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Sour Diesel Vs. New York City Diesel
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Smoking Gun
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Pbud said:
Soma's NYCD has nothing to do with anything from the Chem/Dawg line. I really wish he would change the name of that strain. Call it NYC Gapefruit or something, but not Diesel.
I have grown/made seed with SDIBL in small batches for a few cycles. I think that there is variation between plants in potency and trich coverage. The ones that are good are very very good, and the ones that are bad are still good...
Nevilles Haze has a stronger sativa high but the SDIBL has more bag appeal and produces the same yeild in less time. I haven't tried Somas NYCD yet.
Nevilles Haze has a stronger sativa high but the SDIBL has more bag appeal and produces the same yeild in less time. I haven't tried Somas NYCD yet.
thedarklurker
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JKD said:
Yeah haze isn't really for people who care about yield. There is a reason people have been calling it the best weed in the world for the last 20 yrs though.
CurtisLemay
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The best plant I've ever grown from seed was a slow vegging haze19xskunk haze leaning pheno. It did yield less than the skunk phenos but more than enough for personal consumption.
Growing some NYCD right now from a local colorado clone. It looks very much like a sativa and is giving off a skunky smell just in veg. Double diesel was the best weed ive ever tried but im sure the NYCD will be in the same ballpark.
Want to pick up a sour diesel clone soon to start vegging for the next one. Any local CO growers with a good SD cut? Message me, please. 100% legal here.
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these are allways fun threads this one seems kinda tame
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a few of my buddies that own shops here in colorado have the real deal cut as well.. sourD is all over COCurtisLemay
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you dont get messages
The only one that I have seen it at has been T.H.C. on Colorado Blvd... are there others, friend?
Soma's NYCD is Afghani x Mexican Sativa (From Soma's website)- One hell of a cross. When you get the really potent phenos you feel the high right away, it sweeps over your body and smells and tastes absolutely great.
The Original Sour Diesel cut only is ('91 Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk/NL)x DNL. The DNL's lineage is NL/Shiva x Hawaiian. The original SD clone has a much longer high than the majority of the seed projects - even in people who have been smoking for many years. The only connections between Sour Diesel and NYCD is "Afghani", For SD that could be expressed from the Afghani in Shiva(@DNL) and/or Mass Super Skunk and NL.
When Rezdog went about making a Sour Diesel in seed form he supposedly crossed it back to an Afghani again to stabilize it. This is the creation of his Sour Diesel Seed line. He refined it twice more and the V3 was known as the ECSD version. His initial Sour Diesel IBL line was V4 - and the newest "Sour Diesel" seeds that rez dropped recently are his "perfected" V5 of his SD breeding project.
There were also lots of other interesting phenos Rez got doing the seed project, such as Alpha Diesel, Omega Diesel and others..
I would agree I prefer Sour Diesel, but I would rarely pass up the top end NYCD either - even though the have very little direct relation to each other genetically.
Bi0hazard
The Original Sour Diesel cut only is ('91 Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk/NL)x DNL. The DNL's lineage is NL/Shiva x Hawaiian. The original SD clone has a much longer high than the majority of the seed projects - even in people who have been smoking for many years. The only connections between Sour Diesel and NYCD is "Afghani", For SD that could be expressed from the Afghani in Shiva(@DNL) and/or Mass Super Skunk and NL.
When Rezdog went about making a Sour Diesel in seed form he supposedly crossed it back to an Afghani again to stabilize it. This is the creation of his Sour Diesel Seed line. He refined it twice more and the V3 was known as the ECSD version. His initial Sour Diesel IBL line was V4 - and the newest "Sour Diesel" seeds that rez dropped recently are his "perfected" V5 of his SD breeding project.
There were also lots of other interesting phenos Rez got doing the seed project, such as Alpha Diesel, Omega Diesel and others..
I would agree I prefer Sour Diesel, but I would rarely pass up the top end NYCD either - even though the have very little direct relation to each other genetically.
