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SULFUR PLASMA LIGHTING!!!! 100% SUN
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FreeMan
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Thanks for clearing that up man, this was exactly the discussion I had with the guy who demonstrated it to me. He said if the exhaust goes... boom! The bulb didn't spin or anything like that, it's just the exhaust blower. If it fails the bulb gets too hot and the whole thing blows. I don't really see how they can get around this problem. The exhaust would have to be guaranteed indestructible... surely no manufacturer can offer that kind of reliability.
I keep telling people this but they love to hate
I am dumbfounded by all the experience out there when the product has not even hit the market yet.
Guess what guys products advance, remember atri or sega genesis???
and i am even more dumbfounded by people who have never even tried the product, but they think its the shit and will revolutionize everything........
if this is the next big thing, i would already of heard about it or already of had it in my possession.......believe me.........
bulbs are due for a change
oh ROJO14 i have been doing this long enough, you sound like a groupy.
anyways, like i said for the millionth time half these products have not hit the market.
enjoy your comidor 64 krunch.
thanks for the imput
I'll wait til they are on the market, hope they are better than the dinosaurs you rode in on.
oh ROJO14 i have been doing this long enough, you sound like a groupy.
anyways, like i said for the millionth time half these products have not hit the market.
enjoy your comidor 64 krunch.
thanks for the imput
I'll wait til they are on the market, hope they are better than the dinosaurs you rode in on.
THC4SIM
Active member
There some new next gen of these sulphur plasma's
Plasma International to showcase next generation sulphur plasma grow lights at GROW 2010 Manchester
& also at the show they are doing in LA..
they have gotta be worth going to have a chat with about em,
they may have the spectrum sorted out these days??
we will see at grow2010.......
http://www.plasma-i.com/news-media.htm
Plasma International to showcase next generation sulphur plasma grow lights at GROW 2010 Manchester
& also at the show they are doing in LA..
they have gotta be worth going to have a chat with about em,
they may have the spectrum sorted out these days??
we will see at grow2010.......
http://www.plasma-i.com/news-media.htm
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secondtry
This is from a post I made to B. Friendly in a different thread:
Man that is expensive ($3,500) considering the SPD of the Hortilux Blue is better than the SP of the of plasma and a 1,000 Hortilux Blue lamp, PL reflector and NextGen ballast is only about $600-700. Hell, toss in a LightRail 3.5 for about $300 and a 6" in-line fan for about $200 for a grand total of about $1,200. And a grower has money left over to put in Co2 tank/emitter for about $300 and auto-Co2 control for about $350. That would be a much better option than spending $3,500 on a single lamp.
The SPD of that new lamp is not what I want, too much blue. Green is good and not enough red. Blue photons tend to heat up the leaf more than other photons because when the energy held in a blue photon that does not drive Pn (rate of photosynthesis) it simply heats up the leaf which isn't a good thing.
Thanks
Man that is expensive ($3,500) considering the SPD of the Hortilux Blue is better than the SP of the of plasma and a 1,000 Hortilux Blue lamp, PL reflector and NextGen ballast is only about $600-700. Hell, toss in a LightRail 3.5 for about $300 and a 6" in-line fan for about $200 for a grand total of about $1,200. And a grower has money left over to put in Co2 tank/emitter for about $300 and auto-Co2 control for about $350. That would be a much better option than spending $3,500 on a single lamp.
The SPD of that new lamp is not what I want, too much blue. Green is good and not enough red. Blue photons tend to heat up the leaf more than other photons because when the energy held in a blue photon that does not drive Pn (rate of photosynthesis) it simply heats up the leaf which isn't a good thing.
Thanks
De La Luz
Member
750 watt
750 watt
I actually have one and have had some interesting results...
First off mine was purchased used for around $1500, I purchased it from some researchers. It's a 750 w unit and is easily as bright as a 1000w hps.
I've had great results in flower with the SP & hps 1000w side by side... fatter flowers and more of them.
