Stumped

[stinkyattic]

Please forgive the temporary thread-jack; I feel this begs a response:

stinkyattic,
my tap water is 8.5 to 9. After watering, soil PH drops to 7.5 or 6 during a period of few hours.

If your tap water is 9, and your soil shows 7 AFTER watering, you can be certain you have RAISED the soil pH by watering it, not dropped it. If you were pouring RO through there I'll bet you'd see that your soil is 6 or even lower.

It all has to do with the concentration of water as it evaporates and/or gets sucked by the roots.

pH is a function of the activity of H+ ions in the water that is there.

Who said anything about old sacks of soil?

Simply in reference to buffering. Even GOOD soil loses buffering capacity over time indoors. The post to which I replied clearly states that soil will adjust its own pH. This is simply false.

and why this attitude

No attitude, just clearing up a couple misconceptions. It's a plant problems forum. Excuse me for not breaking it to ya gentler...

 

[HeadyPete]

Peat has a ph of 3-4. If you used coco (ph 6) instead of peat in your soil your tap water would be too high and your soil ph would be around 8, also too high. It is just lucky that your high tap water and low peat soil mix even out, and luckier still that you do not need to adjust ph. It is possible, but only because of coincidence and I always advocate knowing and adjusting ph. If you have a system that works, great, just hope nothing changes in that setup or you may have trouble finding out why if you don't know your ph.

Any ph over about 7 is detrimental to the plant. Also, ph swings are not appreciated by the plant. It should be 6.5 for soil and stay there as close as possible.

Very good info, Stinky, btw!

Stitch I know I've been a slacker lately....

cheers.

 

[MynameStitch]

lol we still love ya petey

 

[Stoned Cold]

tO stinkeatick:

hey man! I reed all you stuff and you ar smartt. can you mabe tell me why the leafs are yello and has wite stuff on top of the dert?

 

[R.A.]

hi everyone,

stinkyattic:

1. Raised or Dropped? that is your problem? The point is to keep it between 6 to 7.

2. Originally Posted by R.A.
"It all has to do with the concentration of water as it evaporates and/or gets sucked by the roots."
Your comment
"pH is a function of the activity of H+ ions in the water that is there."

Thanks for the proof




3. When you water your plant, SOIL PH will fluctuate. Even your previous comment shows that. wtf? I never said to use crap soil. Where did this come from?
Man or woman, you really like playing with wordz.

4. Your Comment:
"No attitude, just clearing up a couple misconceptions. It's a plant problems forum. Excuse me for not breaking it to ya gentler... "

Don't worry about it. It's ok to be an ass...

HeadyPete: "Very good info, Stinky, btw!"
Why? stop encouraging him/her.

Your Comment:
"It is just lucky that your high tap water and low peat soil mix even out, and luckier still that you do not need to adjust ph."

I am the luckiest man on earth. In ten (10) years of indoor grows i never had PH problems.

Hey people, let me ask you this. Why do you think 99% of plants need a PH of 6 to 7?

Hint: it was not their choise.

MyNameIsS: You based the "who to believe", on a phrase that makes perfect sense.
Stop emparacing your self. Get to the facts, if you know what you are talking about.

Your Comment:
"This post is coming from the same guy who says to water your plants everyday...... who are ya going to believe?

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....385#post1342385


R.A.

a well drained pot will never kill a plant.
No matter how much water you pour. Much like the rain. It can rain for days but plants can take it.

It's the drainage people.

Hell you can water your plants everyday if you like. In fact, this is my way of sending oxygen down the roots. You can even listen water poping as air is sucked down.


P.S. I don't expect you to answer. Let this thread alone. i am

 

[stinkyattic]

Your comment
"pH is a function of the activity of H+ ions in the water that is there."
Thanks for the proof

Don't worry about it. It's ok to be an ass...

P.S. I don't expect you to answer. Let this thread alone. i am

re: proof-
Here's a little light reading on pH as a chemistry concept:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH

re: ass-
You get what you dish out bro. I look forward to you putting me on iggy.

re: leaving the thread alone-
Thank you.

 

[R.A.]

stinkyattic:

tried to PM you but i can't send PMs yet.

