So uhh... my landlord's coming over tomorrow guys & I got a room full of pot

[SmokinErb]

Not true. Warrents don't take that long, the police can "hold" you for 48-72 hrs without cause while they get a warrent, and the execptions to the warrent requierment are numerous. Best not to get arrested rather than hope that the courts will throw out the evidence in a year or 2.

This is true. They also have to have probable cause for a search warrant. I'm PRETTY SURE a couple locked doors in a house with 3 different people that AREN'T family isn't grounds.

You can't even smell the plants IN the room, unless your face is all right up in them.

This is also why I treat my landlord with the utmost respect and I dread the day I have to ask her to leave the property based on legal grounds. I hope that doesn't happen.

 

[SmokinErb]

is that a line from a movie or something lmao

definitely don't play with the cane mane!

oh wait that is from fear and loathing in las vegas oh yeah, I am stoned

Fear and Lo.....

Nevermind. I guess I didn't read your whole post. Lol I read til the end to come back and answer this. THEN I notice you answered your own question as I was typing that.

I WAS GONNA HELP! Counts for something, right?

 

[Fuzz420]

Gonna use this to get it out there.

I didn't reply promptly because: I was awake for 36 hours. I got properly drunk after such a scare, smoked some pretty damn good Blue Cheese, and then some stuff I harvested early today.

Basically, I was tired. I seriously slept for like 15 hours straight. Didn't wake up until 2:00 PM today.

Really sorry about that guys. Once again.

Glad your safe, but you have to understand from our perspective.

I hope you have a contingency plan from now on, staying up 36 hours is a lot of stress that could have been avoided. Best of luck you too you stay safe

Oh yea blue cheese is proper

 

[SmokinErb]

Dude I so know. That shit got me high as fuck. But I do see it from your perspective, and that's why I keep apologizing.

I honestly don't think the night of no sleep could be avoided. I KNOW I'm okay, but I still get nervous as fuck. Heart starts pounding... that's also part of why I like it. I love the feeling of having my landlord 2' from a highly illegal grow op without knowing. It'll still keep me up at night.

But yeah I always have a plan - keep the landlord out of the grow room, but allow her anywhere else. Always is that way. If it's necessary for them to go in there, rent a u-haul or chop. It's worked out so far I'll make her file for an eviction if necessary, I'm just trying to avoid that at all costs.

I do appreciate everyone stopping in. Didn't reply to everyone because well... shit that's a lot man.

Edit: Lemme find a pic of that blue cheese I had:

 

[Kalicokitty]

A happy ending, nice.

I would like to say that I think growing on rental property is the way to go.
Just like erb said.
1. Single family homes
2. Duplex's
3.4plexs

4. big on site managed complexes(never in my wildest dreams) but the other 3 are usually cool.

Also you want to foster a good relationship with your landlord, and be seen as a responsible tenant who always pays rent 5 days before the first, and NEVER calls for maintenance on anything(something breaks, fix it yourself)
Over time they don't even worry about you anymore, after stopping by in the first few months and seeing their place is fine, and several months of getting their rent hassle free, they put you on the no mind list, and you almost never see them, they feel they don't have to worry about you.
Should something arise, polite civil discussion is the best way to go.
If that breaks down and your left with no other option, then that is when I advocate stonewalling, telling them your moving, and you do not want the place shown before your out.
The very last thing is literally saying F off to them, I meant that more in an actions kind of way then a literal statement.

But if it comes down to it, you can stonewall, change the locks, and ride it out for thirty days without fear of the cops kicking your door.

Any landlord kicking a door himself is asking to get shot.
Anyone familiar with castle laws?
Any private citizen kicking your door in, landlord or not, is fair game, if you feel threatened, and in mortal danger, you can defend yourself by any means up to and including lethal force.
Your home is the one place that the courts agree with that you should be able to draw the line and say I will not be threatened here, anywhere else and they will say you should have fled the scene before resorting to lethal force, but not in your own home when it's being invaded.

 

[there is no c]

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If you get caught in your own home, again it will be your own fault...

However! You will lose your home. So on top of getting put in the slam, you're losing a quite expensive piece of property. Not worth it IMO.