In veg... the plants shot up in size VERY quickly but it's like they get way ahead of their root growth and did not perform as well after this SP veg cycle...
When i veg under T-5's and then flower under the SP it works great.
750 watt
I actually have one and have had some interesting results...
First off mine was purchased used for around $1500, I purchased it from some researchers. It's a 750 w unit and is easily as bright as a 1000w hps.
I've had great results in flower with the SP & hps 1000w side by side... fatter flowers and more of them.
In veg... the plants shot up in size VERY quickly but it's like they get way ahead of their root growth and did not perform as well after this SP veg cycle...
When i veg under T-5's and then flower under the SP it works great.
You'll be happy to know that the new plasma's are cooler than HPS, but i am not sure about MH bulbs. Probally similare or cooler the plasmas would be if they are recommending that they can be closer than HPS.
I use the Hortilux Blue bulbs myself but they are no good for flowering stages compared to HPS I have found over many grows.
Pallidus127
Member
I got that on the website linked by the OP. Is this saying that those bulbs don't burn out? Because that would be pretty sweet.
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secondtry
Hey there,
You misunderstood what I meant. It's not radiant heat, it's the heat at leaf converted from the energy held in each blue photon. Blue photons hold the most energy, but offer the least QE (Quantum Efficiency; the ability to drive photosynthesis), thus when blue photons are not absorbed by leaf for Pn it simply becomes heat (which unfortunately increases VPD; Vapor Pressure Deficit). That is why I wrote the plasma has too much blue. Especially considering green and red photons offer the greatest Pn (rate of photosynthesis, ie. QE) than blue. What that means is the plasma lamp will heat a leaf on a per PAR range photon basis more than an HPS (with higher ratios of green and red photons).
Green photons drive Pn more than red and blue under bright white light, thus a good SPD will offer highest green and red vs. blue. That is why I like the Horltilux blue SPD, it has a lot of green and also decent red with more than sufficient blue.
All that considered a Hortilux Blue 1,000w should be better for cannabis than the plasma if both are emitting the same irradiance (which is affected by distance to canopy).
I for one would SO much rather spend $2,000 (like I described above) and produce way more and way better cannabis than just buying a single $3,500 lamp...
HTH
You misunderstood what I meant. It's not radiant heat, it's the heat at leaf converted from the energy held in each blue photon. Blue photons hold the most energy, but offer the least QE (Quantum Efficiency; the ability to drive photosynthesis), thus when blue photons are not absorbed by leaf for Pn it simply becomes heat (which unfortunately increases VPD; Vapor Pressure Deficit). That is why I wrote the plasma has too much blue. Especially considering green and red photons offer the greatest Pn (rate of photosynthesis, ie. QE) than blue. What that means is the plasma lamp will heat a leaf on a per PAR range photon basis more than an HPS (with higher ratios of green and red photons).
Green photons drive Pn more than red and blue under bright white light, thus a good SPD will offer highest green and red vs. blue. That is why I like the Horltilux blue SPD, it has a lot of green and also decent red with more than sufficient blue.
Irradiance is what makes the biggest differentce, not SPD when the SPD's are decent for plants (ie. from a Hortilux blue, super HPS, etc). Thus a Hortilux blue at 1,000 PPFD should outperform a Super HPS at 1,000 PPFD. That is why I suggest using the Hortilux Blue 1,000 watt instead of the plasma. There is such as thing as "too much" light (ie. light saturation) and I assume the plasma can emit too much light (ie. irradiance over about 1,500 PPFD).
All that considered a Hortilux Blue 1,000w should be better for cannabis than the plasma if both are emitting the same irradiance (which is affected by distance to canopy).
I for one would SO much rather spend $2,000 (like I described above) and produce way more and way better cannabis than just buying a single $3,500 lamp...
HTH
well put, gracias
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secondtry
No problem. 
I actually have one and have had some interesting results...
First off mine was purchased used for around $1500, I purchased it from some researchers. It's a 750 w unit and is easily as bright as a 1000w hps.
I've had great results in flower with the SP & hps 1000w side by side... fatter flowers and more of them.
