Sour Diesel Vs. New York City Diesel

[medman225]

hey tarbosh... thanks for the words on SD VS NYCD.....
first off, from what i can remember, the NYCD is SourD bagseedXSoma's hawiian afghan male(gifted to him by shantibaba).... now heres the thing on the NYCD releases(and if u dnt believe me go somwhere here on icmag Rez has stated his thoughts on NYCD and says this exactly).... the first release was a straight 50/50 cross.... back in the early 2000s.... but then soma had somthing happenedposibbly a bust but either way soma lost som stock and took a f1 female and crossed it to the hawiian afghan(or he jst stupidly thought this forward progression of crosses was the way to go).... but somas not retarded he wuld hav realized he was bxing out the very thing that made NYCD so special(the sour!) from wat i hear nothing matched that initial cross...
now as for the sour, this is its lineage(taken from the chemdawg 101 thread here at ic)- Sour Diesel' aka ECSD came from an accidental cross of ('91 Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk/NL)x DNL after the DNL hermed and seeded the room. The DNL's lineage is NL/Shiva x Hawaiian.
• Original Diesel' (also known as Diesel #1, Headband, Daywrecker Diesel, Underdawg) came from a cross of '91 Chemdawg x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as ‘weasel’.

I think its worth mentioning to note that besides all the watered down SD clones, there are now 2 SourD lines that we must acknowledge here... the original cross above, which imo should be referred to as ECSD... and then theres the IBL thats almost as prominent and famous as the original clone.... until now i hav considered these both the same as the IBL is simply full on green, insteada having colors.... but unfortunately the IBL seems to have taken a very wrong term recently, as evident by aaaaaallll the SDIBL grows from the latest release that reported not finding much sour at all(im not saying theres no sour in it, but i hear its somthing like 1/20 or so... meaning theres folks out there who didnt find a sour pheno..... and honestly thats fucked i mean there shuld b little to no variation in an ibl.... not like weve seen in the new IBL release).....
as for ur thoughts on NYCD high vs SD high, yes i think in terms of straight potency SourD is stronger.... but i do think there are things left to be desired with the sour... mainly for me that its sooo short lived.... now ive only had not so good NYCD(which leads me to believe wat I smoked was a later NYCDxHawiianAfghan release), so i cant really compare, but imo a good cross comes from as opposite lines as possible, and if sourd is a mainly sativa, and the hawaiianAfgan is an indica, i think the resulting cross probably wulda been a really well balanced hybrid high of some body stone from the indica and some though provoking mind high sativa.... thanks for ur thoughts tarbosh

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

hey tarbosh... thanks for the words on SD VS NYCD.....
first off, from what i can remember, the NYCD is SourD bagseedXSoma's hawiian afghan male(gifted to him by shantibaba)....

Nope, the nycd from soma came from diesel bagseed, not sour diesel bagseed

There was regular diesel and the sour diesel.

I always found the sour high to be the short one compared with the diesel(never smoked somas "nycd" though.)

and it seems AJs cut is floating around now so there are three SDs, aside from questionable clones and crosses.

and I dont remember the old SD having all this pine in it that the current street sour has.

 

[stasis]

In my head, NYCD is the perfect AM smoke... (SOMA's, right..?) Grapefruity, sativa goodness, red-haired sorta fluffy compared to ECSD.. Right..?

These two strains are not related, if I have it correctly. There is Diesel - Sour Diesel - and NYC Diesel -not related to the previous two. Although I may be mistaken on that.

ECSD is a Whopp on the Noggin' - you are going down... Hard Frosty nugs.. Smells like the OG Kush to a certain degree. Not as much "Bright N*rcotic Buzz" that it shares with the original OG Kush (chemdog pheno) - or Chemdog (OG Kush pheno - as I have seen) depending on who you talk to.

Much of the names - as in other popular strains - have been mixed up - but the "taste-test" can tell the difference.

 

[marmarb]

who has the best sour diesel in seed form currently no way of getting legit clones where im at so have to grab seeds although clones would be nice

 

[stasis]

A lot of people like Reservoir Seeds version. I was not thrilled with that one. But I did like his SSSDH. Grew out a few clones and it was the star of that run.

 

[medman225]

Madbuddahabuser-hey man, thanks for the clarification... ive always heard sourD bagseed so thats what i said i thought I recalled....
if NYCD is in fact diesel#1XHawaaianAfghan, then that actually changes things alot in my opinion....
i think we can agree somthing special happened when the Diesel#1 was outcrossed to the DNL accidently, and sour was born.... if ur indeed saying somas cross was diesel#1... then I think this is only another example of how wen the right male meets Diesel#1, something incredible comes from it...
I was under the impression Ajs cut was the original diesel 1? Iv just heard it refered to as the precursor to ECSD, which is diesel#1.

Marmarb, Id go with what stasis is saying.... the IBL used to be amazing, but its taken a turn for the worse im afraid... and as it stands I think its gona b a veeeery long time before rez comes out with the next generation(if ever). however theres still sssdhz.... and like stasis says, shes truly a bright shining star i absolutely looooove sssdhz

 

[marmarb]

yea im gonna go look at some grow logs on it i tend to shy away from anything hermie prone so we shall see i got some rez chem bx2 and conn chem that i havent popped just for that reason gonna give them a go one day though

 

[lordofthenugz]

I'm about to say something that may piss off many, but here goes. I love LOVE ECSD. Absolutely love it. BUT. I think Rez got some accidental badass genetics and rode that train WAY TOO LONG. All of the "work" he did with the strain after that was all hack work. ECSD ended up being the most over worked and hermie prone top shelf strain there is. I'm sorry, but Rez was a hack trying to get rich off accident intead of talent and it ended up biting ALL if us in the ass. Now the gift cannabis gave us of ECSD is unstable and now "no one" seems to know where the fuck Rez is.


