Strange Slime buildup on roots

[ItsGrowTime]

If you're talking to me, I already said I don't have the slime and never have. I have no reason to suspect that Hygrozyme will cause a problem in my setup, but since it has been discussed in here directly and several people have shared their experience it seemed like a good place to ask.

I'm asking if I could pull water from my reservoir, mix Hygrozyme, run a pump and airstone, and wait to see if it causes adverse problems that are described in this thread. If hygrozyme will be a catalyst for the outbreak it should occur regardless of whether it is being used at that time to feed a plant, correct?

So you want to experiment? It's worth a shot and not hard to do. The real measure would be to put a plant in there since the slime attaches to the roots first. If you really want to piss the slime off just add a dash of carbs along with the Hygrozyme! Let us know the results if you do it.

Your second question Im not sure of the answer because Im not clear on your question. Can you rephrase?
eta: Wait I think I get it. You have never had a slime issue but you're thinking about adding Hygrozyme to your res and want to see if the slime shows up after adding the Hygro. Right? I don't think it will. I have triggered the slime without using Hygrozyme just by having organic matter in the water (root bits from transplanting) before inoculating the roots. Slime showed up fast just from the organics alone. If you haven't had the slime by now then you probably won't with Hygro. The slime usually shows up very fast in my fresh res mixes. Are you running 100% chemical nutes? If so, the Hygro might trigger it but I honestly doubt it.

 

[Indecent]

So you want to experiment? It's worth a shot and not hard to do. The real measure would be to put a plant in there since the slime attaches to the roots first. If you really want to piss the slime off just add a dash of carbs along with the Hygrozyme! Let us know the results if you do it.

Will do. The Hygrozyme is on the way, I'll post back in here with my results.

Your second question Im not sure of the answer because Im not clear on your question. Can you rephrase?
eta: Wait I think I get it. You have never had a slime issue but you're thinking about adding Hygrozyme to your res and want to see if the slime shows up after adding the Hygro. Right? I don't think it will. I have triggered the slime without using Hygrozyme just by having organic matter in the water (root bits from transplanting) before inoculating the roots. Slime showed up fast just from the organics alone. If you haven't had the slime by now then you probably won't with Hygro. The slime usually shows up very fast in my fresh res mixes. Are you running 100% chemical nutes? If so, the Hygro might trigger it but I honestly doubt it.

You are correct in what I was trying to ask. Thanks for posting your experience, I appreciate it. I figured it was a small chance of having the slime come out of nowhere, but your reassurances will help me rest easier. Thanks again!

 

[richyrich]

ItGrowTime is spot on.

 

[StealthyStalks]

There has been speculation that Hygrozyme can cause an outbreak of brown algae. It looks like I have the beginning of some root rot and wanted to use Hygrozyme to help take care of some of the dead roots/plant material.

With this in mind, does anyone think it would be possible to take a gallon or so from the main reservoir, add hygrozyme and a recirc pump to it, and wait a day or so to see if there is any algae growth? If it is reacting to algae spores in the water it might be a way to see if it is a problem without causing slime buildup in all the buckets.

Does anyone think this would be a good way to see if hygrozyme will be a problem in my system?

If you already have root rot caused by pythium the addition of Hygrozyme will just exacerbate the problem. Hygrozyme works as a catalyst for beneficials as well as the nasties, so it should only be added to a healthy system. If you have pythium then treat your systen with Physan-20. Physan-20 is the greatest non-phytotoxic sterilizer around. I am really surprised we don't hear of it much in the cannabis circles seeing that it is huge in the greenhouse industry.


But yes, you could set up a separate system with nutes and Hygrozyme to see if an outbreak of brown algae results.

EDIT: I didn't see that ItsGrowTime already answered your question. Sorry!

 

[gembob]

Is this dookie smot brown algea?

Is this dookie smot brown algea?

