SUICIDE

[Guest]

Well, ....being nice and staying on topic here.

It's not the actual act of suicide, but one's value of life it's self. For example, if you disvalued your life so much that you decided to end it, then why should eternal life be offered? As you had no value for your life and ended it. I believe this to be the same case of a killer. One whom kills for the sake of killing, has no value for another's life why should anyone(thing) else value the killers life as they had no value for the life of others? You deny them life, so thus you are denied enternal life.

In retropect, in your scenario, if one ended their life to save the lives of others then they placed life at a high value - so much, they would end their own so others may live. In that case, certainly one would be rewarded with eternal life. As they valued life and the life of others - so life they get. This can be true of a reluctant killer - such as someone forced to kill to save lives (i.e. killing a madman whom just came in to kill everyone in the building or something - you kill him to stop him from killing others).

Just some thoughts to toke on.

 

[NoNameNoshame]

I think most feel angry and a natural feeling of punishment a s they did in their life, regardless of how they died from a cause of death......aside from feelings and experience at time of death.

 

[jojajico]

now here is a brain fucker... what if the person is seriously mentally ill and kills themself. i mean like they see shit and things talk to them and their brain chemistry is all out of whack. then they kill themselves.....

 

[Nikijad4210]

the whole afterlife thing just says that humans think they are so special. We don't think chimps and giraffs go to a heaven, at least most people wouldn't say so. So it's only humans that have a soul and all the other animals on the planet are just robots/ food for us.

I agree there, Yum. A human gets turned into roadkill & it's a tragedy, but it's a squirrel or a 'coon, no one cares. Kill a human, and it's an atrocity, but crush a mosquito or a roach, and it's just ridding yourself of a pest. Humans hold human life FAR higher up than any other lifeform walking/crawling/flying/slithering/swimming around this planet.
I find it utterly hilarious that the religious can tout themselves as the better of the specie, and preach humane treatment of other humans, but at the same time, I've yet to come across any passage in any bible version anywhere that says to do the same to other forms of life.

As far as I'm concerned with suicide, I think it's just as selfish for an individual to expect someone suffering mentally to put up with what's driving their desire to skip this crappy chapter of existance. You're born, you live, some reproduce, everyone dies. Who the hell cares how, we're all going to dissolve into something else not human (cremation, buried, etc) in the end.
I don't think life is any divine test at all. I don't think it's anything but a stage in evolutionary development. We all carry an electrical current, that current never dies, it transfers elsewhere. We're over 90% water-based lifeforms, that water never disappears, it transfers back into nature one way or the other.

Next time a thunderstorm kicks up, to hell with god, wonder how many individuals' mild currents could have made up that powerful bolt (sans other animals, for sake of argument) Wonder how many different folks might be combined in one droplet of rain. The same can be said for each snowflake in the winter. The next time you have a handful of dirt, wonder how many creatures, from humans to bugs to animals, have decayed & become part of the handful of ground.
Life is a continuing cycle, neverending from single cells to complex humans through reproduction & growth to death & decay. Humans are nothing special.


And Yummy, this is one to chew on that you might appreciate----If god only made Adam & Eve to start out the human race, and they only had 2 sons, how did Cain and Abel have kids? Common sense dictates either Adam and Eve had some daughters, or the boys banged mama.
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Something reaks of incest there either way. And remember, the bible doesn't uphold incest, it deplores it.

 

[Yummybud]

well a lot of people (religious) are also against the science of evolution. Evolution basicly explains that humans are just a branch of the animal kingdom and we are the smartest animals, largest brain/ mental capacity but we aren't necessarily superior but obviously we would like to think so.

also our closest relatives in the animal kingdom are the apes, like chimps, 98% percent the same. But many humans (Africa) regularly kill and eat chimps and just see them as another animal.....

I'm doing a paper right now on chimps and how they actually have "culture" which is similar to early humans.

chimps use stones and tools similar to early human species did.

 

[Yummybud]

Well acording to the bible, the world is also much younger and humans are much younger than science tells us..... so obviously it's bullshit. (at least to me).

I don't think science can explain everything though. I'm somewhat spiritual. I've always wondered how everything came to be, sure I believe that everything on our planet started from single celled organisms etc but where did the universe come from and what the hell is the universe and who or what created it.

I think there is a "God" but I don't think god is a human or something we can even imagine. Maybe god is the Universe or whatever created or holds the universe......

now I"m confused

 

[Yummybud]

As far as suicide, I've thought about it before like when I was depressed and shit but I don't think I'd ever do it not because I'm scared of dying but it would basicly make me a murderer because I'd wreck my entire families lives forever and my mom would probably get a heart attack and die from it.

if I didn't have a family then I'd probably kill myself if I was in a situation that I felt like that's what I wanted.

I also don't believe in an afterlife...... I hope there is one, because that would mean we all live forever and that's what we like to thing. but I'm pretty sure once you're dead, you're dead, you don't exist anymore, and that's hard to imagine for most people and it can be frightening. Most people would rather imagine themselves as ghost floating around than not existing.

What makes, you, you is your brain and the information stored in there. Once you die your brain dies too, there isn't going to be some magical power that come out of your body and travel to heaven. once you die, however you become energy, our body contains, electrical currency, organic matter etc that gets released into the earth.

I'm not really claiming to know anything, just what I think.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

why does everyone come down on the atheists?

