So you wanna be a commercial grower?

[dj digigrow]

Athing 10k or bigger shouldn't be done in a residential home imho...
commercial, all day....

 

[THCV]

don't commercial spaces require annual inspections, at the very least? no one inspects my house without a warrant.

And 300 amp service is standard these days (in fact, the website of my electric co implies one-family residences can order up to 600 amps no problem!). So again, with 20K lights is about 90 amps, big AC is 40, fans etc say another 30 max, we are at 160 amps. On a 300 amp service. I am not talking about not wiring the shit without breakers, jesus! Of course, everything wired correctly, breakers, shit GFCI'd too. But at that point the grow is using 53% of capacity. And you think the electric company has a problem with that?

I think you are all too paranoid. The Viets get busted due to stealing power and snitches and fires, not electricity usage level itself. But think of all the viet-ops using the grid that DO NOT get busted. These days, people have insane amounts of electric and electronic appliances, big TVs, hot tubs, massage chairs, huge houses with all the lights on, electric stoves and ranges, electric heat, 5-ton ac, etc etc. 53% of residential service usage probably isn't even representative of your typical wasteful and lazy wealthy person.

So, unless there is a digital meter that could reveal 12/12, how the hell is it an issue to use 53%? Are these just baseless hunches you guys are working off of? I believe you need to be somewhat paranoid in this game, but this doesn't pencil out as much of an issue IMO.

But by all means, do your 20k grow in a commercial space, but be completely broken down, cleared out and cleaned up by the time inspection rolls around. And be a really good liar, cuz you'll have to have a great cover for the landlord and utility bills. And your other industrial neighbors. Shady! I guess commercial spaces are good for the 4-month one-time quick-money run, but little else i would think--certainly not long term.

 

[THCV]

i get you, polish, thanks, electrician stuff. but i am still wondering why people are considering gensets or commercial space for grows that need 160-200 amps total (20-30 lights). Houses obviously work fine, that's why every single major bust these days is a house. But that doesn't mean houses are bad--it means the small % who get caught aren't doing it right, but for every bust there are probably 20 other houses humming along just fine.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

i get you, polish, thanks, electrician stuff. but i am still wondering why people are considering gensets or commercial space for grows that need 160-200 amps total (20-30 lights). Houses obviously work fine, that's why every single major bust these days is a house. But that doesn't mean houses are bad--it means the small % who get caught aren't doing it right, but for every bust there are probably 20 other houses humming along just fine.

Because LEO IS monitoring electrical usage. There was a thread posted in the last couple weeks with links to the email that the officer had with the power company. They were mining the data for abnormal usage compared to previous usage.

running 150+ amps all day is going to create a HUGE bill which MAY put you on someones radar

 

[yamaha_1fan]

Clearly we don't have any electricans here... I did electrical work for many years so I learned quite a bit.
You have a 200amp or 300amp service because you need multiple breakers to control and protect receptacles, if your entire place ran off one breaker then you wouldn't need all the extra capacity.
Most people never use more than 50% of their service capacity, and that's expected. If you did use your service at 80% to 90% load, everything would heat up and start to fail.
All the extra capacity is for safety reasons... not there to be maxed out.

Who said they were going to run things off one breaker?

why would things heat up at 80% load? Thats the rule isnt it, any continuous load over 3 hours should run at 80% of the rated circuit. So a 200 amp service could run 160 amps all day, which would be distributed through small circuits running at 80%

 

[wafflehouselove]

Those 2 hot big ass wires that is connected to your box that goes through some conduct heats up when alot of power is being used. Now like Polish says on a hot summer day if the heat of the summer and the heat of the 80% load ever does melt those 2 hot wires then your in luck for some expensive electrical fix.

 

[green_tea]

just do a 10kW @220V flip flopped, thus its like a 20kW grow thats not flipped

gives you the added bonus of a perpetual harvest

 

[jackhammer]

don't commercial spaces require annual inspections, at the very least? no one inspects my house without a warrant.

