South Africans roots

[MAHA KALA]

They are even using grow lights. What's wrong with African sunlight?

some lamp church? they believe in grow lights, that outdoor grown cant produce medicinal buds. amen.

 

[MAHA KALA]

mountain growing.

mountain growing.

Interesting mountainous growings and grade level quality...

Well i think that we can resume Lesotho, Kwazulu and Swazi as a same South African family and quality. Then separated by the British wave.

For the Swazi, Eswatini now, there is also a kind of grade level with the Red and Gold lines, and i would name a third one Swazi Black according its superior potent and dark taste, metallic gunpowder earthy, true poison vibes!

For sure Maha famers there need force to preserve their landrace gem, not easy so, let's be positive and wish them roots vibes and respect!

I think that some african mountains are very interesting, you can just walk up on the top without climbing.. some mountains can have more climate zones and microclimate within. wettest month in Manzini is December. 9,2 cm... there is a lot of humidity in December, around 70%. what is harvest time in Swaziland? May? humidity is around 50% which is not so dry.. least rain is in July. but it in Manzini only..https://templeworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Swaziland-Manzini2.jpg

 

[Roms]

Ya from different places different qualities i think and the altitude is a big factor, +altitude = +UV = +resin to protect the plant in principle.

About Eswatini/Swazi the Gold line seems to be less sensible to mold that the Red line, probably from different areas, altitude?

Recent field in kingdom of Eswatini, still be illegal but the king himself is growing some... Very rooted in their culture!

 

[Montuno]

The standard interpretation after the Human Genome Project is that:

a) The Bushmen/San have the oldest Y-chromosome haplogroup of all living humans, Haplogroup A.

b) The Spencer Wells (Genographic Project) interpretation is that the Bushmen are the oldest population group, that their universal features (Black, Asian, European) are the source of most variability today, and that this is because are closest to the original Homo Sapiens population that left Africa an archaeologically short 60,000 years ago.

Homo Sapiens has been around for 200,000 years, and apparently didn't interbreed with other contemporanious homonids.

It is clear that it is genetic diversity that is the key to adaptability to many different environments in a generalist species like Homo Sapiens.

Remember that racism and scientific racism depend on the Multi-Regional Theory of human evolution, in other words, modern humans arising out of long separated and highly genetically differentiated populations of homonids (Homo Erectus in Africa, Homo Neanderthalensis in Europe, etc.). The Genographic Project drove a stake through the heart of all that.

Hello.
It seems that our species has mixed with other hominids, apparently (Erectus, Neardental, Devisonian...).
But no more (I think) than 5% of its genome, is present in our species.
Health.

 

[Montuno]

Chaco, I have some Durban Poison and Swazi seeds. These came from African seeds. These are the same lines that Tropical seed Co are working with

Not so, I think.
Durban Poison'70, at least, was selected in South Africa by African herbman, and sent to Tropical Seeds Company in Spain to be more "worked"...

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=90902

https://www.tropicalseedscompany.com/shop/vip-store/106-durban-poison-70s.html

 

[MAHA KALA]

Ya from different places different qualities i think and the altitude is a big factor, +altitude = +UV = +resin to protect the plant in principle.

About Eswatini/Swazi the Gold line seems to be less sensible to mold that the Red line, probably from different areas, altitude?

Recent field in kingdom of Eswatini, still be illegal but the king himself is growing some... Very rooted in their culture!

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would love to smoke few spliffs with king haha your swazi has to be from dry area, if it doesnt like rain.. roms swazi grown by kagyu

 

[Roms]

Ya a fasciated interesting find by Chomba64 alias Kagyu, two more pics of the same plant... Vibes Maha, a mutant who probably come from a special polyploid mom of the 8 used for my F2s.




The mother :

 

[TanzanianMagic]

From a physiological and morphological point of view I find that these Khoïsan peoples eyes are slightly slanted, they are also small in stature, skin clearer too. Quite comparable to the peoples of the highlands of Madagascar and some types Indonesian or Papua New Guinea! I think it's interesting to study, a proto historical perspective.

The Khoisan are among the oldest non-admixed populations in the world, alongside the Pygmies and the Andamanese Islanders, basically beacause of their geographic isolation.

They are a lighter skin tone because of the pigmentation deletion at OCA2, the same as in East Asia. They have the older version of that gene.

Source: (Oxford Academic) African genetic diversity provides novel insights into evolutionary history and local adaptations
https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/27/R2/R209/4993963

(NATURE) Khoisan hunter-gatherers have been the largest population throughout most of modern-human demographic history
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms6692

(Using pre-2016 data) "the Khoisan and their ancestors have been the largest populations since their split with the non-Khoisan population ~100–150?kyr ago."

 

[Roms]

Thanks for the Khoisan's genetics details TM!

Here's a link and quote from another thread, thanks to Genghis Kush!

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=7145329&highlight=madagascar#post7145329

I think TanzanianMagics info is outdated.