Bi0hazard
thatguynotspam
Member
I grew a batch of NYCD in 2001 from seed. I wish I could remember where I got the damn seeds from though, hope it comes back to me or my input may be worthless. Anyway, the NYCD I grew was pretty decent, I cant tell you alot of detailed info in the smoke, just that it didn't make the cut for me. I think it was about the time I found the C99, my personal fav, he he to each is own. Anyway, there has been TONS of SD floating around my area for months now and it is at best avg. Great flavor good high, but short lived, it wouldnt make my cut either at this point, although I havent grown it. I do plan to pick up some of REZ's SD due to the hype and see what my skills (not pro by far) can do with it in my orgainic mix! I do know this about the SD it has maybe the best bag appeal of anything I have seen! Wow that strain can be beautiful.
u-nah-bomba
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Hey guys, I'm relatively new and only been toking a year, I used to buy from a bad dude but switched to mmj clubs. One thing I have noticed though, is the difference between NYCD and SD. Sour Diesel has a very unique, weird flavor, sour exactly like it says, with fuelish aftertastes. SD also posesses a strong and versatile high, it doesn't completely couch lock you, nor is it a total head high.
Now, for NYCD, the first thing I noticed isholy shit this stuff is potent. SD is potent enough for any single person, but NYCD goes the extra miles to deliver a long potent punch. I would say SD has more flavor, but NYCD's straight diesel flavor feels old school and gangsta, and I gotta say I like feeling like that
Plus, the straight diesel is more interesting, the sour diesel flavor is like a warhead sour candy, the flavor is immediatly apparent and very strong. NCYD's flavor is a more subtle nutty diesely taste, which the more contemplative may prefer. NYCD's high is also ridiculously fast onset, I literally felt my eyes going chinese while I was inhaling from my whip style vaporizer, which has never happened before.
SD has this feeling like theres something else trying to come out of it that isn't truly being expressed, where as NYCD feels like it is a fully matured and finished product that knows what it is and what you want.
Overall, I'd say that NYCD is the superior diesel. I forgot to mention the smell. SD has a powerful smell, right? no duh, right? NYCD has one hell of a strong smell too, flowery and fresh. If you have the choice between NYC and Sour, I would strongly advise the NYC. Now, if you've never had Diesel before, I highly advise Sour first, so you know that you got an actual Diesel. Without having sampled Diesel at all, it can be very difficult to discern between the diesel flavor and woody and nutty flavors, which sucks.
its very interesting, because i'm in cali... lots of good shit over here. this New york stuff is damn good too though :O
How can you say it feels old school and gangsta, when you've been smokin for a year?
Otherwise, great report man/woman
I was smoking the sour d back in 99-00 and I think that was the cutting sour,floating around NYC. IT had almost a slight kush look to the buds but the sour was dead on.Then in 02 I got my hands on some different d and I could taste superskunk in the taste,and the color was greener than the clone. THE high from the ssk one was more fast to the head they both hit hard but different. And to present day moastly avarage to good samples to be found.
Jimi Hendrix
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Man, I've tried NYCD and SD... NYC is the winner hands down.
Sackushman
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There is no difference, dont let anyone tell you anything different. Everyuthing can be changed , smell, taste and poitentcy by the way its grown. my friend and I had 30 cuttings from a alien OG mother and you could not tell these where the same strain if your life depended on it after I grew it my way and he his.
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Rez: As Frank Lucas used to say,
"My Man"...."My Man..."
REZ NOTES:
I've grown all of Soma's early "NYC Diesel" releases,and I can say without hesitation that:
There's simply NO comparison between "NYC" "Diesel" and Authentic Sour Diesel,whatsofuckingEVER. PERIOD. There's no room for any arguments on this,I'll give you The Facts.
For one thing,Real Sour Diesel contains significantly higher levels of THC than "NYC" "Diesel",and you stay high for a LONG time with SOUR DIESEL,when it's grown correctly,say,77-80 days....
The NYCD has about a ten minute buzz,no matter how well it's grown-unless you're a lightweight,then oxygen deprivation gets you lightheaded if you smoke NYCD in lung-choking bong hits.
There's No Comparison. never has been,never will be.
The name "New York City Diesel" was used firstly as an advertising tool,the actual genetics were secondary to the ad campaign. Fwiw,the seed that Soma broke to find his NYCD Mom was an unknown bagseed that a friend in the NY area gave him,and told him it was "diesel"....
He crossed it to a P1 Aghani/Hawaiian Male that Shanti gave him,and called it "NYC Diesel".