And 300 amp service is standard these days (in fact, the website of my electric co implies one-family residences can order up to 600 amps no problem!). So again, with 20K lights is about 90 amps, big AC is 40, fans etc say another 30 max, we are at 160 amps. On a 300 amp service. I am not talking about not wiring the shit without breakers, jesus! Of course, everything wired correctly, breakers, shit GFCI'd too. But at that point the grow is using 53% of capacity. And you think the electric company has a problem with that?

I think you are all too paranoid. The Viets get busted due to stealing power and snitches and fires, not electricity usage level itself. But think of all the viet-ops using the grid that DO NOT get busted. These days, people have insane amounts of electric and electronic appliances, big TVs, hot tubs, massage chairs, huge houses with all the lights on, electric stoves and ranges, electric heat, 5-ton ac, etc etc. 53% of residential service usage probably isn't even representative of your typical wasteful and lazy wealthy person.

So, unless there is a digital meter that could reveal 12/12, how the hell is it an issue to use 53%? Are these just baseless hunches you guys are working off of? I believe you need to be somewhat paranoid in this game, but this doesn't pencil out as much of an issue IMO.

But by all means, do your 20k grow in a commercial space, but be completely broken down, cleared out and cleaned up by the time inspection rolls around. And be a really good liar, cuz you'll have to have a great cover for the landlord and utility bills. And your other industrial neighbors. Shady! I guess commercial spaces are good for the 4-month one-time quick-money run, but little else i would think--certainly not long term.

My friend the plumber had a commercial suit at one time. The fire marshall inspected the building once a year. So did the landlords insurance company, real estate appraiser and assorted repair guys. It was in his lease that for emergencies and inspections or repairs access would be gained if my friend was there or not. To much traffic if you ask me.

 

[wafflehouselove]

i think for small properties having a 10kwh on the electric bill is kinda high, maybe if you own a few acres of land for this or you have a large house 10kwh would look normal i guess.

 

[BritishColumbia]

I would say 1/1000 chance of getting raided due to high electricity consumption are more then good odd's,the best way to approach something is to listen to your self not other people and take the time to feel it out as everyone's situation is different.

 

[slowster5507]

ive gave the thread the uptown and its looking good. I would haved to add something, If your mentally weak this is not for you. There is definately a mental aspect to all of this. So if your the guy that gets nervy running a 400watt bulb in flower you might as well just admire the knowledge because your mentally not capable of this.Friends,What Friends? you should have few if any. There is plenty of time for that when your rolling fat. thats my motto. Concentrate on your bond with family.Im all for this thread i think it is great and deserves to be a sticky of a sort. but lets disregaurd the cops, sketchy fools talking of internet woos, and haters. Lets let the real growers thinking of setting up a wam bam thank you sam grow, console in this thread.


Much love to ya all keep it up friends

Peace,slow

 

[Brad]

Where's the pix?

 

[green_tea]

yeah id love to see some pix of a 20KW or bigger grow...
(yes yes Sonoma, yours were big... but it would be interesting to see some warehouse ones.)

 

[THCV]

Because LEO IS monitoring electrical usage. There was a thread posted in the last couple weeks with links to the email that the officer had with the power company. They were mining the data for abnormal usage compared to previous usage.

running 150+ amps all day is going to create a HUGE bill which MAY put you on someones radar

well, i disagreed in that other thread, and i'll disagree here. one bust in Austin, Nazi Texas does not a good example make. Each locality is different, as BritishColumbia makes very clear. So if you live in Texas, watch out, but not necessarily true at all that huge power bills are an issue everywhere. Really. Once the peak oil/peak electric shit hits the fan and the Pres of the US tells everyone to start conserving so we don't enter the Second Dark Ages, I will be worried about widespread power monitoring. But with George "use all the energy humanly possible for the simplest tasks so my cronies make more money" Bush up top, there is zero pressure to reduce usage, and thus zero fed money to bust big energy users. But whatever, everyone shouldn't go out and be commercial as a result of this, it take HUGE brass balls and a BIG BRAIN to pull off. Pussies and retards need not apply; but plenty of retards do it anyway, and get nailed.