Not always true, Asset seizure is not automatic upon manufacture of a controlled substance, it varies for state to state but generally that assets' substantial use was the commission of a felony. There are generally complicated federal constitutional and state constitutional issues at play. But yes, you do put that property in jeopardy.

 

[festivus]

Growing in a rental is not a big deal, growing in a rental that's on the market is.

 

[good drown]

A happy ending, nice.


Any landlord kicking a door himself is asking to get shot.
Anyone familiar with castle laws?
Any private citizen kicking your door in, landlord or not, is fair game, if you feel threatened, and in mortal danger, you can defend yourself by any means up to and including lethal force.
Your home is the one place that the courts agree with that you should be able to draw the line and say I will not be threatened here, anywhere else and they will say you should have fled the scene before resorting to lethal force, but not in your own home when it's being invaded.

not every state has the castle doctrine

 

[Strainhunter]

.......

Any landlord kicking a door himself is asking to get shot.
Anyone familiar with castle laws?
Any private citizen kicking your door in, landlord or not, is fair game, if you feel threatened, and in mortal danger, you can defend yourself by any means up to and including lethal force.
Your home is the one place that the courts agree with that you should be able to draw the line and say I will not be threatened here, anywhere else and they will say you should have fled the scene before resorting to lethal force, but not in your own home when it's being invaded.

With all respect...it just doesn't work like that IF one is committing a crime (growing weed) at the same location.

Most of the above (what you wrote) is only valid if no crime is being committed.

Or in simple words, and this is a worst case scenario:

Shoot someone at your place while growing weed and see what happens after.

Another thing: Contrary to public opinion a "owned" house someone is growing in CAN NOT be taken unless it is owned free & clear.
As long as there is a mortgage on it the title is in the Banks Safe...and not yours (the growers).

Yes the grower will (likely) lose his right to live there but there are always other houses around.
That's if he/she is still able to do so and is not breathing prison air...

 

[SmokinErb]

A happy ending, nice.

I would like to say that I think growing on rental property is the way to go.
Just like erb said.
1. Single family homes
2. Duplex's
3.4plexs

4. big on site managed complexes(never in my wildest dreams) but the other 3 are usually cool.

Also you want to foster a good relationship with your landlord, and be seen as a responsible tenant who always pays rent 5 days before the first, and NEVER calls for maintenance on anything(something breaks, fix it yourself)
Over time they don't even worry about you anymore, after stopping by in the first few months and seeing their place is fine, and several months of getting their rent hassle free, they put you on the no mind list, and you almost never see them, they feel they don't have to worry about you.
Should something arise, polite civil discussion is the best way to go.
If that breaks down and your left with no other option, then that is when I advocate stonewalling, telling them your moving, and you do not want the place shown before your out.
The very last thing is literally saying F off to them, I meant that more in an actions kind of way then a literal statement.

But if it comes down to it, you can stonewall, change the locks, and ride it out for thirty days without fear of the cops kicking your door.

Any landlord kicking a door himself is asking to get shot.
Anyone familiar with castle laws?
Any private citizen kicking your door in, landlord or not, is fair game, if you feel threatened, and in mortal danger, you can defend yourself by any means up to and including lethal force.
Your home is the one place that the courts agree with that you should be able to draw the line and say I will not be threatened here, anywhere else and they will say you should have fled the scene before resorting to lethal force, but not in your own home when it's being invaded.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I fix everything myself, I send her the bill for the parts and a brief note explaining what the issue was (I had to replace the dogs on the washing machine agitator, for example.) I think she appreciates that greatly, and I don't repair anything that's unnecessary.

Not always true, Asset seizure is not automatic upon manufacture of a controlled substance, it varies for state to state but generally that assets' substantial use was the commission of a felony. There are generally complicated federal constitutional and state constitutional issues at play. But yes, you do put that property in jeopardy.

Thanks for that info man. I was near certain that asset seizure was basically like a guarantee.... but I'm pretty sure what I grow indoors would qualify as substantial use in the commission of a felony. Indiana has some weak cultivation laws really - it's the same as possession over 30 grams, 1 plant or 1,000 really. It just goes be weight. Under/Over 30 grams.

Either way, the risks are still too high for me. The CHANCE that I may get caught and possibly lose my property, or the CHANCE that the landlord INSISTS upon seeing my room and I have to chop before anything substantial comes of it? I'll take the chop. Thanks for that info tho, man.