I have a problem with my DWC and I was wondering if you guys think this is brown algea? I can't tell if the white stuff towards the top of the root system and actually on the roots is new growth or something nasty? Plants are definitely stunted and you can see the crap built up on the bottom of the net pot. Also, I've been going through air stones unbelievably fast because they get coated with the slime and stop generating any bubbles. Res definitely smells like shite as well. The res water isn't too dark, and up top the plant doesn't look too bad except for being waaay behind where it should be. I don't know the res temp, but the room hasn't gotten above 78 and it typically around 75 and at the lowest 62 at night. I'm using Age Old Grow, organic, with Beatie Bloomz, Liquid Karma and Sensizyme. Seems like Sensi could have some of the same effects as hygrozyme? Also seems like LK is being used by a lot of people with this problem. Let me know what you guys think this is....

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Looks like it's probably the slime. That root staining looks pretty familiar though the LK causes some staining. If you can see the slime on the airstone then thats a good clue. It's all the organic stuff you're adding, plus the enzymes that's triggering it. Inoculate fresh clones and seedlings with beneficial bacteria in the future FIRST before adding any nutes and/or supplements.

 

[gembob]

Ok, so I assume I should use the physan 20 to help recover? Is the white fuzzy stuff just new growth?

 

[ItsGrowTime]

The roots don't look all that bad now actually. Physan will wipe out the last of the slime spores but your plants are going to be stunted regardless, especially if you're already flowering. If you're still vegging then they might recover completely but it'll take a good while longer than if they were healthy from the start.

 

[philosopher1]

Brown Algae comment for richie rich

Brown Algae comment for richie rich

I started to get this shit a few grows ago in an aeroponic table i made. I added some Myco Madness and humboldt roots from humboldt nutrients. When I looked up Brown Algae on wikipedia one species of them is called ascophyllum nodosum which is one of the ingredients in the humboldt roots. But is calls the stuff ascophyllum nodosum kelp. I have found this to be an ingredient in many of these beneficial bacteria products, listed as a kelp.

 

[philosopher1]

Thanks RichyRich And Everyone For all the Hard Work

Thanks RichyRich And Everyone For all the Hard Work

This is only my second post I am new to the community. I have been around benefiting from the knowledge. I wanted to say thanks to all the dedicated growers and richyrich for the info. In my first post I brought up the name Ascophyllum Nodosum kelp. It is an ingredient in many of the new beneficial products. I read on wikipedia that it is important in industry and has long been a source of nutes for plants. My thought is with 1500 species of brown algae could it be possible that they harvested kelp with some othe species of brown algae on them? If so we are putting them right in little oceans in our hydro setups. I also read on the net that brown algae grows in low light conditions and it loves nitrates and silicates. If anyone has any thoughts on this please post them. I would like to determine an origin and may be save others from the depression this shit can cause. Thanks

 

[CannabisTHC]

Wow took me like 3 days to read this whole thread but I've got it all in my head now. Thanks richyrich and ItsGrowTime.

Physan 20 is on the way, and I've already been using EWC tea in my Aerocloner and Bubble cloner.

Its amazing how patient you guys are, theres some incredibly ridiculous people that keep on stating/asking the same things and clutter this thread. I would have definitely been much ruder than you guys.

Thanks for the great info!!!

 

[ItsGrowTime]

This is only my second post I am new to the community. I have been around benefiting from the knowledge. I wanted to say thanks to all the dedicated growers and richyrich for the info. In my first post I brought up the name Ascophyllum Nodosum kelp. It is an ingredient in many of the new beneficial products. I read on wikipedia that it is important in industry and has long been a source of nutes for plants. My thought is with 1500 species of brown algae could it be possible that they harvested kelp with some othe species of brown algae on them? If so we are putting them right in little oceans in our hydro setups. I also read on the net that brown algae grows in low light conditions and it loves nitrates and silicates. If anyone has any thoughts on this please post them. I would like to determine an origin and may be save others from the depression this shit can cause. Thanks

Interesting find you have made. I wouldn't be surprised if you're correct. I do know for a fact that the slime shows up in my systems even with tap water only (just add organics) and I don't use the products you mentioned, but it is an interesting possibility. Keep researching this if you're up to it. Your findings are proving useful already.