But IMHO, ECSD is WAYYYYYYYYY better smoke and more unique than NYCD ever thought about being. No comparison. NYCD to me is about like Cali Conns "original Sour D". Which if you have had the real ECSD then you know. But hey, who the hell am I to prevent some peoples crusade to use others names and genetics to comenup in this world. So sad and yet ANOTHER bs problem that would disappear if it was legal to just grow our own.



Sorry if anyone takes offense because I respect the HELL out if good and dedicated breeders, but Rez had WAY more ambition than talent.


My .02.


Peace

 

[Hermanthegerman]

I only know the NYCD,
some pics from the last winter

Eastcost meets westcoast

 

[Gremista]

beautiful nugs!

 

[DIDM]

one thing that is great about the diesel lineage is that you big leaf it for the last few weeks cause they all yellow and die off. Not much work to trim her

 

[sota]

...some time has gone, new diesel´s are on the market.
What "diesel" today is the update king?

 

[The Hatter]

...some time has gone, new diesel´s are on the market.
What "diesel" today is the update king?

There are so many "diesel" strains around these days it is impossible to keep track of them all. Most of them are hybrids and many of them are mislabeled either intentionally or by accident. One tendendy I have noticed locally is that any diesel cross that is going around seems to end up getting called sour diesel or simply diesel by everyone regardless of what it really is.

Of the "diesels" I have tried the ones I liked most were Chocolate Diesel and Sin Diesel. The Chocolate D is supposed to be a SD crossed with some sort of Chocolate Thai hybrid and Sin Diesel is Cindy 99 x Sour D IBL. Of the two Sin Diesel is the one I prefer most.

 

[Hermanthegerman]

NYCD (SOMA) meets westcoast, just a Nugget.

 

[Coconutz]

I hope the OP got his head on straight by now.

 

[Fly by Night]

 

[saluki]

So where is the most authentic Sour D available from now that Rez is indisposed? Not that you would want his IBL Sour D from the feedback in this thread. What seed company got that piff?

 

[The Hatter]

So where is the most authentic Sour D available from now that Rez is indisposed? Not that you would want his IBL Sour D from the feedback in this thread. What seed company got that piff?

The problem with finding good "authentic" diesel seeds is that the authentic original diesels are all clone only strains thus the best you can really hope for are hybrids that breeders have worked with to stabilize and back cross towards the original clone. I spent a lot of time looking for a good breeder who has done something like this and other than Res I really didn't find anyone who tried to create a stabilized diesel strain who's goal was to capture and recreate the original cuts in seed form. What I did find were a lot of "selfed" seeds where the original clone was forced to hermie and pollinate itself and a whole bunch of diesel hybrids where people took a cut of diesel and crossed it with something else. I was hoping somebody had taken the original cuts and put in the work needed to out cross them with something similiar like a good fuel smelling skunk and then backcross them towards the original cut over multiple generations. This is the same process used to create Cindy 99 and it is the reason that strain is so uniform and consistent. I spent a lot of time looking and I never found any back crossed diesels.

Anyway, I guess this was just a really long winded way for me to say that although there are a lot of great Diesel hybrids I'm not sure there really is a line of seeds out there that can consistently recreate the originals. I personally grow Sin Deisel which has produced some top shelf bud that can stand up well next to the real Sour Diesel but its definitely not the same as the original. My keeper is actually more like a Cindy 99 than it is Sour Diesel. It's frosty as all hell and tastes strongly of tart peaches and mango with fuel undertones. My more Sour D leaning pheno was not as frosty but it captured the original Sour D smell and taste much better. Best of luck with your search. If you like Cindy as well as diesel then you might want to try Sin Diesel out. It's treated me pretty well and you can definitely very find Sour D leaning phenos.

 

[recent guest]

I think a lot of the seed based NYCD and SD are 'selfed' meaning a cutting has been turned male to pollenate the mother, or something similar.

My vote is for NYCD, or since mine turned purple I call her NYPD

Devastating and long lasting stone with beautiful coloration and truly fantastic smell

 

[juggo]

I have grown ecsd,wcsd,purple diesal,and some rez variations.Never got a good cut of nycd.The ecsd was my fav deez,even though i preferred other cuts over her.The deal with real diesals is patience.The ecsd could be harvested anywhere from 70 days to possibly 170 days,each harvest window offers a different high.I know a lot of ppl that say 85 day ecsd is the best they ever smoked,but still,the unique highs that plant offered taken at different times makes her a special plant.Bless the individuals that made her available! Having said that,i have seen at least 13-14 distinctly different diesals on the wholesale in like 6 months,and 4-5 nycds.I have secured some really awesome nycds last year,real grapefruity stinky,indica leaning, and it seems most of them were lightly seeded.I can see no similarities in nycd and the ecsd variety's. I haven't had the chance to grow out proper nycd,but theres beans in almost every batch.Some real smart dude told me once ecsd can be remade with mss and hmm what was it..think some kinda bogbubble something like that..nevertheless,gotta love those d-cells.

peace,
juggo