Super Soil, Tea, Sythentic Nutes

[surfguitar]

You can water only these soils and get amazing results but adding stuff like aloe, sprouting enzyme teas and protek/agisil at first can have some pretty remarkable results and can kinda fill the gaps till the soil really starts to mature in regards to the humus quality.

For the most part this stuff is dirt cheap too.

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

When it comes to amendment break down times - I'm sure in our custom tailored soils, we are getting faster availability times due to increased microbial activity. We pamper our soils as much as we do our plants...it's not really a fair empirical statement to say a given break down time, without giving consideration to the type of soil such times were derived in...

I made this point in another post recently as well in regards to greensand and the availability of K in it...

Yes, I recycle my soil - I have two batches of the same size that rotate. While one is in use and being grown in, the second is given a refresh of amendments and allowed to compost for a couple months while it is not being used.

One of these days I'll really start doing things right and graduate to a full no-till approach...



dank.Frank

I couldn't agree more. I have noticed that trying to apply field crop soil testing to a recycled potting soil does not necessarily work.

The soil testing labs (they usually make additives as well) are behind the curve when it comes to organic recycled soil with high amounts of organic matter.

You can't just come in with numbers, and stats from the field, and think they are going to work the same in this arena.

It would be much easier if it did though.

 

[Team Microbe]

Great thread. It's nice to see the confusion being cleared up behind the whole "synthetic revolution".


Bottom Line - synthetics are for cash-croppers

True living organics are for medicinal cannabis growers


No matter how long and hard you leech (or as people like to call "flush") you will not remove chemicals from your flowers come harvest time. Chemicals reside at a cellular level in the plant, these aren't removable. So the taste you taste with hydro/coco/aero are the chemicals you used to grow them with. If you're doing this for patients/medicine wouldn't you want to grow organically and not counter-act your goal? Chemicals don't produce medicine, they are stored in our bodies until a detox is performed and make us feel like shit because of it. Don't believe me? Smoke synthetic buds for a month and see how ya feel. No good!


Another thing to ponder:

Who is the best judge of when and how much you eat when you eat it? YOU are.

So wouldn't it make sense to let your girls uptake nutrients from the soil when THEY feel is best? I could go on and on... but it's no better than GMO's in my opinion. You're infusing chemicals to create a heavier harvest disregarding health precautions of your final product.


QUALITY > QUANTITY

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

Great thread. It's nice to see the confusion being cleared up behind the whole "synthetic revolution".


Bottom Line - synthetics are for cash-croppers

True living organics are for medicinal cannabis growers


No matter how long and hard you leech (or as people like to call "flush") you will not remove chemicals from your flowers come harvest time. Chemicals reside at a cellular level in the plant, there's not leeching this out. So the taste you taste with hydro/coco/aero are the chemicals you used to grow them with!

It puzzles me every time I wonder why or more importantly HOW chemicals were introduced in horticulture. There's more than one way to skin a cat... like they say. But there's also the correct and incorrect way of doing things.


I encourage anyone growing with synthetics to read Teaming with Microbes

^it'll change your grow game

I just happen to know where you can pick up a copy of "Teaming with Microbes."

http://eurekaspringsorganics.com/or...-organic-gardeners-guide-to-the-soil-wood-web

It does indeed open up your mind to how to actually grow a plant.

Nothing worse than someone trying to grow organically walking into a hydro shop, and they give him a chemical answer to his organic question. Hydro shops have done nothing good for gardening.

They spread so much disinformation, and peddle questionable (sometimes illegal) chemicals to people growing plants that are going to be smoked.

Greed= They don't give a fuck.

To harsh?

My bad.

 

[Team Microbe]

Again, 3 gallon pots, water only, from seed, same soil mix used for seed, veg and flower.

-Karma Genetics Brotherhood OG-


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dank.Frank

respect for reaching out and helping people understand the truth behind TLO brotha, you know what's up.

 

[Team Microbe]

I just happen to know where you can pick up a copy of "Teaming with Microbes."

http://eurekaspringsorganics.com/or...-organic-gardeners-guide-to-the-soil-wood-web

It does indeed open up your mind to how to actually grow a plant.

Nothing worse than someone trying to grow organically walking into a hydro shop, and they give him a chemical answer to his organic question. Hydro shops have done nothing good for gardening.

They spread so much disinformation, and peddle questionable (sometimes illegal) chemicals to people growing plants that are going to be smoked.

