Taking it too the next level!!

[gmanwho]

gh taste

gh taste

Great read jitamon.

ive read about the lucas method and it seems to be very a very solid foundation to build on. And i am trying the 6/9 ratio next round, beginning next week end.

Now, i haven't used GH 3 part before. How would you rate gh nutes in the final product taste department? I would think that by producing a healthy plant, it would produce all the essential oils needed to bring the taste out. correct?

I love smoking tasty herb, the old closet/ old trunk smell, musty, earthy. would anyone agree that i would still get great taste with GH? I tell u one thing, its ashame to smoke good looking pot that has no taste.

thanks for condensing the info jitamon. Good reading. I can say i am in high anticipation of a response.


B-safe everyone.

 

[Buxxy]

do they even use Flora Grow bottle at all? all I can see is micro and Bloom

 

[~fvk~]

Yeah, it's just the Micro and Bloom at half strength for veg.

 

[Buxxy]

I've actually spend half of my day today reading about this Lucas formula since I've heard a lot of members mentioning it. Will probably run it in near future

shit I'm stoned I'll better lay

 

[LifeCycle]

Awesome thread Jitamon well done. I just finished my first run with the Lucas 8ml micro 16ml bloom all the way through with great results! HOwever I was unaware that this formula did not require a flush is this correct? I will be trying the floranova formula for my next grow.Does that require a flush?

 

[Cozy Amnesia]

^^^Most say to flush a week or two before harvest.

I'm going to follow H3ad's formula exactly.

I would add 5 mL per gallon if you are using h3ad's formula.

That gets Mg up to 66 ppm. Plenty.

This is for using R/O water, right? Using tap you won't need this?

And how often do you guys feed? I know you can and should water everyday with coco, but does this include nutes? Or is it an every-other-day process?

 

[Movintarget]

Great thread... I've been using these products for over 2 years since I started growing my own. Although I haven't tried Coco Coir, I have nothing but happy results with GH...Interesting subject may have to try coco to see how it does for me.
Thanks for all the info.

 

[Buxxy]

ok just to clear this out we are talking about this Flora Series

right?

 

[clowntown]

GH buds taste great with a good flush (no amount of flush will fix over-ferting). I like the 3-part because I can completely cut out N like I want. I especially like it because it produces results at a fraction of the cost of fancy-schmancy nutrients with pretty labels or absurd, "marketed" claims.

In my personal experience using Canna's A+B, I was never able to get "organic/soil-like" yellowing leaves near harvest time without flushing for an absurdly long time (I personally consider absurdly long to be longer than a week). I believe this is in part because I was always giving them N, as long as I was feeding them: mixing in equal parts of A and B. Perhaps the A portion can be cut out in later flower, I don't know... but I've always read that there are other important pieces in the A portion that and that you should never remove it from your mix.

I don't feel that there is a need to flush for longer than a week maximum in coco; or really, anything but soil where the lengthy flush is necessary to break down and wash out all the nutrients in the soil. I feel that coco can be "purged" a lot easier and a lot faster than soil, and consider it be a hydroponic medium that many (incorrectly) treat like soil because that's what they're accustomed to. (This is all given that the plants were fed right, nutes tapered down towards the end, and not over-ferted.)

I believe that you see a lot more yellowing in the soil/organic grows than in hydroponics because by the time harvest comes there is usually not much, if any, N left in the medium from all that watering. No new N is introduced into the feed via teas in later flower for the most part, either (assuming teas are being fed). No top-dressing (or otherwise using) of blood meal or other N is done, either.

Anyways, after all that's said; in terms of taste and smell, I have read that certain products can definitely enhance it, such as products like Botanicare's Sweet and Advanced Nutrients' Sweet Leaf, to name a couple of the most popular ones that most will likely recognize. Definitely not limited to those two, of course. I understand GH has a new product out, the FloraNectar which from my understanding is to compete with AN's Sweet Leaf (+ CarboLoad), Botanicare's Sweet, and so on. I'm also aware of another product, Floralicious Plus, which I've seen very good feedback on in terms of seriously / noticeably boosting smell and taste.

 

[Buxxy]

it would be really cool if someone could break down Canna Coco nutes to suit lucas formula. or is it just me dumb fuck not using the search task

 

[Cozy Amnesia]

it would be really cool if someone could break down Canna Coco nutes to suit lucas formula. or is it just me dumb fuck not using the search task

Well the lucas formula is a mixture of flora bloom and micro to achieve the target ratio, and it can be modified for use with coco. This saves a little cash and is simpler sense you don't have to use all three, or if coco specific nutes aren't available. Canna A&B is already perfect for coco so there is no need to change it at all.

Can someone tell me how often to feed? Do you guys feed everytime you water, or is it every other day, or what?

 

[clowntown]

Canna A&B is already perfect for coco so there is no need to change it at all.

Oh, really?