In veg... the plants shot up in size VERY quickly but it's like they get way ahead of their root growth and did not perform as well after this SP veg cycle...
When i veg under T-5's and then flower under the SP it works great.
not sure if you can call that a side by side comparison, the light is overlapping each other coverage area. but, i would like to see maybe a grow diary or something of a true side by side...
"ya man, thats some heavy shit"
well put bro! i thought that green light could not be used by the plant, thats why people use them to see when "lights out".
what do you think about the sunpulse bulbs? id really would like your opinion on those........
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secondtry
Hey,
Yea it's a myth that plants don't use green light, they use it better than blue or red. It has to due with the color of the leafs. Green light has much deeper penetration into the canopy (then blue or red) which is another reason I like the Hortilux Blue: it will better irradiate the lower buds/leafs than will a other HID lamps with less green than the Hortilux Blue.
I could go on and on about green photons but I am kinda tired now. The myth comes from the well known and misused chlorophyll A and B absorption spectra (wrongly used by LED makers most often) which shows peak chlorophyll absorption in blue and red. Problem being that was found with an aqueous extract from a leaf in virto (in a spectrophotometer)! Thus that absorption spectra doesn't show what happens to/from photons in vivo (i.e. the plant/leaf in it's real growing environment). We need to use PAS (Photosynthesis Action Spectra), but even that needed to be updated (and was been last year). Please see the "LED vs HID" thread for so much more info I posted to make your eyes bleed
I really don't like SunPluse at all! Mostly the owner (Chris?) is a total asshole and doesn't have the level of knowledge he should have (IMO). SunPluse rates their lamps with Kelvin which more stupid than rating plant lamps by lumens or watts. I once called the owner of SunPluse and asked him for SPDs and he won't give them, he says you can't compare lamps by SPD and he's right (kind of; that's a longer story). Anyway, he claimed to have many photobiologists and physicists working for him. Thus I asked to speak with one of them, or for their email; to each question he refused...I say stay far away! I like that the lamps are pulse-start vs probe-start but other than that I wouldn't spend money on them. Once I buy my spectroradiometer I told him I was going to make SPDs of his lamps and post them everywhere I can. The SunPluse could be worth it but due to the fact the owner refuses to give any useful info I say don't bother.
HTH
Yea it's a myth that plants don't use green light, they use it better than blue or red. It has to due with the color of the leafs. Green light has much deeper penetration into the canopy (then blue or red) which is another reason I like the Hortilux Blue: it will better irradiate the lower buds/leafs than will a other HID lamps with less green than the Hortilux Blue.
I could go on and on about green photons but I am kinda tired now. The myth comes from the well known and misused chlorophyll A and B absorption spectra (wrongly used by LED makers most often) which shows peak chlorophyll absorption in blue and red. Problem being that was found with an aqueous extract from a leaf in virto (in a spectrophotometer)! Thus that absorption spectra doesn't show what happens to/from photons in vivo (i.e. the plant/leaf in it's real growing environment). We need to use PAS (Photosynthesis Action Spectra), but even that needed to be updated (and was been last year). Please see the "LED vs HID" thread for so much more info I posted to make your eyes bleed
I really don't like SunPluse at all! Mostly the owner (Chris?) is a total asshole and doesn't have the level of knowledge he should have (IMO). SunPluse rates their lamps with Kelvin which more stupid than rating plant lamps by lumens or watts. I once called the owner of SunPluse and asked him for SPDs and he won't give them, he says you can't compare lamps by SPD and he's right (kind of; that's a longer story). Anyway, he claimed to have many photobiologists and physicists working for him. Thus I asked to speak with one of them, or for their email; to each question he refused...I say stay far away! I like that the lamps are pulse-start vs probe-start but other than that I wouldn't spend money on them. Once I buy my spectroradiometer I told him I was going to make SPDs of his lamps and post them everywhere I can. The SunPluse could be worth it but due to the fact the owner refuses to give any useful info I say don't bother.
HTH