(So,it's actually "Purported "Diesel" bag seed x Affi/Hawaiian,and that doesn't add up to anything you can seriously call "Diesel",and mean it.
Soma's a great marketer,but his facts blur over time to support his Bottom Line-and that's,imo,at the cost of the grower,who buys one thing and gets another.... IMO.
(And Soma and I are good friends,have been for many years,but he knows I call "bullshit" on his lineage claims,but not enough to straighten it out,which sucks.)
Even if that first seed was actually somewhat diesel-based,it was diluted from the get-go by the Affie-Hawaiian and has never,imo,actually produced an actual "Diesel" plant.
NYCD tastes great to some people,I find it cloying and weaksauce.
In closing,don't ever waste people's time comparing these two-as they are as similar as a rock and an automobile.
Soma printed in one of his many books that,(Quote
"Sour Diesel is the mother of NYCD."
That folks,is flat out,100% INCORRECT.
NYCD has ZERO shared traits with SOUR DIESEL,and it took me four years to breed out the NYCD that Reservoir (mistakenly,as I've since found) used as an initial outcross in Reservoir's now 7-year SOUR DIESEL IBL Project.... But with more generations of selective breeding than you have fingers,and some toes,Reservoir Seeds has brought 100% SOUR DIESEL in seed form,where none has ever existed before**.
I hope this helps.
CAZART!!
**See Crazy Composer's new SOUR DIESEL thread in my forum and also in P&Budshots for concise,independent,3rd party confirmation of exactly what I just posted.
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shaolin36er said:
Rez: As Frank Lucas used to say,
"My Man"...."My Man..."
REZ NOTES:
I've grown all of Soma's early "NYC Diesel" releases,and I can say without hesitation that:
There's simply NO comparison between "NYC" "Diesel" and Authentic Sour Diesel,whatsofuckingEVER. PERIOD. There's no room for any arguments on this,I'll give you The Facts.
For one thing,Real Sour Diesel contains significantly higher levels of THC than "NYC" "Diesel",and you stay high for a LONG time with SOUR DIESEL,when it's grown correctly,say,77-80 days....
The NYCD has about a ten minute buzz,no matter how well it's grown-unless you're a lightweight,then oxygen deprivation gets you lightheaded if you smoke NYCD in lung-choking bong hits.
There's No Comparison. never has been,never will be.
The name "New York City Diesel" was used firstly as an advertising tool,the actual genetics were secondary to the ad campaign. Fwiw,the seed that Soma broke to find his NYCD Mom was an unknown bagseed that a friend in the NY area gave him,and told him it was "diesel"....
He crossed it to a P1 Aghani/Hawaiian Male that Shanti gave him,and called it "NYC Diesel".
(So,it's actually "Purported "Diesel" bag seed x Affi/Hawaiian,and that doesn't add up to anything you can seriously call "Diesel",and mean it.
Soma's a great marketer,but his facts blur over time to support his Bottom Line-and that's,imo,at the cost of the grower,who buys one thing and gets another.... IMO.
(And Soma and I are good friends,have been for many years,but he knows I call "bullshit" on his lineage claims,but not enough to straighten it out,which sucks.)
Even if that first seed was actually somewhat diesel-based,it was diluted from the get-go by the Affie-Hawaiian and has never,imo,actually produced an actual "Diesel" plant.
NYCD tastes great to some people,I find it cloying and weaksauce.
In closing,don't ever waste people's time comparing these two-as they are as similar as a rock and an automobile.
Soma printed in one of his many books that,(Quote
"Sour Diesel is the mother of NYCD."
That folks,is flat out,100% INCORRECT.
NYCD has ZERO shared traits with SOUR DIESEL,and it took me four years to breed out the NYCD that Reservoir (mistakenly,as I've since found) used as an initial outcross in Reservoir's now 7-year SOUR DIESEL IBL Project.... But with more generations of selective breeding than you have fingers,and some toes,Reservoir Seeds has brought 100% SOUR DIESEL in seed form,where none has ever existed before**.
I hope this helps.
CAZART!!
**See Crazy Composer's new SOUR DIESEL thread in my forum and also in P&Budshots for concise,independent,3rd party confirmation of exactly what I just posted.
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