Growing in a rental is not a big deal, growing in a rental that's on the market is.

The house was put on the market after we started growing. It's a bad market right now anyway, I'm not expecting much. It's been a few days, and she's obviously not pursuing the viewing any further.

not every state has the castle doctrine

Fortunately, Indiana does. I think this is one of the greatest laws in existence.

 

[SmokinErb]

With all respect...it just doesn't work like that IF one is committing a crime (growing weed) at the same location.

Most of the above (what you wrote) is only valid if no crime is being committed.

Or in simple words, and this is a worst case scenario:

Shoot someone at your place while growing weed and see what happens after.

Another thing: Contrary to public opinion a "owned" house someone is growing in CAN NOT be taken unless it is owned free & clear.
As long as there is a mortgage on it the title is in the Banks Safe...and not yours (the growers).

Yes the grower will (likely) lose his right to live there but there are always other houses around.
That's if he/she is still able to do so and is not breathing prison air...

Obviously shooting someone who broke down your door is a bad idea in my shoes (as a grower.) However, let's say my landlord were to kick down my door, etc. I could in theory shoot her ass, and tear down my grow room and dispose of it before the hour is up.

I don't even own a gun, however - I could punch the bitch in the face and I bet you she leaves right quick. And legally, what can she do? Call the police? Go for it, you just kicked my door in. I wouldn't even tear my grow room down. I'd be waiting on the front porch with all my doors locked with my lease in my hand.

 

[Easy Skanking]

Glad to hear that it worked out! Dealing with landlords always makes me nervous! My attitude is: If the rent is paid on time monthly, leave me the fuck alone! Unfortunately it hasn't always worked like that.

 

[Kalicokitty]

Obviously shooting someone who broke down your door is a bad idea in my shoes (as a grower.) However, let's say my landlord were to kick down my door, etc. I could in theory shoot her ass, and tear down my grow room and dispose of it before the hour is up.

That's what I'm saying, the survivor tells what happened.
My landlord kicked my door without knocking or identifying himself first, and came charging at me, I had just enough time to grab my gun and get a shot off, I didn't even realize it was my landlord till after the fact.
I feel terrible officers, but I didn't know what was happening and I was in fear for my very life.
(grow gets trashed before calling police)

Again, handle your business correctly and nothing even remotely close to that will ever go down.
Self defense as a defense(in court) is good in ALL states, just some have different ideas of what constitutes a situation in which you can use lethal force.

 

[jd4083]

That's what I'm saying, the survivor tells what happened.
My landlord kicked my door without knocking or identifying himself first, and came charging at me, I had just enough time to grab my gun and get a shot off, I didn't even realize it was my landlord till after the fact.
I feel terrible officers, but I didn't know what was happening and I was in fear for my very life.
(grow gets trashed before calling police)

Again, handle your business correctly and nothing even remotely close to that will ever go down.
Self defense as a defense(in court) is good in ALL states, just some have different ideas of what constitutes a situation in which you can use lethal force.

how long would that take, do you think? Are you really trying to play armchair lawyer and suggest that someone wait for at least a couple of hours while they clean up evidence before contacting police after shooting someone? Castle doctrine or not, that is just plain bad legal advice.

 

[Kalicokitty]

With all respect...it just doesn't work like that IF one is committing a crime (growing weed) at the same location.

Most of the above (what you wrote) is only valid if no crime is being committed.

Or in simple words, and this is a worst case scenario:

Shoot someone at your place while growing weed and see what happens after.

With all due respect back to you, you cannot go around kicking the doors in on places where crimes are being committed and expect to skate away scott free as a private citizen.
Try that little Charles Bronson routine and see what happens.
"But officer, they were committing crimes! So it was ok for me to kick in the door and assault them"
Your not going to get the medal and pat on the back from the pigs that you think you are.

 

[Kalicokitty]

how long would that take, do you think? Are you really trying to play armchair lawyer and suggest that someone wait for at least a couple of hours while they clean up evidence before contacting police after shooting someone? Castle doctrine or not, that is just plain bad legal advice.