Greed= They don't give a fuck.

To harsh?

My bad.

haha not harsh enough! 100% agree. Everyone go pick up a copy! ^

 

[Avinash.miles]

hmmmm......
teaming vs. teeming....
teeming with microbes... teaming with microbes...
team microbe...

hmmm....

 

[GSPfan]

I am currently using gh micro and bloom with aerated compost teas. I have grown 100% organic before with decent results. I have also just ran straight chem nutes with decent results also. The organic didn't yeild like the non organic but it was a higher quality bud for sure. But now that I have been using micro and bloom with aerated teas I have been getting the best of both worlds. I have a thread going in the csg tester forum. My first run is done with non organics and the second run, which I'm 3 weeks into, is chem nutes + tea. You can already see how much frostier they are getting this time around because of the teas. And the smell is sweeter and stronger. So mixing chem nutes and organics definitely works.

 

[Avinash.miles]

i don't think that just using teas really counts as "organic growing"....
at least to ME, organics is about soil building... if you are growing in a nuetral media, feeding with "organic" bottled nutes and/OR synthetic nutes plus teas does not qualify in my book...
that's just my opinion... organic indoor gardening = soil building.
i think the basis of what people are saying in this thread is that soil building does not go well with synthetic nutes.
sure brew a tea and feed it inbetween your salt based nute feedings, just dont go around calling your product organic or even "part" or "half" organic.

On that same note I'd like some input from the real organic growing heads on here (frnkdnk teammicrobe & eso, since yall are already here....) concerning "organic" bottled nutes... nectar of the gods (in black bottles), earth juice, natures nectar; just brands off the top of my head that claim organic

 

[Chunky Dixel]

I am currently using gh micro and bloom with aerated compost teas. I have grown 100% organic before with decent results. I have also just ran straight chem nutes with decent results also. The organic didn't yeild like the non organic but it was a higher quality bud for sure. But now that I have been using micro and bloom with aerated teas I have been getting the best of both worlds. I have a thread going in the csg tester forum. My first run is done with non organics and the second run, which I'm 3 weeks into, is chem nutes + tea. You can already see how much frostier they are getting this time around because of the teas. And the smell is sweeter and stronger. So mixing chem nutes and organics definitely works.

What is your growing medium? I've done exactly what you're doing and I moved from micro and bloom to dyna bloom.

I realized on my latest grow that the gh micro and bloom may not of affected the plants but the synthetic pk boost is the real problem that has me questioning adding in synthetic towards the end at week 3-4.

 

[Chunky Dixel]

I'll veg in 1 gallon containers typically for 4-8wks depending on lighting intensity and how the plants are growing. I typically veg to about 18-22" tall and then I transplant to 3 gallon and put the plants into their first 12 hour darkness period, ie into flower immediately after transplant...no additional veg time in between.


dank.Frank[/QUOTE]

I think because you are transplanting from 1 gallon to gallon at light transition from 18 to 12 is how you get away with nothing but water

When you do the transplant from 1 to 3 gallon. I see that as a good time to use soil with higher pk bat guano.

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

hmmmm......
teaming vs. teeming....
teeming with microbes... teaming with microbes...
team microbe...

hmmm....

I can't give you any more reps, or I would.

 

[GSPfan]

i don't think that just using teas really counts as "organic growing"....
at least to ME, organics is about soil building... if you are growing in a nuetral media, feeding with "organic" bottled nutes and/OR synthetic nutes plus teas does not qualify in my book...
that's just my opinion... organic indoor gardening = soil building.
i think the basis of what people are saying in this thread is that soil building does not go well with synthetic nutes.
sure brew a tea and feed it inbetween your salt based nute feedings, just dont go around calling your product organic or even "part" or "half" organic.

On that same note I'd like some input from the real organic growing heads on here (frnkdnk teammicrobe & eso, since yall are already here....) concerning "organic" bottled nutes... nectar of the gods (in black bottles), earth juice, natures nectar; just brands off the top of my head that claim organic

Im creating a healthy soil and instead of building my soil I'm adding nutes. Im not calling it organic anything but I can tell you that the final product is more similar to it being grown organically than with 100% non organic nutes.
Chunky Dixel I use promix with worm casting and maybe a little perlite.