There have been a lot of changes to the prevailing paradigm since NG started their The Human Genome Project.

Hybridization is becoming the new accepted model:
https://dienekes.blogspot.com/2015/08/rethinking-dispersal-of-homo-sapiens.html

The oldest Y chromosome now comes from West Africa and is 340,000 years old (Haplogroup A00). The oldest anatomically modern human remains are 200,000 years old. It is thought that this lineage comes from the interbreeding of modern humans with archaic humans sometime after 200,000 years ago.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23240-the-father-of-all-men-is-340000-years-old/

The oldest surviving modern male Y chromosome lineage (haplogroup A) also comes from west Africa, around Cameroon, about 150,000 years ago.
The oldest surviving female mitochondrial lineages haplogroups L0, L1 and L5, are also around 150,000 years old and found amongst the Khoi-San people, who at one time occupied all of southern Africa.

--Archaic DNA and archaeological evidence now supports the theory that modern humans left Africa well before 100,000 years ago. All humans outside of Africa are a Hybrid of Neanderthal, Denisovian, and modern Humans. Within Africa, researchers concluded that roughly 2% of the genetic material found in some Sub-Saharan African populations was inserted into the human genome approximately 35,000 years ago from as yet unidentified archaic hominins that broke away from the modern human lineage around 700,000 years ago. The people of Papua have the greatest known quantity of archaic DNA at 10%. 6% of which being Denisovian. While Europeans and Asians average 2-5% total.

"It is clear that it is genetic diversity that is the key to adaptability to many different environments in a generalist species like Homo Sapiens. "

-- I believe that the greatest genetic diversity comes through hybridization. By allowing a species to acquire new traits that create better adaptability to new environments.

"Remember that racism and scientific racism depend on the Multi-Regional Theory of human evolution, in other words, modern humans arising out of long separated and highly genetically differentiated populations of homonids (Homo Erectus in Africa, Homo Neanderthalensis in Europe, etc.). The Genographic Project drove a stake through the heart of all that."

----I think that racism depends on the false idea that our genetic differences constitute "races", and that the genetic differences can be quantified in some way that denotes superiority of one group over another.

Interbreeding of long separated groups is the story of Human evolution.

Humans and Chimps split apart 7million years ago and then cross bread for 2 million years before finally separating for good. This process continued for the next 5 million years. Homo Erectus had left Africa by at least 2 million years ago. Homo Neanderthalensis by 600,000 years ago. Modern Humans left by 100,000 years ago and interbred with them. As Ice ages came and went over the last 100,000 years people became isolated from one another and than reconnected with each other over and over. Long periods of isolation led to the different 'looks', that people refer to as "races". In our present age people are mixing to a great extent and will eventually erase old ideas of "race".
sorry for the rant..

Aloha
GK

Well by knowing the cannabis pollen found 2200 BP in Madagascar one can wonder if it was also present in South Africa at that old time?

https://books.google.fr/books?id=V-...=onepage&q=pollen cannabis madagascar&f=false

 

[Roms]

In my humble opinion there was an older cannabis spread from the South of Africa to the North and it's actually not recognized by the scientific community!

 

[Montuno]

I think TanzanianMagics info is outdated.

There have been a lot of changes to the prevailing paradigm since NG started their The Human Genome Project.

Hybridization is becoming the new accepted model:
https://dienekes.blogspot.com/2015/08/rethinking-dispersal-of-homo-sapiens.html

The oldest Y chromosome now comes from West Africa and is 340,000 years old (Haplogroup A00). The oldest anatomically modern human remains are 200,000 years old. It is thought that this lineage comes from the interbreeding of modern humans with archaic humans sometime after 200,000 years ago.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23240-the-father-of-all-men-is-340000-years-old/

The oldest surviving modern male Y chromosome lineage (haplogroup A) also comes from west Africa, around Cameroon, about 150,000 years ago.
The oldest surviving female mitochondrial lineages haplogroups L0, L1 and L5, are also around 150,000 years old and found amongst the Khoi-San people, who at one time occupied all of southern Africa.

--Archaic DNA and archaeological evidence now supports the theory that modern humans left Africa well before 100,000 years ago. All humans outside of Africa are a Hybrid of Neanderthal, Denisovian, and modern Humans. Within Africa, researchers concluded that roughly 2% of the genetic material found in some Sub-Saharan African populations was inserted into the human genome approximately 35,000 years ago from as yet unidentified archaic hominins that broke away from the modern human lineage around 700,000 years ago. The people of Papua have the greatest known quantity of archaic DNA at 10%. 6% of which being Denisovian. While Europeans and Asians average 2-5% total.

"It is clear that it is genetic diversity that is the key to adaptability to many different environments in a generalist species like Homo Sapiens. "

-- I believe that the greatest genetic diversity comes through hybridization. By allowing a species to acquire new traits that create better adaptability to new environments.