You religious types are the arrogant ones if you ask me. Just because you believe in this god, seems to have given you a false sense of superiority and a mindset that everything in the universe revolves around you, the only intelligent life and gods favorite. You use this as an excuse to kill the planet, commit heinous acts such as genocide, slavery and murder just to name a few. all in the name of god. What arrogance to think were the only planet in the whole universe with life on it, and the hypocrisy. Dont even get me started on the hypocrisy that is exhibited by every single religious, god fearing type ive ever run across. Telling me to be like jesus and do good then you go home and eat your succulent meals, in your mansions with your furs while people on the other side of the planet are dying by the millions from disease and famine caused by your greed.

Yes im an atheist, and im proud of it. I dont feel the need to rub it in anyones faces, but i do feel i have the "god given right" (LOL) to state my opinion as a free individual.

 

[Guest]

PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DIE OF THEY WANT, IT JUST DEPENDS WHETHER THEY REALLY WANT TO DIE OR THEY JUST WANT ATTENTION WHICH IS THE CASE MOST OF THE TIME. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY YOU DIE THAT'LL AFFECT WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU AFTERWARDS, IT'S JUST THE MARK YOU LEAVE ON SOCIETY AND YOUR OFFSPRING THAT COUNTS.

 

[Guest]

SORRY for shouting.

 

[Devilock]

Its pretty simple one to understand if you know the slightest thing about what the bible says. Jesus died so you would be forgivin for all your sins. There for no matter what you do your gettin into heaven. Case closed. Peace and *bong* :friends:

 

[jojajico]

I agree there, Yum. A human gets turned into roadkill & it's a tragedy, but it's a squirrel or a 'coon, no one cares. Kill a human, and it's an atrocity, but crush a mosquito or a roach, and it's just ridding yourself of a pest. Humans hold human life FAR higher up than any other lifeform walking/crawling/flying/slithering/swimming around this planet.
I find it utterly hilarious that the religious can tout themselves as the better of the specie, and preach humane treatment of other humans, but at the same time, I've yet to come across any passage in any bible version anywhere that says to do the same to other forms of life.

As far as I'm concerned with suicide, I think it's just as selfish for an individual to expect someone suffering mentally to put up with what's driving their desire to skip this crappy chapter of existance. You're born, you live, some reproduce, everyone dies. Who the hell cares how, we're all going to dissolve into something else not human (cremation, buried, etc) in the end.
I don't think life is any divine test at all. I don't think it's anything but a stage in evolutionary development. We all carry an electrical current, that current never dies, it transfers elsewhere. We're over 90% water-based lifeforms, that water never disappears, it transfers back into nature one way or the other.

Next time a thunderstorm kicks up, to hell with god, wonder how many individuals' mild currents could have made up that powerful bolt (sans other animals, for sake of argument) Wonder how many different folks might be combined in one droplet of rain. The same can be said for each snowflake in the winter. The next time you have a handful of dirt, wonder how many creatures, from humans to bugs to animals, have decayed & become part of the handful of ground.
Life is a continuing cycle, neverending from single cells to complex humans through reproduction & growth to death & decay. Humans are nothing special.


And Yummy, this is one to chew on that you might appreciate----If god only made Adam & Eve to start out the human race, and they only had 2 sons, how did Cain and Abel have kids? Common sense dictates either Adam and Eve had some daughters, or the boys banged mama.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Something reaks of incest there either way. And remember, the bible doesn't uphold incest, it deplores it.

dont confuse religion with christianity....

 

[Guest]

I would not say humans are nothing special..its the power to rationalize and love that sets us apart from the thousands of other species on this planet. Out of respect from your thread, i will just say this...to some of you it might just be a past time to debate suicide..but for some people its a brutal reality that can tear the hearts of loved ones apart...

 

[o.gkushowns]

You religious types are the arrogant ones if you ask me

im sorry but in general you athesiests are the arrogant ones. we have never (on this forum) said: "GOd exists and if you dont believe it your a moron".

however you guys (well not you personally) have said and i qoute to the best of my memory: "GOd does not exist and if you think he does your an idiot"

peace

 

[Sinfuldreams]

Where does the Bible say this?
To kill your self would of been a sin in those days... That didn't mean hell, and no one talks about Hell in the Bible anyway? Has anyone read it?
If a man killed himself there would be no more offspring in His Line, that was a BAD thing...also masturbation...that sperm was to be for making babies only!
Whith populations so low and childhood death rates unheard of today...every birth counted. The Geneology of the Family was so ultra important then.. not like today.
Men wrote these LAWS to make life easier on the WHOLE GROUP, the Point of Caine and Able, is to show that Ables Line was not allowed to continue.
In Order to have the Messia Born, he HAD to come from the unspoiled Geneology of Adam and Eve! If you read close you will see that Caine is NOT of Adam.. even though he is of Eve.

If there is a God of the Bible then No killing your self to save others is not a sin.
I like to think if it came down to it, I'd throw my body on a hand granade so save my buddies.
By the way.. Jesus never talked about a HELL, it don't exist!

Sin

 

[Wisconsinsmoker]

^^ what about when it says after jesus died he descended into hell and after 3 days he acesended into heaven?

 

[Sinfuldreams]

Need Chapter and Vers.

Need Chapter and Vers.

^^ what about when it says after jesus died he descended into hell and after 3 days he acesended into heaven?

Other wise it's just hear say.

like Money is the root of all evil.... didn't say that either

Sin

 

[Guest]

far as imconcerned we experience exactly what we did before we were born: NOTHING.

our feelings, our thoughts, our sensations, all of it is the result of chemical and mechanical energy. once the mechanics stop, and the chemicals stop functioning together, it's just total nothing-ness - just like it was before birth.