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

i don't think that just using teas really counts as "organic growing"....
at least to ME, organics is about soil building... if you are growing in a nuetral media, feeding with "organic" bottled nutes and/OR synthetic nutes plus teas does not qualify in my book...
that's just my opinion... organic indoor gardening = soil building.
i think the basis of what people are saying in this thread is that soil building does not go well with synthetic nutes.
sure brew a tea and feed it inbetween your salt based nute feedings, just dont go around calling your product organic or even "part" or "half" organic.

On that same note I'd like some input from the real organic growing heads on here (frnkdnk teammicrobe & eso, since yall are already here....) concerning "organic" bottled nutes... nectar of the gods (in black bottles), earth juice, natures nectar; just brands off the top of my head that claim organic

I've been working with "bottled nutes" off and on for 2 years now. They work, but the yields, and quality don't touch quality compost tea. I planned on releasing a line of "bottled nutes" in 2014, but honestly it is not a priority. I only started working with them because people were to lazy to brew compost tea.

 

[Midnight Tokar]

I think because you are transplanting from 1 gallon to gallon at light transition from 18 to 12 is how you get away with nothing but water

When you do the transplant from 1 to 3 gallon. I see that as a good time to use soil with higher pk bat guano.

I don't think that is necessarily true. I also build my own organic soil and with the exception of 2 or 3 molasses tea waterings they are water only. I use the same soil from the time they leave the red solo cups and transplanted into 3 gallon bags, the solo cup soil is nothing but peat, rice hulls and EWC and they stay in that for about 2 weeks. After transplant they stay in the 3 gallons several weeks until the proper height and then switched to 12/12.
I have a Haze at 6 foot tall and 70 days flower right now with nothing but water and no fade yet, it will probably go 84 days or longer.

 

[Chunky Dixel]

I've always thought it was better to veg in the container that it will flower at least a week prior to 12 hour but a lot of the old school guys say flip when transplant like FrDank

 

[Chunky Dixel]

i don't think that just using teas really counts as "organic growing"....
at least to ME, organics is about soil building... if you are growing in a nuetral media, feeding with "organic" bottled nutes and/OR synthetic nutes plus teas does not qualify in my book...
that's just my opinion... organic indoor gardening = soil building.
i think the basis of what people are saying in this thread is that soil building does not go well with synthetic nutes.
sure brew a tea and feed it inbetween your salt based nute feedings, just dont go around calling your product organic or even "part" or "half" organic.

On that same note I'd like some input from the real organic growing heads on here (frnkdnk teammicrobe & eso, since yall are already here....) concerning "organic" bottled nutes... nectar of the gods (in black bottles), earth juice, natures nectar; just brands off the top of my head that claim organic

organic tea definitely counts as organic and may fall into the hydro organic vibe

 

[Chunky Dixel]

organic tea definitely counts as organic and may fall into the hydro organic vibe

organic bottled nutes are only what certified organic stands for not necessary actually organic, but everyone knew this

 

[Team Microbe]

hmmmm......
teaming vs. teeming....
teeming with microbes... teaming with microbes...
team microbe...

hmmm....

haha oh you think I'm like Jeff or the other guy who wrote it?

nah, it just changed my entire game so I feel it's my responsibility to tell others what I know now.

and the core of TLO is teaming with your microbes... I only figured it was fitting

 

[dank.frank]

When you do the transplant from 1 to 3 gallon. I see that as a good time to use soil with higher pk bat guano.

Same exact soil mix veg and flower. Even if the soil has a high P/K in veg growth, the plant is not going to use nutrients it doesn't need...it only contributes to the break down time of whatever isn't being used.

The roots aren't giving off the chemical signals to the micro fauna that would dictate to them to break down and utilize p/k in when in vegetative growth...the proper environmental stimuli surrounding the foliage doesn't exist unless flowering has been trigger, which is then changing the nutritional demands of the plant.

That is why you get away with using the same soil mix for all / any stage of growth. If the proper inputs are present, the plant will utilize nutrition when deems it necessary...

I transplant before going to flower because I anticipate having bigger plants over the next 2-3 months...it wouldn't make sense to flower in a container in which they have grown root bound.

Certainly when you are going from veg to flower - you do transplant / up pot, correct?? I think that is standard practice in any soil garden. More root space equates to larger yields and fuller, more mature flowers...but yes, certainly, having freshly composted medium for the roots to grow into contributes to the lack of having to provide additional nutrition through other means...



dank.Frank