks, wait you said chem, right? you still got 6-7 weeks to go!
now, without any more knowledge than you gave, im guessing youre doing two things to them, overwatering and burning them. its exactly what lucas describes growers doing. relying on a nute formula to do the work of the gardener. first off, let the plants breathe. if i were you, id go back to your old feed, finish out, and start fresh with lucas/h3ad/rez. btw, which one (version, rez, h3ad, og) are you using? are you in coco? outdoor, indoor? how do you feed, drippers? answer these things, and we can get those plants back up and running, man. peace from california.
~c
edit: just reread your post, you said youre near harvest time. ok, well, hit me up next run. ill lay it down for you by the numbers, and get you dialed in with lucas.
ps.
spacecadet, next time, i wouldnt change your feed schedule two weeks into flower, by that time, any significant change might adversely effect your garden. btw, if youre only two weeks in with dime size buds, thats ok--still got six weeks, wait you said chem, right? you still got 6-7 weeks to go!
now, without any more knowledge than you gave, im guessing youre doing two things to them, overwatering and burning them. its exactly what lucas describes growers doing. relying on a nute formula to do the work of the gardener. first off, let the plants breathe. if i were you, id go back to your old feed, finish out, and start fresh with lucas/h3ad/rez. btw, which one (version, rez, h3ad, og) are you using? are you in coco? outdoor, indoor? how do you feed, drippers? answer these things, and we can get those plants back up and running, man. peace from california.
~c
edit: just reread your post, you said youre near harvest time. ok, well, hit me up next run. ill lay it down for you by the numbers, and get you dialed in with lucas.
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cap full of gh fnb per gallon. end.
veg and/or bloom.
only nute or measurement ever needed, if want extremely kiss regime w/ everything included.
gh buffers very well. no need for ph or ppm meters. tap water.
enjoy your garden!
veg and/or bloom.
only nute or measurement ever needed, if want extremely kiss regime w/ everything included.
gh buffers very well. no need for ph or ppm meters. tap water.
enjoy your garden!
wickedpete66
Active member
My first coco was using cns17. i switched to heads formula minus the epsom salt about a year ago. The results have been spectacular
greenatik
Member
using a calculator is not reinventing the wheel in any way. we take the target numbers created by these pros and, because of the calculator, are able to adapt and create these numbers with basically any nute on the market. I was using GH flora following step by step rez's formula and saw tip burn and mag def. I switched over to advanced 3part on my next purchase because it was cheaper. The tip burn is gone and the added sweet fixed the mag problem. but crunching the numbers in the calculator proved this to me. it only takes 5 minutes and when using a 3 part nutrient and additives it can be invaluable. remember that they never said additives were completely unnecessary, just that they needed to be used correctly
greenatik
Member
I cant believe y'all had great success with CNS-17. I still use it for veg because it works wonders and is easy no doubt. But I experienced the same thing as pete.
its ratio is 2-2-3. So what do you guys do when you want to drop just the N about half way through? Switch nutes? It just doesn't make sense to me unless you ditch the bloom and use just the ripe.
its ratio is 2-2-3. So what do you guys do when you want to drop just the N about half way through? Switch nutes? It just doesn't make sense to me unless you ditch the bloom and use just the ripe.
update
update
I have absolute proof that Lucas and Ph are on it. So do you. Rez has a WONDERFUL recipe, so does GratefulHead. these work, and they work WELL gotta go, brb.
update
ALOHA everyone. been a while. I am starting here again. lets goThe Lucas formula is a base formula that works. The more we work it and share the knowledge the better we get. Every plant is different. Each strain is different. Get to know your strain. Get to know your grow as a whole.
I say this cause if we ain't got base, we ain't got shit. The plant only need's what it needs nothing more, nothing less. It is our job to deliver the necessary nutrients,water,and environment that make our individual strain or strain's reach their maximal potential!! It is our job to learn their need's. Only then are we taking it to the next level.
I have absolute proof that Lucas and Ph are on it. So do you. Rez has a WONDERFUL recipe, so does GratefulHead. these work, and they work WELL
gotta go, brb.