"Remember that racism and scientific racism depend on the Multi-Regional Theory of human evolution, in other words, modern humans arising out of long separated and highly genetically differentiated populations of homonids (Homo Erectus in Africa, Homo Neanderthalensis in Europe, etc.). The Genographic Project drove a stake through the heart of all that."

----I think that racism depends on the false idea that our genetic differences constitute "races", and that the genetic differences can be quantified in some way that denotes superiority of one group over another.

Interbreeding of long separated groups is the story of Human evolution.

Humans and Chimps split apart 7million years ago and then cross bread for 2 million years before finally separating for good. This process continued for the next 5 million years. Homo Erectus had left Africa by at least 2 million years ago. Homo Neanderthalensis by 600,000 years ago. Modern Humans left by 100,000 years ago and interbred with them. As Ice ages came and went over the last 100,000 years people became isolated from one another and than reconnected with each other over and over. Long periods of isolation led to the different 'looks', that people refer to as "races". In our present age people are mixing to a great extent and will eventually erase old ideas of "race".
sorry for the rant..

Aloha
GK

Homo Neanderthalensis never left África: was born on Europe from another European Homo: Homo Antecesor.

Salud.

 

[lowridersa]

Durban Poison'70, at least, was selected in South Africa by African herbman, and sent to Tropical Seeds Company in Spain to be more "worked"...

I have been following DP for a couple decades and written a few pages about, hopefully published oneday. I have reference material of the collectors of Durban Poison. The first guy was Mel Frank who took DP to America and then over to Amsterdam with the likes of skunk strains. I think this was the start of Durban we know today, which I am sure has been hybridized since. Afropips ( Maljim) was also a breeder and collector or african landraces, his breeding collection has since been stolen. DP has also been listed on Phylos as one of the top 10% rarest strains regarding its cannabinoid profiles, you can see the details on Phylos Galaxy.

Just came back from Trankskei, sadly not much local landrace is being grown there anymore. This tunnel was filled with european genetics. Still a beautiful spot and lovely place to grow.

This picture is from the Valley of a Thousand Hills in Kwazulu Natal, where DP originates from. These specific plants have been grown for decades and self seed themselves. They are also sativa dominant and produce large quantities of airy limegreen buds.

Great topic ROMS.

 

[Red October]

I have been following DP for a couple decades and written a few pages about, hopefully published oneday. I have reference material of the collectors of Durban Poison. The first guy was Mel Frank who took DP to America and then over to Amsterdam with the likes of skunk strains. I think this was the start of Durban we know today, which I am sure has been hybridized since. Afropips ( Maljim) was also a breeder and collector or african landraces, his breeding collection has since been stolen. DP has also been listed on Phylos as one of the top 10% rarest strains regarding its cannabinoid profiles, you can see the details on Phylos Galaxy.

Just came back from Trankskei, sadly not much local landrace is being grown there anymore. This tunnel was filled with european genetics. Still a beautiful spot and lovely place to grow.

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This picture is from the Valley of a Thousand Hills in Kwazulu Natal, where DP originates from. These specific plants have been grown for decades and self seed themselves. They are also sativa dominant and produce large quantities of airy limegreen buds.

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Great topic ROMS.

did you see any good looking Lesotho plants while there?

 

[lowridersa]

Ah yes. Here is one hell of a Lesotho. Iam heading to Lesotho in the next couple months to see a client and thier facilities. Will take pictures and upload, lovely earthy smoke, but mostly people here dont enjoy the smoke, but love the high.

Found on SoftSecrets to, I added it when I consulted for them last year.

 

[Red October]

Ah yes. Here is one hell of a Lesotho. Iam heading to Lesotho in the next couple months to see a client and thier facilities. Will take pictures and upload, lovely earthy smoke, but mostly people here dont enjoy the smoke, but love the high.

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Found on SoftSecrets to, I added it when I consulted for them last year.

man those are the images I saw but couldn't remember where. She looks lovely, the smell was never anything special but that high is unique from what experienced, we just don't get good jut anymore especially in cape Town.

 

[lowridersa]

It was a lovely plant, no problems with insects, mold, fairly good small buds. I have always enjoyed the smoke.

just don't get good jut anymore especially in cape Town

Closest you will get is badly grown cheese.

 

[Red October]

Closest you will get is badly grown cheese.

Its horrible man, the stuff from all my dealers is kak.

 

[Roms]

Tanaka, young lolita Rhodesian Ridgeback 14000km away in Britanny with one of my best friend Franck.
(Will be pollinated by my next black Hovawart) ^^

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[romanoweed]

It was a lovely plant, no problems with insects, mold, fairly good small buds. I have always enjoyed the smoke.

Closest you will get is badly grown cheese.

For me only old collectections that are REALLY from the 70s, or 80s are realdeal IMHO.

Khalifa Genetics has a 80s Durban, provided by the "Love of Landrace" Guy.

I found it the most interesting atleast imho.

 

[Roms]

Hype of the hype lol your expertise is REALLY impressive Romanoweed!