 

[cway]

well, i disagreed in that other thread, and i'll disagree here. one bust in Austin, Nazi Texas does not a good example make. Each locality is different, as BritishColumbia makes very clear. So if you live in Texas, watch out, but not necessarily true at all that huge power bills are an issue everywhere.

Hey THVC..


Well I have to disagree with you just a tad bit bout Texas.. Were not that Nazi... Small towns and suburbs hell yeah.. But INNER CITY like Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin ( I think that Austin bust was in the burbs, correct me if im wrong) and those PD's are underfunded and looking for real criminals.. Here Ice and Meth rule the streets and in the inner city they pretty much keep the piggies busy.. But your 100% correct about Suburbs and RUral Cities.. Dont get caught out there thats all I have to say.


I dont think that I have ever heard of a bust in the my inner city due to power usage but who knows.. Most bust happen in the BUrbs cause thats where folks are nosey...

But whatever, everyone shouldn't go out and be commercial as a result of this, it take HUGE brass balls and a BIG BRAIN to pull off. Pussies and retards need not apply; but plenty of retards do it anyway, and get nailed.

This is funny,... But I must agree..

 

[THCV]

cway, i know it ain't all nazis in TX. I've had some great times in Austin, but i doubt i would go anywhere else. But i think there are few things closer to Nazis that Texas Police, or Rangers, or TX-based DEA, that's what I really mean. The SS. And so i can imagine them doing whatever the fuck they want to screw "weed smoking faggots", constitution be damned. Kinda like their old boss...W.

 

[OriginalyPosted]

So a 200 amp service could run 160 amps all day, which would be distributed through small circuits running at 80%

running everything on 120 that equals about 16 lights i think about 12 or so with all the goodies included plus you gotta juggle the washer and drier microwave and other stuff in your house.

the only commercial growers i know do it legal outdoors 50lb harvests 3 times a year for the last 7 years straight mircle grow same strain every year .

 

[random nobody]

Hi people.
Cool thread....i dont wanna piss anyone off, i dont have years of veteran hands on knowledge and im always trying to learn but i wanna pitch in.

i figured since its a commercial thread there would be more talk about rockwool, flood&drain, proper cloning, somewhere along the line but i guess i was wrong....unless i missed it (shame on me)

commercial-wise rockwool cubes, blocks, slabs are much easier to transport, conceal in boxes, and not as messy to work with once u get down to business.. then aggregates like promix, perlite,vermiculite.

moms and clones are the backbone to any successful continuous grow, commercial, or not. lots of moms, keep backups...and back up your backups.

 

[humble1]

First of all, the max number of lights you could run would be 32 x 1000 watt at 240/220
i can't think of any house that could handle that amount of heat unless you were in canada or somewhere cold. especially if you flip/flopped it.

second, and this one has always confused me, what about disposing of that much rockwool, and on a regular basis?

Much love to the real professionals!
Peace, Love & Coco

 

[LiLWaynE]

Hi people.
Cool thread....i dont wanna piss anyone off, i dont have years of veteran hands on knowledge and im always trying to learn but i wanna pitch in.

i figured since its a commercial thread there would be more talk about rockwool, flood&drain, proper cloning, somewhere along the line but i guess i was wrong....unless i missed it (shame on me)

commercial-wise rockwool cubes, blocks, slabs are much easier to transport, conceal in boxes, and not as messy to work with once u get down to business.. then aggregates like promix, perlite,vermiculite.

moms and clones are the backbone to any successful continuous grow, commercial, or not. lots of moms, keep backups...and back up your backups.

if you are growing commercially indoors, you probably would want to phase out the use of any mediums and focus on simply oxygen and water. If anything, use hydroton and just recycle it.