 

[robertmarley]

Will do. The Hygrozyme is on the way, I'll post back in here with my results.


You are correct in what I was trying to ask. Thanks for posting your experience, I appreciate it. I figured it was a small chance of having the slime come out of nowhere, but your reassurances will help me rest easier. Thanks again!

I had the hygrozyme save my grow back on my first ever DWC run.. where I had a light leak turn into algae problems and drown the roots out..

Since, dealing with the horde, it didnt do shit.


I'm real tempted to give it another go.. just on a super small scale. I think that the algae shit whatever may have developed in my feed line off my RO or something, maybe something is thriving inside the RO filter who knows.. but i'm so tempted to go another shot by UV'ing the water first then running hyox throughout the grow

 

[OMountainMix]

How do you clean your gear? We have bottle brushes for all pipes/lines and we soak everything in hot water and clean with anti-bacterial soap. We have tried using bleach in the past and it killed everything for several runs until all the bleach had been sapped out of the plastic. Are you sure that you are getting everything really and truly clean between runs??

 

[robertmarley]

Bleach usually. Guess I could try switch that up.

My local hydro store finally got some food grade perox again. I'm tempted to bust out the old cloner again and give it another whirl.

I dont think i seen this anywhere in this thread before but, why not run the UV in the cloner? in theory thats the one place that thing should work stellar no? flowing water where no nutrient is required..

 

[richyrich]

Bleach usually. Guess I could try switch that up.

My local hydro store finally got some food grade perox again. I'm tempted to bust out the old cloner again and give it another whirl.

I dont think i seen this anywhere in this thread before but, why not run the UV in the cloner? in theory thats the one place that thing should work stellar no? flowing water where no nutrient is required..

If you were to do this, I would suggest running water top ups through UV in a clean bucket, etc., prior to adding it to the cloner. I see no reason for it not to work. In a single contained unit I see success. In a ebb n flow set up--a separate tray where roots are and a separate rez where the UV is--things get tougher.

 

[grapeman]

Just thought I'd give cudos to richyrich and itsgrowtime for this thread. I've been following the evolution of the solution and this is one of the most informative threads here on ic.

Sure helped me simply recognize and resolve a recurring problem.

 

[robertmarley]

If you were to do this, I would suggest running water top ups through UV in a clean bucket, etc., prior to adding it to the cloner. I see no reason for it not to work. In a single contained unit I see success. In a ebb n flow set up--a separate tray where roots are and a separate rez where the UV is--things get tougher.

I meant to run the UV in the cloner itself.. should be fool proof, work every time

 

[richyrich]

I meant to run the UV in the cloner itself.. should be fool proof, work every time

I understood. . .

Rephrased--if you have to add water to the cloner at any time while you have clones in it, then run the water to be added in a bucket with UV first before it goes in the cloner.

 

[FLoJo]

i have lost a good chunk of clones recently too in my ez.. lost about 120 in the last week or so lol!!

so basically i did what you said RR, cleaned everything with P20, i brewed up the ewc tea, put a heat mat under my ez res, with a temp controller, and set it to 80.. i added in the ewc tea after 18 hours, but it wasnt foaming or anything.. also i didnt reintroduce due to being out of town.. also added rooting hormones to the water, and dipped the cuts in roottech gel.

anyways, came back, today is day 8, and some stems have bumps, some are brown and squishy, and some look really odd... the stems have become bulgy and white, splitting open.. its the wierdest looking thing! ever heard of this??

anyone know why this would happen? is it a precursor to mad rootage?

anyways, the tops are starting to yellow, so im hoping they are trying to root but we shall see.. im wondering if these gdps just dont like the ez LOL!

anyways, ill give it 4 or 5 more days, and if i dont see any roots, ill guess ill have to start over lol