To hack and bag?
10 minutes
Then place the call
Fuck the equipment
Just trash the plants
Pots, lights, etc..... can all stay sitting there, none of it's illegal

 

[Strainhunter]

With all due respect back to you, you cannot go around kicking the doors in on places where crimes are being committed and expect to skate away scott free as a private citizen.
Try that little Charles Bronson routine and see what happens.
"But officer, they were committing crimes! So it was ok for me to kick in the door and assault them"
Your not going to get the medal and pat on the back from the pigs that you think you are.

No no what I meant to say was getting a door kicked in (and hence defending yourself) while committing a crime (growing weed) is not going to make any grower look good in front of any judge.

 

[Kalicokitty]

Also you want to foster a good relationship with your landlord, and be seen as a responsible tenant who always pays rent 5 days before the first, and NEVER calls for maintenance on anything(something breaks, fix it yourself)
Over time they don't even worry about you anymore, after stopping by in the first few months and seeing their place is fine, and several months of getting their rent hassle free, they put you on the no mind list, and you almost never see them, they feel they don't have to worry about you.
Should something arise, polite civil discussion is the best way to go.
If that breaks down and your left with no other option, then that is when I advocate stonewalling, telling them your moving, and you do not want the place shown before your out.
The very last thing is literally saying F off to them, I meant that more in an actions kind of way then a literal statement.

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Let me quote myself here as some people are getting the wrong idea of where I'm coming from with this.
The quote is how I handle my business, and how I recommend others do, and I can't imagine my letting things spiral out of control so badly that the result is a landlord kicking in my door, it would never happen with me, I would defuse things long before it got to that point.

Basically the only point I'm trying to make outside of that is if someone other then the cops kicks your door and comes charging at you, you DO NOT have to lay there and take it just because your growing a little weed.

Anyone watch the first 48?
Look for the episode called "disaster"
Turf dispute between two crack dealers.
Ones out walking selling his crack in an area the other does not want him, so the other guy rolls up in his car and start blasting at the guy on the street, street guy hides behind a tree and starts firing back, hits and kills the other guy.
What was his charge?
Nothing, it was ruled self defense even though he was out there selling crack when it happened. Why? Because that man tried to kill him.
If someone comes to harm you you can defend yourself, regardless of what you were doing at the time.

 

[SmokinErb]

To hack and bag?
10 minutes
Then place the call
Fuck the equipment
Just trash the plants
Pots, lights, etc..... can all stay sitting there, none of it's illegal

I'm quoting this to show my roommate this post. He's been freaking out, but it's like CHILL OUT. Seriously, I can cut those plants up in 10 minutes and have 'em bagged up.

Another 10 minutes to run a shop vac through the room real good to make sure you get all the little leaves and shit.

It's not like you're gonna be re-setting anything up. Fuck what they do see, just make sure it's not illegal.

 

[SmokinErb]

Let me quote myself here as some people are getting the wrong idea of where I'm coming from with this.
The quote is how I handle my business, and how I recommend others do, and I can't imagine my letting things spiral out of control so badly that the result is a landlord kicking in my door, it would never happen with me, I would defuse things long before it got to that point.

Basically the only point I'm trying to make outside of that is if someone other then the cops kicks your door and comes charging at you, you DO NOT have to lay there and take it just because your growing a little weed.

Anyone watch the first 48?
Look for the episode called "disaster"
Turf dispute between two crack dealers.
Ones out walking selling his crack in an area the other does not want him, so the other guy rolls up in his car and start blasting at the guy on the street, street guy hides behind a tree and starts firing back, hits and kills the other guy.
What was his charge?
Nothing, it was ruled self defense even though he was out there selling crack when it happened. Why? Because that man tried to kill him.
If someone comes to harm you you can defend yourself, regardless of what you were doing at the time.

And I'm going to quote you on this, and re-emphasize on this:

The quote is how I handle my business, and how I recommend others do, and I can't imagine my letting things spiral out of control so badly that the result is a landlord kicking in my door, it would never happen with me, I would defuse things long before it got to that point.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This whole thread was me checking to make sure my PREVENTION methods were okay. Not disposal. I'll dispose of them when I feel genuinely threatened (IE: demanding entrance into locked room). As long as they're just asking, I'm fine. Demanding is another thing.