So one last post.

showing a wiki link as your source of info, strips away your post's credibility.

Try this (explains what i talk about): http://www.umass.edu/umext/floriculture/fact_sheets/greenhouse_management/waterph.html

Comes from a university page.

"I look forward to you putting me on iggy" ??? what is iggy?

I would have never posted for so long if i could pm you people.
i suggest the same to you.

it would be nicer to resolve this through PMs and let the person who made the mistake to simply edit their answer.

Be practical through theory. Don't just practice theories.

Going to smoke. Do the same

 

[stinkyattic]

RA, I'm not trying to be an ass, and I'm not happy to be called one, or accused of having an attitude. I'm not going to call you names in return, but I think you are out of line.

I'm used to not being able to edit posts past 5 minutes, or even HAVE a PM function at all; it's important IMO to try to keep the info posted correct, visible to all members, and applicable to the average grower... Perhaps you've got GREAT luck with high water and low soil effectively coming to a nice equilibrium in your desired range. That's fine, but not all of us have your luck.

I put up that wiki link as a very simple explanation of pH- the simplest I could find.
It's neat which University's ag department you went to for your own link actually. I've seen it before, lol. Hell, the box that my last air-cooled hood came in ultimately landed about a hundred feet from the building that it was written in.

Out of all of this, the one thing that really angers me is the order to go smoke.
I'm already calm. I use my medication for other things.
That suggestion is inherently insulting.

 

[R.A.]

your dankness,

you are definetly not an ass, you know i didn't mean it.

Also, i cancel the order "to smoke". it was more voluntary than a command.

i hate making other people feel bad so no more comments from me.
browsing the photos on this site is enough for me.

so like UncleBen used to say: Grow on. (this is an order)

 

[stinkyattic]

Thanks RA, day like today I'd love to go smoke too- over at the UMass greenhouses in fact, there's a nice westerly view of the CT river valley and pretty sunsets- sadly campus is overrun by undergrads for another 3 hours or so. Patience...
Grow on. Word.

 

[Stoned Cold]

R.A:

IF any of this was meant in 'good humor', you've done an AWEFUL job expressing yourself. When you post a question, generally you dont know the answer, so when someone offers you some help, APPRECIATE IT. Why edit a posted question? Arent there many more people who will have the same Q, and be able to benefit from the answer? The only thing about you that makes sense to me is that you feel you've got something to prove, or are ashamed of being an inexperienced grower. BEING a noob, myself, I highly reccomend showing a little more respect.

Good luck with your grow!

 

[MynameStitch]

Funny; not to be an ass R.A. You registered here in June 06 and it is now Nov 07 and you have 20 posts.... where were ya that whole time?

MyNameIsS: You based the "who to believe", on a phrase that makes perfect sense.
Stop emparacing your self. Get to the facts, if you know what you are talking about.

I do not get involved into something unless I know completely what I am talking about and I know I am right; I do not like to make myself look like a stupid ass; ( even though I do it by all the typos and mis-spelled words, but I assure you I know how to spell and type)

These people in these threads I have known for a while... some of them years and I have never seen them give out piss poor advice nor sprout out bad information, they always back up there information with solid proof; you on the other hand have only given me words; everyone else in this thread has posted proof in one post or another.

I am not trying to be an ass like I have stated; I am letting you know why my reasons were; we all pitch in around here helping out new growers; we all do not have too you know; we all do it for the love of the plant, the more people growing the better it is for all of us. I for one value friendship, but if someone is wrong regardless of who they are and I have proof I am going to say something, so this is the nicest I can put this without going into being a "bitch"

You are the last person to make me feel bad...... Another thing.... around here it seems this site attracts people with bad info and no gallery's (BV and others)

Another reason why I take my time is; many people does not matter medical or rec of the herb.... people rely on there plants to help them feel better dude; you going around saying you can water your plants everyday someone or many may believe this and do this and kill there plants...... then they make a thread about it and people will flame them for watering everyday...... just because it so called worked for you DOES not mean it will for others, not all strains love to be drowned day in and day out.
So enough now cause I am ranting!

I hope you understand why I said what I did and why I believe my friends over you

Thank you for your co-operation.