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Spider mites and raw neem oil: let's roll.
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He also didn't listen to clack when he was told the recipe on the bottle of dyna-grow is wrong. In fact, their own website disagrees with it.
Later on, he got the recipe right, and took the crucial step of setting up alarms on ical, so he sprayed at a predetermined interval meant to coincide with the mite life cycle. In between and quite often, he misted the plants, because mites hate moist conditions. They like things hot and dry.
Later on he found out his dad does the same thing with soap when he gets them in the fall from bringing in plants, with the same results. So I would urge people to try plain soap and water with a strict schedule. Next time I get mites I am doing just that, with pics. When you look up spider mites on gardening or plant care sites, it's not listed as a difficult pest to control. But the plan must be followed to the letter, not approximated. Miss one spraying and it doesn't work.
Floramite sounds harder to use than neem oil, and if it kills stuff I don't want to spray it. I won't do any spraying until i see the little white dots. Then I will spray neem oil (soap only next time) according to schedule, and relax. Because it worked like a charm for me. Then I spotted a few more, resumed treatment, and they haven't come back since before veg.
There is a thread I started on the proper way to mix up neem oil for spraying. It's worth taking a look. I also test out an alternative emulsifier that is sort of organic. It's all with pics so you can see the results of the different methods.
Darc, do mantids eat spider mites? Maybe as a spice?
FYI, if you go the predator mite route, you can't also use neem.
cc
you have the greatest links and really know what your talking about!!
Them people at Naomi's Organic Farm Supply were extremely helpful and gave me a discount for being patient!! Thanks much bud
i usually get all my insects for free from nature but ill check them out for sure
the manitids come every know and then, leaving egg sacks that i collect
the beetles i found up on a hike, there were millions no trillions of lady bugs just kicking it so i grabbed a few hand fulls.
i find egg sacks laid by them as well in my garden..they like to lay eggs on my fennel allot and sometimes garlic..i use to kill the larvae before I knew they were good guys..
and mantids can be raised indoors as a pet, you just need food
how to care for mantis with pictures
mad L
they eat almost anything that can fit in ther mouth, the babies will go to town on a mite infestation
you have the greatest links and really know what your talking about!!
Them people at Naomi's Organic Farm Supply were extremely helpful and gave me a discount for being patient!! Thanks much bud
i usually get all my insects for free from nature but ill check them out for sure
the manitids come every know and then, leaving egg sacks that i collect
the beetles i found up on a hike, there were millions no trillions of lady bugs just kicking it so i grabbed a few hand fulls.
i find egg sacks laid by them as well in my garden..they like to lay eggs on my fennel allot and sometimes garlic..i use to kill the larvae before I knew they were good guys..
and no the lady bugs wont just die, they will fly away to look for more food, thats why i suggest the younger larvae, i think they eat more but i could be wrong.
and mantids can be raised indoors as a pet, you just need food
how to care for mantis with pictures
mad L
they eat almost anything that can fit in ther mouth, the babies will go to town on a mite infestation
lol I can see them snorting mites like coke.
Mad
Floramite is a product for the horticulture industry, i.e. non-food crops.
It's a poison that takes over 3 weeks to break down. In some areas of the world it requires a special license to buy and apply - Oregon is one of those.
It's not suitable for using in a douche-bag on circus animals. It's crap - pure and simple. It's for people growing 'dope' and little else.
It's also the sign of a piss-poor grower who couldn't find their asshole with a SWAT team and a search-warrant.
YMMV
CC
ouch...
Mile Hi Dave
Member
Ok...after reading this entire post, I still don't know how late into flower NEEM can be used? Also, I have 2 strains growing and the mites seem to like one (White Widow) over the other (Killa Kush)...so do I spray all the plants anyways?
I've used "pyrethium" bombs as late as 5 weeks into flower without any bad taste in the buds, but don't like using it after week 5. I bombed 5 days ago and want to go in now and spray NEEM for the eggs/larvae that may have survived. Will the Neem Oil affect the taste at this point in flower?
How many predators so you think I would need for this?
I've used "pyrethium" bombs as late as 5 weeks into flower without any bad taste in the buds, but don't like using it after week 5. I bombed 5 days ago and want to go in now and spray NEEM for the eggs/larvae that may have survived. Will the Neem Oil affect the taste at this point in flower?
How many predators so you think I would need for this?
NUG-JUG
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Mile Hi Dave- I had to neem at around week 5 this past run since I didn't lickem in veg. I used a very light amount (1tsp. per gallon) with some dish soap, and sprayed the plants with plain water for a few days after that. I didn't notice any peanutty neem tastes. Spray them all so they don't migrate to the other ones.
Spraying daily with plain water on the undersides especially is what I'm doing now in flower and it works better that a one-time bomb imo. They just can't handle being knocked around all the time, and wet leaves on a healthy plant won't scorch from light.