 

[clowntown]

So for all those that choose to use the modified formula and/or additives. Here are some #'s I crunched using this calculator:
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm
Here are some additive's first:
Calmag+ 960ml 975.2g total weight
2ml/g 5ml/g 7ml/g

N-2% 11 27 38
Mg-1.2% 6 16 23
Ca-3.2% 17 43 59

Liquid Karma 960ml 952.5g total weight
5ml/g 10ml/g

N-0.1% 1 3
P-0.1% 1 1
K-0.5% 5 11

Floralicious bloom 946ml 997.9g total weight
5ml/g ( recommended strength)
N-1% 14
P-1% 6
K-1% 12

Floraliscious + 118ml 134g total weight
1ml/g
N-2% 6
P-0.8% 1
K-0.02% trace

Advanced nutrient's B-52 fertilizer booster
5ml/g
N-2% 27
P-1% 6
K-4% 45

Advanced nutrients Overdrive flower ripener
10ml/g
N-1% 27
P-3% 59
K-4% 90
Mg-0.92% 25

Advanced nutrients Big Bud liquid bloom booster
10ml/g
N-1% trace
P-3% 24
K-4% 90
Mg-0.7% 19


Now here is some base nutrient formulas:

Flora Nova Bloom one part plant food
5ml/g 6ml/g 7ml/g 8ml/g
N-4% 77 92 108 123
P-8% 67 81 94 108
K-7% 64 134 157 180
Mg-2% 39 46 54 62
Ca-4% 77 92 108 123

Advanced Nutrients Sensi Grow formula part A+B with equal parts of each/g
5ml/g 8ml/g
N-6.2% 84 134
P-2.2% 13 21
K-5.7% 64 102
Mg-1% 14 22
Ca-2.5% 34 54

Canna coco part A+B with equal parts of each/g
8ml
N-5% 121
P-4% 42
K-3% 60
Mg-1% 24

One can now understand how coco coir is thought to be a cal/mg hog. Mostly it is nutrients not fitting the profile that most excels Cannabis growth and flowering. This also explains how Rez and Head ( that sound like resin head. lol get the success they do following their modified formula.

Can you explain / elaborate? I'm not sure I'm seeing "it".

I am using h3ad's formula with no epsom. I am starting week six (of ten) and have some rust spots.

That's more likely to be a Ca deficiency, not a Mg deficiency.

 

[Buxxy]

basically 8ml/g of Canna Coco is already enough to achieve lucas ratios ?

 

[~fvk~]

I'm three weeks into a seed grow and I'm feeding with Earth Juice at like 3 ml per gallon right now.

Tomorrow I'm going to the hydro store to get GH Micro and Bloom. I've never used chemical nutrients before so do you think it'd be safe to change over to the GH? I'm pretty sure EJ has some fast acting and slower acting nutrients in it, so I don't know if just straight up starting them out on the GH would burn them or not. I think that organics are supposed to be harder to flush out so I don't know if the coco would retain some of the nutrients or not?

Hopefully the Micro and Bloom make a good veg formula. I think I'll start out at 1/4 strength.

Anybody have any opinions on this?

 

[JITAMON]

Aloha everyone I am happy that this is helping people! Helps me too.

~FVK~ I recommend looking into the FloraNova line. This is a 1 part that is working extremely well for a lot of people. It contains both organic and chem ingredients. All you need is the FloraNova Bloom for your entire grow. If you want to use some additives, I use Floralicious+ and at times some Calmag+.
The Flora micro and bloom is a proven winner. I personally don't use it, I am using FloraNova Bloom.

Buxxy, The Canna formula at 8ml part A and 8ml part B most resembles the target ratio.

Cozy Amnesia, Are you using the Canna coco base nutes? I have used them and found that i needed to add calmag, so has ALOT of other people. I now realize that I was not using it at 8ml /gal like I am supposed to.

Clowntown, I see what you meant with "it" go read that post again, I edited "it"

 

[Buxxy]

thanks for your answer jitamon

 

[clowntown]

Clowntown, I see what you meant with "it" go read that post again, I edited "it"

Still not getting it; what I was referring to in specific:

One can now understand how coco coir is thought to be a cal/mg hog.

What numbers am I looking for, and comparing to what, to see & understand how coco coir is thought to be a Ca/Mg hog?

 

[stoned teacher]

Wow, I started reading this thread a week ago, got baked and figured I wasn't ready to take it to the next level, but now that you've done all the geek work and I've got an R/O machine on the way, I'm pretty pumped to step it up to the next level!

This is a great thread!

Jitamon, Clowntown mentioned that with CAnna AB (like with pretty much any equal mix AB), he has issues with the amount of N given towards the end of flowering....Do you experience ths at all with the floranova?

Sorry for a sidetrack question (i searched), do you know if floranova has a limed usable period before it expires? I've got like a full pretty unused bottle of that stuff, maybe a year and a half or two old......It might be time to break it back out?

 

[clowntown]

I've recently read of people using other main base nutes for a majority of their flower (i.e., FloraNova), followed by the 3-part (in particular, just the Bloom bottle, and perhaps a tiny bit of Micro if needed) to finish off. I like the sound of that far better than doing an extra lengthy starvation of the plants towards the end.

Yes, the FloraNova does have a limited shelf life although I have no idea how long. I remember bumping into a few references where it was recommended that you shake the bottle, and if you feel or hear clumps that seems like it won't dissolve or break apart that it's a sign of a bad bottle. Yet another thing I've just browsed by in the past and tucked away in the back of my mind, but never looked too deep into it since I wasn't using that particular line at the time.