Spraying daily with plain water on the undersides especially is what I'm doing now in flower and it works better that a one-time bomb imo. They just can't handle being knocked around all the time, and wet leaves on a healthy plant won't scorch from light.
Mile Hi Dave
Member
Thx...I think I am ok now....check the girls out and saw nothing that resembled movement. The bomb is good for 3000cf and my room is about 800, lol....so them bitches best be dead!! Then I neemed the piss outta them right as lights went out...just extended the light period with a shop light for an xtra half hr. I got them real good with a pressurized spray from the undersides...easily knocked any eggs off, if there were any. will hit em again in 3 days and I think they will be ok...I'm just a lil anal...and it's my fuckin fault for not dipping and quaratining them...
don't be hard on yourself. You don't need dipping or other heroism to beat mites. You just have to stick to the schedule.
Mile Hi Dave
Member
Cleanliness is next to godliness....and I failed on my end to keep my garden sterile...that IS my fault!!
Let it be a lesson to all....dip and pretreat your clones...no matter how much you trust their source!!!!
if you are trying to keep your garden sterile - maybe try organic instead!
In nature, sterility is always the result of cataclysm, and MJ is no pioneer plant.
In nature, sterility is always the result of cataclysm, and MJ is no pioneer plant.
Mile Hi Dave
Member
Organics are not neccessarily "sterile". I do evrything I can to keep the room clean...it has NOTHING to do with organics/non-organics.....
NUG-JUG
Member
That was Mad's point as far as I understood it. You can deal with the natural ebb and flow of pests more easily with a living organic system. Cleanliness is next to godliness...but only in hydro.
The word we are looking for is diversity.
Did you know predator mites can hitchhike on your shoes?
Seriously spidermites are so easy to treat, why have all these meaningless rituals? Seems i always hear about mite problems from people who go to great lengths to keep them out. The rest seem to take the time to learn how to control them. it's easy!
look on any pest control site. the rating for mites and PM, the two biggest MJ pests - Easy-medium difficulty. But they are addressing mostly non-stoners who can stick to a spray schedule with their neem oil. Or just soap.
1)determine the pest with positive ID
2)determine the life cycle (3-6 days or so with mites - depends on temperature)
3)choose the least lethal control (soap and water or water only)
4)if that fails, pick the next least lethal control.
Technique: if the lifecycle is 5 days, that is your schedule. Every 5th day (or 4 even) you spray. Did you miss a day? Then you fucked up and you have to start over. 2-4 weeks your mites are gone. Then maybe you see a few in a couple weeks (check the lower leaves every day for white spots), now do the cycle again, but not as long.
The idea is very inelegant: you crash the population by taking out all adults before they lay.
Did you know predator mites can hitchhike on your shoes?
Seriously spidermites are so easy to treat, why have all these meaningless rituals? Seems i always hear about mite problems from people who go to great lengths to keep them out. The rest seem to take the time to learn how to control them. it's easy!
look on any pest control site. the rating for mites and PM, the two biggest MJ pests - Easy-medium difficulty. But they are addressing mostly non-stoners who can stick to a spray schedule with their neem oil. Or just soap.
1)determine the pest with positive ID
2)determine the life cycle (3-6 days or so with mites - depends on temperature)
3)choose the least lethal control (soap and water or water only)
4)if that fails, pick the next least lethal control.
Technique: if the lifecycle is 5 days, that is your schedule. Every 5th day (or 4 even) you spray. Did you miss a day? Then you fucked up and you have to start over. 2-4 weeks your mites are gone. Then maybe you see a few in a couple weeks (check the lower leaves every day for white spots), now do the cycle again, but not as long.
The idea is very inelegant: you crash the population by taking out all adults before they lay.
Mile Hi Dave
Member
Yes...I know I can bring critters in on my clothes and if you checked my threads, you would know I have a "Change Room" as well. Nothing from the outside comes in, if I can help it...
you misunderstood me. my fault though.
predator mites. as in, an MJ gardener's best friend. I was turning the conventional wisdom on its head, but I was also trying to be clever.
I should not try to be clever. Sorry. You can't see me winking.
My point is you can't keep them out no matter how hard you try. All you wind up doing is eliminating the good guys. And guess who does well when there are no good guys?
predator mites. as in, an MJ gardener's best friend. I was turning the conventional wisdom on its head, but I was also trying to be clever.
I should not try to be clever. Sorry. You can't see me winking.
My point is you can't keep them out no matter how hard you try. All you wind up doing is eliminating the good guys. And guess who does well when there are no good guys?
Now that I know Spinosad is effective used systemically, I think I may be done with stinkin old neem.
We have heard the old saying; "prevention is the best medicine" yes?
We have heard the old saying; "prevention is the best medicine" yes?
